Argus Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 "Critical thinking" can also be used to argue against the continuing criminalization of marijuana which provides billions in profits to armed thugs. If we lived in isolation, you'd be correct. I would not see a lot of purpose in continuing a failed effort which returns little value. But with the US next door the cons of legalization outweigh the pros. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 I just don't see what the big deal is about registering your guns, long or short.You register your car don't you? You register your new appliances (for the warranty) don't you? What's the big deal? Some bull crap about 'the right to bear arms' without the state knowing? What about the cops' right to know when there's a domestic called in? It's a program which basically does not do what it was alleged to have been set up to do, and which has cost us two billion dollars so far, and counting. It is grossly inefficient and ineffective. What more reasons do you need? As for cops right to know - this thing only registers legal long guns, and is filled with error, so there's no way a cop, checking the registry, can have any assurance whastosever that there are or are not guns in the house somewhere. He has to act, at all times, as though there might be, regardless of what the registry says. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 Would you two uber-geeks like to be alone somewhere you can one-up each other about IT knowledge? Maybe a separate thread somewhere in a softly lit corner of Mapleleafweb where you won't be disturbed by normal people watching you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 Would you two uber-geeks like to be alone somewhere you can one-up each other about IT knowledge? Maybe a separate thread somewhere in a softly lit corner of Mapleleafweb where you won't be disturbed by normal people watching you? Objection denied....such wicky-wonky IT trivia contributed to the Gun Registry cost overruns and political failure. But don't worry, I think we are almost done. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 ha! Most major corporations/companies have long since divested themselves of internal IT shops… even when IT existed within major corporations/companies, IT was traditionally viewed as a cost center – never a core competency of the business. Whether internal or outsourced, IT at “its core simplicity” is a medium to support the business. No kidding....a "cost center"?....duh! And a major one at that. LOL! Here’s a better version of the same article… with a purdy graph for ya: same article with a purdy graph for ya Like I said, there is no shortage of comedy stories about the land when it comes to the Gun Registry. gotcha – unless you'd care to elaborate further, your comment, “Blows milk right out of a DBA's nose...snort snort!” can remain forever clouded in a veil of milk snot. No, I got you, knowing full well you would bite on the juicy "DBA" bait. It was just a reference that could apply to any "DBA". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 It's a program which basically does not do what it was alleged to have been set up to do, and which has cost us two billion dollars so far, and counting. It is grossly inefficient and ineffective. What more reasons do you need?As for cops right to know - this thing only registers legal long guns, and is filled with error, so there's no way a cop, checking the registry, can have any assurance whastosever that there are or are not guns in the house somewhere. He has to act, at all times, as though there might be, regardless of what the registry says. To me, the cops’ wishing to know is a good enough reason to improve the Registry (that is lowering its costs among others things). Quote
waldo Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 bush_cheney – sorry about being a bit delayed in replying… the team needed to pull an all-nighter (feverously coding, as you said) to keep ahead of your wascally users trying to baseline those requirements… . If nothing else you’ve proven a source of levity for the team as we’ve actually forgotten what’s it like to have to work with pompous know-nothing business types. You see, in our world, IT and our business partners view our relationship as exactly that… a partnership, one working towards mutually successful end results. this, your latest bluster, is a very weak comeback – even by your standards. So… you’re now down to uttering one-liners and throwing deflection – truly… markers of the vanquished! Snap out of it man… try to keep a modicum of dignity - if there's any left! Quote
benny Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 bush_cheney – sorry about being a bit delayed in replying… Contrary to some (mostly white) Americans, Canadians are not paranoiac about the governments they choose to elect. Quote
noahbody Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 To me, the cops’ wishing to know is a good enough reason to improve the Registry (that is lowering its costs among others things). We could just give each cop a magic 8 ball. It's just as reliable, but cheaper. Will criminals ever register their guns? All signs point to NO. Quote
benny Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 We could just give each cop a magic 8 ball. It's just as reliable, but cheaper. Will criminals ever register their guns? All signs point to NO. For motivating the cops to do their duties, a magic 8 ball is not as reliable as the Registry they are asking for. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 It does not matter what Harper does or does not do with the gun registry, same with the opinions of other policitians. There are hundreds of thousands of normally law abiding citizens who have ignored it from day one and will continue to ignore it no matter what. I know of groups of a hundred hunters with nary a single registered weapons who buy all their ammo through a single person, the spouse of one. She has negotiated a very good price becuase of volume purchases. Everybody including the cops knows the story, no action now or ever. Nobody cares, nobody gets prosecuted. Quote The government should do something.
guyser Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 It does not matter what Harper does or does not do with the gun registry, same with the opinions of other policitians. Yes it does....keep reading There are hundreds of thousands of normally law abiding citizens who have ignored it from day one and will continue to ignore it no matter what. I know of groups of a hundred hunters with nary a single registered weapons ......Nobody cares, nobody gets prosecuted. It does matter simply because it is a law on the books and can be used as a basis for a charge or series of charges , and the more, the more likely something sticks. The same is used when some people get busted for pot. It gets tacked on, thus ensuring that at least one of the charges stick. Scrap it , it never worked.However I doubt think they will. Quote
Topaz Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 IF the long guns registry was gone, it would only be a matter of time before the "bad" guys start to buy the long guns and stopped using the hand guns. Then what would the government do?? Quote
Molly Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) What?!!! That rationale doesn't cut the mustard, Topaz. You have to explain why they didn't use long guns BEFORE C68, to make it stick. (There are probably millions- yes millions- more unregistered long guns around than untracked handguns, even WITH registration in place.) Edited March 26, 2009 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
guyser Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 . Then what would the government do?? Same as now SFA. Quote
wulf42 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Posted March 26, 2009 If Harper Scraps the Gun Registry, he will alienate Eastern Canada; support for some form of control reached 71 percent in the eastern, more urban provinces of Ontario and Quebec. Really?? i am as far East as you can go in this country and all the people i know pro gun or not... think the long gun registry is a joke and completely unwarranted considering all the gun violence here is done with Handguns! Quote
guyser Posted March 26, 2009 Report Posted March 26, 2009 Really?? i am as far East as you can go in this country Arent you considered 'down East' ? It is a frequent reference to say out East, meaning Ontario....ok ok Toronto , but then again, this is the centre of the univ.....oh I better not. Quote
wulf42 Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 Arent you considered 'down East' ? It is a frequent reference to say out East, meaning Ontario....ok ok Toronto , but then again, this is the centre of the univ.....oh I better not. lol.......you may be right on that one, i have heard people say down East often.........i used to hate when good Rock bands say they were going to tour Eastern Canada and stop at Montreal! Quote
Argus Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 To me, the cops’ wishing to know is a good enough reason to improve the Registry (that is lowering its costs among others things). You will never be able to assure a cop as to whether a gun is in the house or not. Never. Access to illegal firearms is too easy, and the laws against smuggling, selling, and owning illegal weapons are virtually useless and largely not even enforced. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 IF the long guns registry was gone, it would only be a matter of time before the "bad" guys start to buy the long guns and stopped using the hand guns. Then what would the government do?? Is that meant to be ironic sarcasm? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 Yes it does....keep readingIt does matter simply because it is a law on the books and can be used as a basis for a charge or series of charges , and the more, the more likely something sticks. It is an unenforceable law which brings laws into disrepute and disrespect. The fact it serves no useful purpose only makes it more irritating how the unthinking sheep cling to it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wild Bill Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 It is an unenforceable law which brings laws into disrepute and disrespect. The fact it serves no useful purpose only makes it more irritating how the unthinking sheep cling to it. Reminds me of another law to do with marijuana... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
benny Posted March 28, 2009 Report Posted March 28, 2009 You will never be able to assure a cop as to whether a gun is in the house or not. Never. Access to illegal firearms is too easy, and the laws against smuggling, selling, and owning illegal weapons are virtually useless and largely not even enforced. Cops reassure themselves when they obtain what they ask for (that is, in the present case, the Registry). Quote
Argus Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 Cops reassure themselves when they obtain what they ask for (that is, in the present case, the Registry). That is an unthinkingly stupid statement. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Molly Posted March 29, 2009 Report Posted March 29, 2009 Guyser and Wulf... the one that annoys me is that 'Central Canada' is about as physically central to Canada as Pluto is to our solar system, entirely south of the southernmost edge of most of the country, and its westernmost edge more than a thousand miles east of the actual centre. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
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