Topaz Posted March 1, 2009 Report Posted March 1, 2009 The Tories can stand being civil and so this past week they started their personal attacks on the new Lib. leader and now in the news, they are saying they are going on the "attack" against the Lib leader. They got what they wanted from him, to pass the budget and now they are throwing him away just like they did with the other two opposition leader, "used and abused" !!!! Now some may say this is smart politics but I say it just shows exactly the character of the Tories and how mean spirited and low these guys will go. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090301/...ies_tackle_iggy Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 1, 2009 Report Posted March 1, 2009 If a member of a body that is Parliment - who's job it is to generate and maintain civilized society - is poorly behaved and destructive to that process - then they should either be intelligent and seek logical mutual co-operation in order to attain and preserve civilization - and - if they can not do that - they should spare us the embarassment and step down or out of the room untill they gather their senses and remember why they are there. Quote
Muddy Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Since when has parliament been civil? Not since TV entered the room thats how long. All sides of the house have for years have been playing to the cameras. Remember the Liberal Rat Pack as they proudly called themselves! No ! This is not anything new. This is not a CP invention. Quote
KingIggy Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 It's the Cons, just like like the Repubs, who always INITIATE the negative attack ads. Only blind Neo-Cons don't see this. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 it just shows exactly the character of the Tories Tories, character? Where do they keep it? This just shows how desperate they are. Canadians thought Stockwell Day was an idiot with his whole man roaming with donosaurs things, wait til they see him try to make 4 + 5 = 30. Is that in the Bible? Old testament math perhaps. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Since when has parliament been civil? Not since TV entered the room thats how long. All sides of the house have for years have been playing to the cameras. Remember the Liberal Rat Pack as they proudly called themselves! No ! This is not anything new. This is not a CP invention. The difference is that Harper promised co-operation and working with the Opposition to help get us out of this economic mess. They are only now revealing their priorities, and they sure aien't us. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Keepitsimple Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) Moved.... Edited March 2, 2009 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) So.....nothing's happened yet - let's just see if any criticisms of Ignatieff are based on facts. They are using his books and lectures. Most politicians wait until they are out of office before publishing their memoirs (Harper is currently working on his). For Ignatieff he is somewhat vulnerable because of the vast amount of his published works that span several decades, with varying opinions that change with the times. When Harper's hate speech surfaced, he defended it by saying that he wrote it as a private citizen. Harper speech resurfaces mid-campaign "He also tells the Americans "your country, and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world." Kind of trumps 'we' Americans. "He was a private citizen (then) and I imagine, in today's context, if they were misunderstood it's something that perhaps he wouldn't say today.'' When asked which public image -- the 1997 one or the 2005 one -- Canadians should believe is the real Stephen Harper, LeBreton answered: Ignatieff's lectures prepared for Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge; award winning books and documentaries were done when he was a private citizen, though his awards like the Gemini, Gelber and Governor General's reveal that we never thought of him as anything other than Canadian. Edited March 2, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
M.Dancer Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Ignatieff's lectures prepared for Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge; award winning books and documentaries were done when he was a private citizen, though his awards like the Gemini, Gelber and Governor General's reveal that we never thought of him as anything other than Canadian. Funny that you can write a book while living decades outside of Canada, be published by a foreign publisher and win a GG, but for someone like Bryan Adams, living in Canada, having a top ten song and not be allowed to be even nominated for a Juno... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
OddSox Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 The Tories can stand being civil and so this past week they started their personal attacks on the new Lib. leader and now in the news, they are saying they are going on the "attack" against the Lib leader. They got what they wanted from him, to pass the budget and now they are throwing him away just like they did with the other two opposition leader, "used and abused" !!!! Now some may say this is smart politics but I say it just shows exactly the character of the Tories and how mean spirited and low these guys will go. Actually, the budget is not passed yet, and the Liberals are now threatening to stall it in the Senate. I thought they had promised to work with the government to expedite the stimulus program... http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?...budget/&c=2 Quote
Keepitsimple Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) They are using his books and lectures. Most politicians wait until they are out of office before publishing their memoirs (Harper is currently working on his). For Ignatieff he is somewhat vulnerable because of the vast amount of his published works that span several decades, with varying opinions that change with the times.When Harper's hate speech surfaced, he defended it by saying that he wrote it as a private citizen. Harper speech resurfaces mid-campaign "He also tells the Americans "your country, and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world." Kind of trumps 'we' Americans. "He was a private citizen (then) and I imagine, in today's context, if they were misunderstood it's something that perhaps he wouldn't say today.'' When asked which public image -- the 1997 one or the 2005 one -- Canadians should believe is the real Stephen Harper, LeBreton answered: Ignatieff's lectures prepared for Harvard, Oxford and Cambridge; award winning books and documentaries were done when he was a private citizen, though his awards like the Gemini, Gelber and Governor General's reveal that we never thought of him as anything other than Canadian. Thanks for posting that speech. It's a long one to read but it's quite informative and has Tim Powers said - it's quite tongue-in-cheek with a lot of clever twists. One has to remember that at the time, Bill Clinton was president and American Conservatism had not been soiled by George W. Bush and the Iraq war. Here in Canada, the "right" was fragmented, the West was maginalized, Quebec was on the verge of separation and the Liberal party had a majority by winning all the seats in the largest province. If one looks at the politics of the time and recognizes that Harper is reflecting on the state of things as a private citizen - and trying to entertain the crowd - it's pretty good stuff. Edited March 2, 2009 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
g_bambino Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Actually, the budget is not passed yet, and the Liberals are now threatening to stall it in the Senate. Great, now it's the Liberals moving us towards a constitututional crisis; this time a la Australia, 1975. Quote
Topaz Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Posted March 2, 2009 Actually, the budget is not passed yet, and the Liberals are now threatening to stall it in the Senate. I thought they had promised to work with the government to expedite the stimulus program...http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?...budget/&c=2 ON Friday, they explained that the Libs agree with MOST of the budget BUT the Tories put in a clause about the 3 BILLION that said something that the Tories could use that money for anything THEY wanted, even the ads against the Libs if they wanted. It the same old same old thing the Cons do, throw a monkey wrench in then blame the Libs for stalling!! Quote
OddSox Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 ON Friday, they explained that the Libs agree with MOST of the budget BUT the Tories put in a clause about the 3 BILLION that said something that the Tories could use that money for anything THEY wanted, even the ads against the Libs if they wanted. It the same old same old thing the Cons do, throw a monkey wrench in then blame the Libs for stalling!! Yes, it's the same old thing. The Liberals will find any excuse to do what they want, not what actually good for the country or the economy... Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Funny that you can write a book while living decades outside of Canada, be published by a foreign publisher and win a GG, but for someone like Bryan Adams, living in Canada, having a top ten song and not be allowed to be even nominated for a Juno... Hmmm...not according to his bio: Bryan Adams. Singer, songwriter, guitarist, photographer, b Kingston, Ont, 5 Nov 1959. Raised in England, Israel, Portugal, and Austria... Adams picked up seven additional Juno awards... Michael Ignatieff travelled a great deal as a journalist in wartorn countries, but always travelled on a Canadian passport and never gave up his Canadian citizenship. We get to claim him, not Kosovo or Kurdistan or Sareajvo, no matter how much danger he put himself in to get the story. He's Canadian and in fact, MacLeans once named him one of the 10 most interesting Canadians. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
ToadBrother Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Great, now it's the Liberals moving us towards a constitututional crisis; this time a la Australia, 1975. Not really. The Australian Senate has a good deal more power than ours does, and the best our Senate could do is stall it. Besides, if they give too much trouble, Harper can always head to London and get the Queen to create some more Senate seats ala Brian Mulroney. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 If one looks at the politics of the time and recognizes that Harper is reflecting on the state of things as a private citizen - and trying to entertain the crowd - it's pretty good stuff. If that was the case, why the need to defend it by saying he was a private citizen at the time and not the same person in 1997 that he was in 2005? On their website they have a lecture of Ignatieff's from 1991, as a private citizen and probably not the same person in 1991 that he is in 2009. Was he not also just reflecting on the state of things as a private citizen? I know Ignatieff was not the president of the Right-Wing National Citizens' Coalition, like Harper, and lectures prepared for Oxford, Cambridge and Harvard are not nearly as prestigous as running a campaign called 'Operation Porkchop', but.... Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 ON Friday, they explained that the Libs agree with MOST of the budget BUT the Tories put in a clause about the 3 BILLION that said something that the Tories could use that money for anything THEY wanted, even the ads against the Libs if they wanted. It the same old same old thing the Cons do, throw a monkey wrench in then blame the Libs for stalling!! Exactly. Same old, same old. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
g_bambino Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Not really. The Australian Senate has a good deal more power than ours does, and the best our Senate could do is stall it. Besides, if they give too much trouble, Harper can always head to London and get the Queen to create some more Senate seats ala Brian Mulroney. Mmm... perhaps you're right. I wonder though, is there a time limit on how long a bill can be held in the Senate before it must go back to the commons? I'm aware that in the UK, a bill can only be sent by the House of Lords back to the commons a maximum number of times before it goes straight for Royal Assent. I'm not sure if something similar exists here. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Yes, it's the same old thing. The Liberals will find any excuse to do what they want, not what actually good for the country or the economy... If the Tories want a three billion dollar slush fund, no questions asked, we should stall it forever. These guys have proven thay can't be trusted with our money. I want an accounting of every dime. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
madmax Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Funny that you can write a book while living decades outside of Canada, be published by a foreign publisher and win a GG, but for someone like Bryan Adams, living in Canada, having a top ten song and not be allowed to be even nominated for a Juno... Was a favour to Canadians Everywhere. Didn't you see "South Park, THE MOVIE". "We apologised for Bryan Adams several times" Quote
madmax Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Great, now it's the Liberals moving us towards a constitututional crisis; this time a la Australia, 1975. Help me? What is Australia 1975? Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Help me? What is Australia 1975? One of only two cases in modern Westminster Parliament history when a Governor General overrode the will of the sitting Prime Minister (the other being the King-Byng Affair). Quote
blueblood Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Tories, character? Where do they keep it? This just shows how desperate they are. Canadians thought Stockwell Day was an idiot with his whole man roaming with donosaurs things, wait til they see him try to make 4 + 5 = 30. Is that in the Bible? Old testament math perhaps. Do you have rocks in your head? Day can believe whatever the hell he wants. If he doesn't buy the dinosaur thing, that's his problem, and he can be wrong if he wants to. Calling yourself Progressive and running someone down for what they believe in shows you are a hypocrite. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 ...Calling yourself Progressive and running someone down for what they believe in shows you are a hypocrite. +2 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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