Conservatives Mislead on in budget

[punked]

This is stupid the Cons hide this shit in the bill so later on they can blame the Liberals for hurting average people when really it is their own "mom is the word" mentality which does this. "Come on guys the longer they sit on this bill to review it the more we can blame for it."

The fucking Liberals don't even know what is in he budget apparently. Someone should hav caught this a long time ago, I don't care how long it is as soon as it comes out you as a MP split the bill up and hand it out and get it read if you have too, although you should read the thing yourself.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/politics/home

Edited March 13, 2009 by punked

[madmax]

I am not certain what you are complaining about. Ignatieff doesn't care about the Unemployed worker anymore then Stephen Harper. This is politics, and they are Using the Unemployed as an excuse to pass a budget that by many standards is an economic basket case, attached to partisan hack measures the Liberals were going to protect the public from.

Not so, the only thing the Liberals were ever interested in fighting for, was their entitlement to the public purse.

Hell, the LPC are the ones that should the Conservatives how to steal money from EI.

These people, these elitist MPs receiving their entitlements while hundreds of thousands receive the pink slip, couldn't give a tinkers damn about Job losses.

The LPC and CPC didn't care before the election, why would they now?

[DrGreenthumb]

I am not certain what you are complaining about. Ignatieff doesn't care about the Unemployed worker anymore then Stephen Harper. This is politics, and they are Using the Unemployed as an excuse to pass a budget that by many standards is an economic basket case, attached to partisan hack measures the Liberals were going to protect the public from.

Not so, the only thing the Liberals were ever interested in fighting for, was their entitlement to the public purse.

Hell, the LPC are the ones that should the Conservatives how to steal money from EI.

These people, these elitist MPs receiving their entitlements while hundreds of thousands receive the pink slip, couldn't give a tinkers damn about Job losses.

The LPC and CPC didn't care before the election, why would they now?

That's why I voted NDP and will continue to do so. Only the New Democrats have working class' best interests in mind. It is Jack Layton that goes to bat for the average joe in this country, and its high time that Canadians gave the NDP a chance to govern for the people. It's no coincidence that after 10 years of NDP rule in Manitoba that we are weathering the economic storm far better than the Conservative and Liberal provinces. Gary Doer is a man of the people, and will do what is best for all of us.

[OddSox]

That's why I voted NDP and will continue to do so. Only the New Democrats have working class' best interests in mind. It is Jack Layton that goes to bat for the average joe in this country, and its high time that Canadians gave the NDP a chance to govern for the people. It's no coincidence that after 10 years of NDP rule in Manitoba that we are weathering the economic storm far better than the Conservative and Liberal provinces. Gary Doer is a man of the people, and will do what is best for all of us.

Hmm, the Federal NDP just introduced/passed a motion in the House, proposing some major reforms to Employment Insurance. They sound pretty good - but nobody seems to want to talk about how to pay for them...we're talking 10's of billions of $$$

[edit] Oh wait, we'll charge the big corporations like Chrysler more taxes and everything will be fine - except Chrysler isn't paying their taxes now, and appear to have no plans on paying in the future no matter what the rate. That's okay though, there's lots more big corporations where they came from, aren't there?. [/edit]

- Eliminate the two-week waiting period to start receiving benefits.

- Lower the qualifying period to 360 hours of paid work in every part of the country. Under current rules, an applicant in Toronto needs 665 hours. That excludes 78 per cent of the jobless.

- Allow self-employed workers to participate in the program.

- Raise the wage replacement rate from 55 per cent to 60 per cent.

- Make it easier for workers to get training.

http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/601454

Edited March 13, 2009 by OddSox

[M.Dancer]

Far from misleading the house, as the interview with Ted Menzies makes clear that it was the incompetence from the rookie leader of the Liberals as the ROB story makes clear...

Not a story I would want widely distributed if I was a Liberal strategist...

[punked]

Far from misleading the house, as the interview with Ted Menzies makes clear that it was the incompetence from the rookie leader of the Liberals as the ROB story makes clear...

Not a story I would want widely distributed if I was a Liberal strategist...

It makes both parties look like a-holes

[madmax]

Hmm, the Federal NDP just introduced/passed a motion in the House, proposing some major reforms to Employment Insurance. They sound pretty good - but nobody seems to want to talk about how to pay for them...we're talking 10's of billions of $$$

EI was paid into and services were cut, and the $56 Billion dollars in Surplus were squandered be consecutive Liberal and Conservative governments.

The question is for the government to provide the funding to support EI now that it is needed, more then any other time in the past 30 years. The Expansion of EI is absolutely necessary, and regardless of the NDP position, EI will be expanded. Small reforms are already occurring. As each person is laid off after 25 years of working, they are asking themselves, "What the hell happened to EI"? Yes they are mad as hell, and the facts aren't hard to find.

Sure taking the EI money was legal. Sure it is a bit like stealing from the poor.

But if EI ran a 56Billion surplus in good times, then it will run a deficit in bad times. Future EI revenues should NOT be used for services outside the provisions of EI.

That is where the money is going to come from. The same place it has always come from. The same source that ran the surplus.

[OddSox]

That is where the money is going to come from. The same place it has always come from. The same source that ran the surplus.

Regardless of whose fault it was, that money is gone. Once again, who is going to pay for it?

[Alta4ever]

This is stupid the Cons hide this shit in the bill so later on they can blame the Liberals for hurting average people when really it is their own "mom is the word" mentality which does this. "Come on guys the longer they sit on this bill to review it the more we can blame for it."

The fucking Liberals don't even know what is in he budget apparently. Someone should hav caught this a long time ago, I don't care how long it is as soon as it comes out you as a MP split the bill up and hand it out and get it read if you have too, although you should read the thing yourself.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/politics/home

Spin spin spin....don't get too dizzy.

[madmax]

Regardless of whose fault it was, that money is gone. Once again, who is going to pay for it?

Check your T4...

[punked]

Regardless of whose fault it was, that money is gone. Once again, who is going to pay for it?

I pay a lot into EI every 2 weeks. I think there is still money there

Edited March 13, 2009 by punked

[jdobbin]

That's why I voted NDP and will continue to do so.

But where is Jack Layton? He is hardly seen nowadays.

Gary Doer is a man of the people, and will do what is best for all of us.

Doer is a populist but his government is risk adverse for the most part.

He has benefitted from transfer payments the last 10 years. I worry that if we see cutbacks again in the next year or so that we have no buffer against it.

[punked]

But where is Jack Layton? He is hardly seen nowadays.

Doer is a populist but his government is risk adverse for the most part.

He has benefitted from transfer payments the last 10 years. I worry that if we see cutbacks again in the next year or so that we have no buffer against it.

The NDP don;t got anyone in the senate so it is hard to pin this on them in anyway.

[jdobbin]

The NDP don;t got anyone in the senate so it is hard to pin this on them in anyway.

I am asking where Layton and the NDP are. Why would the Senate matter?

Layton is next to invisible lately.

[madmax]

The NDP don;t got anyone in the senate so it is hard to pin this on them in anyway.

EI isn't going to be extended to those already on a claim. People believe that if they are collecting EI they are getting back the 5 weeks that were clawed back. They are not. The budget could have created the 5 extra weeks for anyone with a claim in 2009.

The article puts the Liberals and Conservatives in a bad light. THe gamesmanship and partisan crap continues while Canada bleeds jobs permanently.

People who are working aren't paying much attention, so that is 90% of the population. Of the 10% unemployed, or going to be unemployed (See projections), most don't know what the Senate is or isn't doing.

[jdobbin]

The article puts the Liberals and Conservatives in a bad light. THe gamesmanship and partisan crap continues while Canada bleeds jobs permanently.

It does put both in bad light.

As Don Newman and others in the media pointed out yesterday, it was not entirely clear about the EI portion of the budget in any statement made by the government. However, it was written down in overall tabled bill but not in any of the two highlighted documents that the Tories distributed.

Everyone was saying, including the media, that debate on the bill has plenty of time because no money could be spent to April 1. Even Newman said the press gallery was surprised when they heard differently.

The Liberals should have spotted this earlier on and the Tories shouldn't have buried it. On Monday, Flaherty could say for sure when it was implemented and had to ask an aide.

It is gamesmanship.

The budget was going to pass because no one wanted an election and there was no stomach for a coalition on the part of the Liberals. The political parties should do their jobs.

[madmax]

Regardless of whose fault it was, that money is gone. Once again, who is going to pay for it?

Prior to 1990 the Government contributed to EI. Since the Government has taken the surpluses put in by employees and employers the Government should have tailored the budget to address this theft and get the money back into EI where it belongs.

EI surpluses of several billion dollars per year, which were added to general government revenue. The cumulative EI surplus stood at $54.4 billion at March 31, 2007, about three times as high as necessary. This drew criticism from Opposition parties and from business and labour groups, and has remained a central issue of the Bloc Québécois. The Conservative Party, after espousing such criticism while in opposition, chose not to take any action after being elected in 2006.

The Conservatives share in the hypocrisy.

[Oleg Bach]

The conservatives who are controled by the banks are not about to hand over bail out packages to upper middle management who were lazy stupid and greedy..why reward them for bad behavour? The conservartives are not misleading anyone on the budget - they are just being frugal - and attempting to maintain the status quo. Liberals and their leftist buddies just want some free cash - and they will attack the banks to get it - I say shooo - money will not solve their problems at this point. A change of heart and maybe people like Layton and Ignatieff should toss out their worn copy of Carl Marx and think for themselves for a change.

[madmax]

The conservatives who are controled by the banks are not about to hand over bail out packages to upper middle management who were lazy stupid and greedy..why reward them for bad behavour?

Harper has bailed out his banking and corporate friends. The Conservatives will continue to do so.

The conservartives are not misleading anyone on the budget - they are just being frugal - and attempting to maintain the status quo.

The Conservative budget is anything but frugal. This is pork heaven, with a few partisan shots.

Karl Marx is alive and well in the Conservative Camp.

It is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. Its' the big fat pigs that get up to the trough.

[Alta4ever]

The conservatives who are controled by the banks are not about to hand over bail out packages to upper middle management who were lazy stupid and greedy..why reward them for bad behavour? The conservartives are not misleading anyone on the budget - they are just being frugal - and attempting to maintain the status quo. Liberals and their leftist buddies just want some free cash - and they will attack the banks to get it - I say shooo - money will not solve their problems at this point. A change of heart and maybe people like Layton and Ignatieff should toss out their worn copy of Carl Marx and think for themselves for a change.

Again another great post.

[Alta4ever]

Harper has bailed out his banking and corporate friends. The Conservatives will continue to do so.

The Conservative budget is anything but frugal. This is pork heaven, with a few partisan shots.

Karl Marx is alive and well in the Conservative Camp.

It is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. Its' the big fat pigs that get up to the trough.

What banker friends...I always have seen liberal banking friends. Power corp anyone.

[waldo]

Far from misleading the house, as the interview with Ted Menzies makes clear that it was the incompetence from the rookie leader of the Liberals as the ROB story makes clear...

Not a story I would want widely distributed if I was a Liberal strategist...

and Don Newman eviscerated the Ted Menzies claim that he'd been absolutely forthright in earlier describing the 'hidden' Conservative fine print..... fine print that, apparently no one else recognized... not the Liberals, not the NDP, not the BQ, not the Press Gallery, not the mainstream media, not blogworld, not even the Conservative Senators who agreed to the Senate schedule. As already stated, Flaherty couldn't even describe the particulars and needed to go to a gopher for assistance.

ya ya, let's deflect and make this an issue all about those aforementioned incompetents who didn't manage to root out the Harper Conservative dirty trick earlier. Far be it from any partisan hack to actually acknowledge the real salient point => exactly why did/would the Harper Conservatives construct such an odd formulation for the start date of extended EI premiums... then, effectively, bury the date and avoid reinforcing its significance.

Exactly - why? Certainly not an answer I would want widely distributed if I was a Conservative strategist...

[Progressive Tory]

What banker friends...I always have seen liberal banking friends. Power corp anyone.

Yes Paul Martin was involved with Power Corp., but so were the Conservatives

The Desmarais Family of Power Corp.

Paul Desmarais Sr. $ 5,000.00 / his wife Jacqueline $ 5,000.00/ Their Son Paul Jr. $ 5,000.00 / His Wife Helene $ 5,000.00 and their son Paul Guy Jr. $ 5,000.00

$ 25,000.00 from the Power Corp. Desmarais family to the Conservative party of Canada. Not bad, or were they all $ 10.00 donations skimmed from their grocery money? Poor family.

[Keepitsimple]

That's why I voted NDP and will continue to do so. Only the New Democrats have working class' best interests in mind. It is Jack Layton that goes to bat for the average joe in this country, and its high time that Canadians gave the NDP a chance to govern for the people. It's no coincidence that after 10 years of NDP rule in Manitoba that we are weathering the economic storm far better than the Conservative and Liberal provinces. Gary Doer is a man of the people, and will do what is best for all of us.

Jack Layton is no Gary Doer.

[Smallc]

Jack Layton is no Gary Doer.

I don't think you could be more right.