Alta4ever Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 You aren't against minimum wage laws? Do I need a cite for that? You turn to play this game. I want a site to back up your claim that tories want o role back labour laws for child labour. Where is your proof? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
benny Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) The workers have rights, their rights are outlined in legisation that was set forth by the government elected by the people that would include these workers. Don't ever pretend that the workers rights aren't protected, and that they have choices. They have all these things, unions exist now for one thing and one thing only power and greed.The day workers tried to extort money from me would be the day all of their jobs ended the business owuld be shut down and the assets liquidated. Nobody would hold me hositage. If my money started the business I took on the financial risk, not the union, they could the ban together and buy the assetts restart the business, or find new jobs. They can try to extort someone else with this type of legalized organized crime. Unions are simply means by which capitalists and workers are forced to discuss and negotiate over their respective sacrifices (mainly the insecurity of taking risks in the case of businesspeople and the disagreeableness of expending physical and/or mental energies for workers). I cannot think of a more healthy discussion when it comes to searching for economic efficiency. Edited March 18, 2009 by benny Quote
Smallc Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 Ford gas trucks are absoulute shite, they are the most inefficient truck on the road right now. As a person who actually knows a great deal about the industry, I'll ignore that... Quote
Moonbox Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 Unions are simply means by which capitalists and workers are forced to discuss and negotiate over their respective sacrifices (mainly the insecurity of taking risks in the case of businesspeople and the disagreeableness of expending physical and/or mental energies for workers). I cannot think of a more healthy discussion when it comes to searching for economic efficiency. It's a bad situation because it takes the market and future prospects out of the equation. Union contracts are based on things like past/current corporate profits. There's never a long term view on things. You've got CEO's concerned with short term profits and union members making demands on past performance and it's a perfect recipe for an inflexible and miscalculating system. The proof is in the pudding/auto industry. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
benny Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 It's a bad situation because it takes the market and future prospects out of the equation. Union contracts are based on things like past/current corporate profits. There's never a long term view on things. You've got CEO's concerned with short term profits and union members making demands on past performance and it's a perfect recipe for an inflexible and miscalculating system. The proof is in the pudding/auto industry. The problems of the auto industry are related to consumers’ credit current unavailability and to problems related to the type of fuel cars are currently using. I think that these problems can be solved only by organizing consumers unions as a direct extension of workers unions. Quote
jdobbin Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Posted March 18, 2009 I want a site to back up your claim that tories want o role back labour laws for child labour. Where did I say that? Quote
benny Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Chrysler to pull out of Canada!? Just say thanks and goodbye. We Canadians are not desperate enough to be sour about that. Edited March 18, 2009 by benny Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 This country has gone to hell and a hand basket since they stopped letting children work in the mines. Is it? If you get rid of all safety and labour laws as some Tories want, you can pretty much do anything. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Posted March 18, 2009 I'm afraid I didn't say anything about Tories advocating for children in the mines. The quotes you show indicate as much. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 I'm afraid I didn't say anything about Tories advocating for children in the mines. The quotes you show indicate as much. Where is the proof that tories wan to reverse the safety and labour laws. Are Child labour laws not part of the labour laws? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Posted March 19, 2009 Where is the proof that tories wan to reverse the safety and labour laws. Stelmach has pretty adamant about reversing many labour laws. Bill 26. Are Child labour laws not part of the labour laws? In 2005, Alberta changed the law to allow children as young as 12 years old to work. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Stelmach has pretty adamant about reversing many labour laws. Bill 26.In 2005, Alberta changed the law to allow children as young as 12 years old to work. This Bill 26 http://www.assembly.ab.ca/bills/2009/pdf/bill-026.pdf I doubt you will find anything on labour laws in a wildlife act. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
punked Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 This Bill 26http://www.assembly.ab.ca/bills/2009/pdf/bill-026.pdf I doubt you will find anything on labour laws in a wildlife act. Good redirect I think he means bill 26 of 2008 you know the Labour Relations Ammendment Act. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Good redirect I think he means bill 26 of 2008 you know the Labour Relations Ammendment Act. Well then he should have specified the 2008 amendment. Which did not role labour rights back, it main change was that it was required for a construction worker work for 30 days before the right to vote in a unionization vote. It was an improvement of labour rights. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
punked Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Well then he should have specified the 2008 amendment. Which did not role labour rights back, it main change was that it was required for a construction worker work for 30 days before the right to vote in a unionization vote. It was an improvement of labour rights. I dont think he thought you would think "bill 26 about labour. He must mean that bill about wildlife." Clearly his mistake not holding your hand through it. Quote
waldo Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 This Bill 26http://www.assembly.ab.ca/bills/2009/pdf/bill-026.pdf I doubt you will find anything on labour laws in a wildlife act. lil' help for the Alta dude... - restricting new employees of a construction company from participating in a union organizing drive for the first 30 days of employment— huh! freedom of association... what freedom of association? Nice! - a 90-day reconsideration window by employees following a certification... hmmm... cause you want to ensure employers are given an opportunity to turn a certification around. Nice! so... ya, I'd say those are a couple of examples of Stelmach wanting to mess with labor laws. You're welcome. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) lil' help for the Alta dude...- restricting new employees of a construction company from participating in a union organizing drive for the first 30 days of employment— huh! freedom of association... what freedom of association? Nice! - a 90-day reconsideration window by employees following a certification... hmmm... cause you want to ensure employers are given an opportunity to turn a certification around. Nice! so... ya, I'd say those are a couple of examples of Stelmach wanting to mess with labor laws. You're welcome. I fail to see how that i a role back of safety requlation which is what dobbin was talking about. This is amending unionization rules, not sure how that effectsworker safety. Laws weren't reversed either as dobbin suggests, but things were amended a big difference. So were rights removed not, were the rules regarding how those rights are used and administered yes. So please lets see a something that was reversed in that act. Edited March 19, 2009 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
waldo Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 I fail to see how that i a role back of safety requlation which is what dobbin was talking about. This is amending unionization rules, not sure how that effectsworker safety. Where is the proof that tories wan to reverse the safety and labour laws. you're welcome... again Quote
jdobbin Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Posted March 19, 2009 I fail to see how that i a role back of safety requlation which is what dobbin was talking about. This is amending unionization rules, not sure how that effectsworker safety. Think you'll see I said labour laws as well. Quote
punked Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 I fail to see how that i a role back of safety requlation which is what dobbin was talking about. This is amending unionization rules, not sure how that effectsworker safety.Laws weren't reversed either as dobbin suggests, but things were amended a big difference. So were rights removed not, were the rules regarding how those rights are used and administered yes. So please lets see a something that was reversed in that act. Again redirect he spoke of changing work age to 12 and you refuse to address that. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 you're welcome... again So you are prepaired to show where a peice of that legislation was reversed to a prior wording, or taking a right away? What was done in it was an amendment, someone with such reading comprehension should be able to figure this out. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Again redirect he spoke of changing work age to 12 and you refuse to address that. Its also important to note that such a change does create a safety issue. Quote
waldo Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 So you are prepaired to show where a peice of that legislation was reversed to a prior wording, or taking a right away? What was done in it was an amendment, someone with such reading comprehension should be able to figure this out. google the definition of amendment... sorry, no help for you this time. Try it - google is your friend. Quote
punked Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Its also important to note that such a change does create a safety issue. Agreed but Alta wont address he has decided to ignore that fact and attack bill 26. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Again redirect he spoke of changing work age to 12 and you refuse to address that. Kids at 12 years of age have always been allowed to work, why do i need to address that, what was changed in 2005 was their ablity to work in restraunts. It has always and will always require parental consent. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
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