madmax Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) I want to see George Galloway return to Canada. He is already taking pot shots from Ignatieff, who like Stephen Harper supported the War on Iraq. But Ignatieff likes to throw insults while he defends the right for someone to come into the country. Apparently according to Ignatieff, everything Mr. Galloway says is a lie, or he never has believed a word out of Mr Galloways mouth, or he Never has agreed with Mr. Galloway, (Take your pick), but he does defend his right to come here. I am hardly afraid of George Galloway, nor do I consider him a threat to our country. And yes, I would be hard pressed to believe the security nonsense that his being drummed up. Do I have to agree with George Galloway? No, but I certainly don't have to put up tactics used by the former USSR and Communist China to deny people the right to speak, especially someone never convicted of anything as far as I know.... Just in case, check wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway Galloway is a controversial person. Wiki spells out quite clearly the ups downs and arounds of Galloway. And while we can judge Galloway on his comments, call them outrageous, ignorant, rude, stupid, or brilliant, intelligent, smart, or with conviction, all would apply to this person. Banning him from the country only makes Canada look rediculous to the rest of the world. Galloway is despicable but.... Banning Brit a clumsy and dangerous move Here are some comments by Galloway http://www.thedailyobserver.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1489176 Some of the things British MP George Galloway has said: "I have met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him. The difference is that Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and to give him maps the better to target those guns." Giving evidence before the U. S. Senate in May 2005 on whether he received any money from Saddam's regime. "Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability, and I want you to know that we are with you." Giving a personal address to Saddam Hussein in Iraq -- January 1994. "I would rather be eating cheese and reading Sartre on the banks of the Seine any day than eat popcorn with a Bible-bashing fundamentalist Republican from Texas." Speaking to a reporter from Scotland's Sunday Herald about American anti-French sentiment in the lead up to the Iraq war -- February 2003. "I came to declare that I am a friend to Arabs, at a time when it is not easy to be a friend to Arabs, because nowadays those who have ambitions and interests would not befriend Arabs." Speaking to Britain's Daily Star from Lebanon -- August 2005. "I'm amazed that so many people in Canada believe they're not a part of this crime." I believe we just gave a British Parlimentary member more press then he ever could have drummed up himself if he had been allowed to come to Canada as he has come here many times and virtually few people ever knew or heard about his "lectures". Now Galloway receives world wide coverage, and Canada is going to have to explain to the rest of the world including the UK where he sits as a member of parliment, just why he is a threat to national security. Edited March 21, 2009 by madmax Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I am hardly afraid of George Galloway, nor do I consider him a threat to our country. And yes, I would be hard pressed to believe the security nonsense that his being drummed up. And while we can judge Galloway on his comments, call them outrageous, ignorant, rude, stupid, or brilliant, intelligent, smart, or with conviction, all would apply to this person. Banning him from the country only makes Canada look rediculous to the rest of the world. I agree. The whole thing has come off as rather silly. I wonder if he's now on the terrorist watch list. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
capricorn Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I wonder if he's now on the terrorist watch list. If he's not, he should be. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
ToadBrother Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 If he's not, he should be. What I can't figure out is why anyone gives a damn. Yeah, so the guy's an apologist for goons and lunatics, but come on, what's next, deny Noam Chomsky entry? Twerps like Galloway are only as potent as we make them. He's just a bloody backbencher. Quote
capricorn Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 What I can't figure out is why anyone gives a damn. Oh come on Toad. You know darned well why. This has been turned into a free speech issue by Conservatives bashers. It's another opportunity to point fingers at the big bad Tories who are killing free speech and embarrassing the country. He's just a bloody backbencher. I don't care about his parliamentary standing. Galloway has been deemed to be in contravention of our laws. If this were not the case, as much as I think he is despicable, I would defend his right to free speech in Canada and elsewhere. The irony is that if any one of us publicly said half of the hateful things he says, we'd be hauled in front of the Human Rights Commission. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
normanchateau Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 This has been turned into a free speech issue by Conservatives bashers. Wasn't it Stephen Harper who used "free speech" as his rationale for voting against Bill C-250, the legislation which made it a hate crime to promote or advocate the murder of homosexuals? If Harper can use free speech to advocate for his Evangelical Christian homophobic beliefs, why can't his critics use free speech for their purposes? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 What is this some sort of gang land turf war - what happened did Galloway "dis" someone...? How childish - any person in a free nation should be able to say what he pleases - with out the threat of boycott - phyisical assault or conersive intimidation by anymeans - Let's bar George W - for telling fibs...or maybe Madonna for practicing cabalist witchcraft and insulting Christ repeatedly/ Quote
normanchateau Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 any person in a free nation should be able to say what he pleases - So you think M.T. should have not been charged with a crime? See below: http://www.thestar.com/Unassigned/article/606068 Is advocating or encouraging murder not a crime in your opinion? Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 big bad Tories who are killing free speech and embarrassing the country. Excellent point. However, I think Kenney is again only stirring up hatred where there should be none. Mr. Galloway is not a threat to Canadians, and is certainly not the first person to empathize with the innocent victims in Afghanistan and Palestine. This will once again create rallies and protests, pitting Jewish and Arab Canadians against one another, while the rest of us may be forced to choose sides. Does Mr. Galloway have a rockstar status in Canada? Or at least did he before Kenney gave him such a status. How many would have even listened to him if Kenney hadn't introduced him to us. Galloway kept at bay Yesterday, Galloway was quick to fire off an angry salvo at Kenney, saying "this idiotic ban shames Canada." In a column in Britain's Guardian to be published today, he goes even further. "Kenney is quite a card -- almost a joker in fact. He's a ... gung-ho armchair warrior, with an odd habit of exceeding his immigration brief." "While on one level being banned by such a man is like being told to sit up straight by the Hunchback of Notre Dame ... On another ... for a Scotsman, to be excluded from Canada is like being turned away from the family home." Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said Galloway should be allowed into Canada unless the government can prove he poses a threat. "If he's being barred on free speech grounds, that's an outrage," Ignatieff said. "I mean he can come to Canada and talk rubbish all day long as far as I'm concerned. (But) if there is a security threat, that's another matter." He's not bringing any Hamas members with him and hopefully Kenney won't allow members of the Terrorist Israeli Defense Forces into this country. They may pose a threat, but a British MP who dares to speak out on issues that this gov't doesn't agree with is ridiculous. What about Anne Coulter? Is she on the list? She wanted the US to level Canada. Jason Kenney needs to be fired, gagged or put in a straitjacket. He has completely lost touch with reality. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Wasn't it Stephen Harper who used "free speech" as his rationale for voting against Bill C-250, the legislation which made it a hate crime to promote or advocate the murder of homosexuals? If Harper can use free speech to advocate for his Evangelical Christian homophobic beliefs, why can't his critics use free speech for their purposes? Excellent point. Carrying signs like 'God Hate Fags' or 'When a homo dies, God smiles.' are not hateful at all and pose no threats to Gays and Lesbians. Making this such a public issue only reminds Canadians just how narrow minded this gov't is. Fake a security threat from the Russians then ban the Brits. Good job. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 So you think M.T. should have not been charged with a crime? See below:http://www.thestar.com/Unassigned/article/606068 Is advocating or encouraging murder not a crime in your opinion? oooooh I did not know that part - if he is deseminating ideas that encourage murder - then he has convicted himself...I do not know the details of this matter but it's simple to me - That this type affair is very similar to breaching the crimminal code...and does constitute a threat. Threatening is breaking the law...so if what you tell me is true...then block the sob..........so who does he want to murder and who is he encouageing to murder..Is it an individual or a group...and does this individual or group deserve retaliation or are they totally innocent? Perhaps Mr. Galloway would be happy with a public reprimand of the badly behaved if that is the case? Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 What is this some sort of gang land turf war - what happened did Galloway "dis" someone...? How childish - any person in a free nation should be able to say what he pleases - with out the threat of boycott - phyisical assault or conersive intimidation by anymeans - Let's bar George W - for telling fibs...or maybe Madonna for practicing cabalist witchcraft and insulting Christ repeatedly/ Oleg ... keep this to yourself because it is absolute top secret stuff ... are you ready? Mr. Galloway has an opinion and is under the mistaken belief that he is allowed to voice it. Shhhh. I think I've been wiretapped. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
kuzadd Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Canada is a pathetic toady country. The JDL is blocking free speech of Canadians They have no right to dictate policy for the rest of Canada. Galloway belongs in Canada giving speeches to those who want to hear them!!!! Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Oleg ... keep this to yourself because it is absolute top secret stuff ... are you ready? Mr. Galloway has an opinion and is under the mistaken belief that he is allowed to voice it. Shhhh. I think I've been wiretapped. Okay - so you are nuts? Wait - there is a big black silent helicopter outside the window --- I have to get the long stick and hand the boys some coffee...back in a bit ----- do me a favour ---send more tin foil - my hat has worn itself out... Opinions are theory...so this guy has a theory does he...? What about facts - does he have any of those - or are facts censored as well as speculative thought? Quote
Shady Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 If he's gonna support terrorist organizations, then he's got to live with the consequences. And why would he want to come to this disgusting western imperialistic country anyways? I'm sure he'd have a much better time in one of the many free and progressive countries in the middle east, like say Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran or Syria. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 If he's gonna support terrorist organizations, then he's got to live with the consequences. And why would he want to come to this disgusting western imperialistic country anyways? I'm sure he'd have a much better time in one of the many free and progressive countries in the middle east, like say Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran or Syria. If Galloway really had true creative smarts he would find a way to be friends with BOTH sides of the semite family - Arab and Jew - that would make him a peace maker - instead it seems he is just a common trouble maker - not clever or good enough to do real good. Terrorist orgainizations need educations and if Galloway really cares so much let him go to Israel and speak - then to Saudi - and Syria ---but he won't because it's easier to carve out a niche` by being advesarial - That would make him the typical selve serving parasite...seem everyone wants to be famous but no one wants to truely work for it....If he believes in a cause let him put his life on the line...but he won't because as I mentioned....haters are cowards. Not that I have read the material..but I get the jist. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Opinions are theory...so this guy has a theory does he...? What about facts - does he have any of those - or are facts censored as well as speculative thought? I'm not sure, but apparently Canada no longer allows free thinkers. You get put on a list. I hadn't even heard of this Galloway person before Kenney made him a star. Now I want to invite him for tea. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Canada is a pathetic toady country.The JDL is blocking free speech of Canadians They have no right to dictate policy for the rest of Canada. Galloway belongs in Canada giving speeches to those who want to hear them!!!! Exactly. Just when I thought this gov't had hit bottom with the whole Russian threat scam ... apparently not. Are we being punked? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Shady Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I'm not sure, but apparently Canada no longer allows free thinkers. You get put on a list. I hadn't even heard of this Galloway person before Kenney made him a star. Now I want to invite him for tea. Nice try. But it's not about his "thinking", it's about his doing. Like supporting terrorist organizations. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 If he's gonna support terrorist organizations, then he's got to live with the consequences. And why would he want to come to this disgusting western imperialistic country anyways? I'm sure he'd have a much better time in one of the many free and progressive countries in the middle east, like say Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran or Syria. Feeling empathy for the Palestine people and offering relief does not make you a member of, or supporter of, terrorists. Why do you think the Palestine people were so desperate that they saw Hamas as the only gov't who could get them out of the horrible restrictions imposed on them by Israel? We created Hamas for not helping sooner and giving them an option. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 If Galloway really had true creative smarts he would find a way to be friends with BOTH sides of the semite family - Arab and Jew - The problem is that most of the western world has already taken the side of Israel (this is not about Arab and Jew. It's about two nations at war) Someone with even an ounce of humanitarian compassion would send relief to the people of Palestine. The world has turned their backs on them, just like they did with the Jews under Hitler, until it was too late. They created Hitler and we created Hamas. The people had nowhere else to turn. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Wilber Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I really don't care whether he comes here or not but the man is not a Canadian, he has no "right" to come here and say anything he wants just as a Canadian has no "right" to go to any other country and say what they want. Only Canadians have the "right" to exercise free speech in Canada, it is a privilege that we may or may not chose to extend to others, who can also be fired out of the country on their cans should we so chose. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Shakeyhands Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Nice try. But it's not about his "thinking", it's about his doing. Like supporting terrorist organizations. By delivering aid? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Progressive Tory Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I really don't care whether he comes here or not but the man is not a Canadian, he has no "right" to come here and say anything he wants just as a Canadian has no "right" to go to any other country and say what they want. Only Canadians have the "right" to exercise free speech in Canada, it is a privilege that we may or may not chose to extend to others, who can also be fired out of the country on their cans should we so chose. If he came here and stood on a soapbox rallying to kill all Jews, he would be arrested. We would too if we tried the same thing in England. Was he not visiting here on another matter, but the fact that he empathizes with the victims of war, now all of a sudden he's a hate monger. I'm pretty sure we can say what we want in the UK so long as it isn't geared to incite hatred for any group. Chalk another one up for our new fascist government. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
DogOnPorch Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Progressive Tory: They created Hitler and we created Hamas. The people had nowhere else to turn. Modern Palestinian Arab leadership still carries the influence of Mohammad Amin al-Husayni around like a lead weight. It's like a loose end of WW2 that never got wrapped-up. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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