6 month madaTORY for 1 plant

[DrGreenthumb]

So our Ned Flanders Conservative gooferment still wants to put people in jail for 6 months for growing as little as 1 cannabis plant?

Is there anybody stupid enough to think this is a good plan? I mean besides Harper and company?

Also 1 year mandaTory minimums for someone who "traffics" cannabis. Considering that passing a joint is considered trafficking how many Canadians do you think would qualify for a year in Harper's people cages? Don't try to tell me that nobody is charged for trafficking for passing a joint either because Marc Emery was sentenced to 9 months in jail for that exact offence. He went to jail for passing a joint at a pro-legalization rally.

[bluegreen]

So our Ned Flanders Conservative gooferment still wants to put people in jail for 6 months for growing as little as 1 cannabis plant?

Is there anybody stupid enough to think this is a good plan? I mean besides Harper and company?

Also 1 year mandaTory minimums for someone who "traffics" cannabis. Considering that passing a joint is considered trafficking how many Canadians do you think would qualify for a year in Harper's people cages? Don't try to tell me that nobody is charged for trafficking for passing a joint either because Marc Emery was sentenced to 9 months in jail for that exact offence. He went to jail for passing a joint at a pro-legalization rally.

Outrageous!

This in a country where a majority of the populace would like to see dope decriminalized!

This conservative Party has absolutely nothing to do with libertarian principles. Less regulation for business, more chains for the citizenry. Fill the prisons, and free businesses. No intellectual rigour there.

[noahbody]

So our Ned Flanders Conservative gooferment still wants to put people in jail for 6 months for growing as little as 1 cannabis plant?

Is there anybody stupid enough to think this is a good plan? I mean besides Harper and company?

Also 1 year mandaTory minimums for someone who "traffics" cannabis. Considering that passing a joint is considered trafficking how many Canadians do you think would qualify for a year in Harper's people cages? Don't try to tell me that nobody is charged for trafficking for passing a joint either because Marc Emery was sentenced to 9 months in jail for that exact offence. He went to jail for passing a joint at a pro-legalization rally.

Is there some new information here we need to be aware of? Link perhaps? Last time you spouted this crap I provided a link so you could read the bill and learn that your claims are false.

[bluegreen]

Is there some new information here we need to be aware of? Link perhaps? Last time you spouted this crap I provided a link so you could read the bill and learn that your claims are false.

I just did a quick google, and found:

http://communities.canada.com/calgaryheral.../28/286815.aspx

here's a very well supported condemnation of the new act by the director of the John Howard society:

http://johnhowardsociety.blogspot.com/2009...o-suppress.html

It should really be obvious that the more criminal sanctions are enacted against tiny producers of dope, the more likely people are to stop growing their own, and resort to the black market. No sanctions will stop, or even slow down commercial production. It is axiomatic that increased sanctions will improve the profit margins of commercial grow ops. Gangsters have ever increasing cash flows, and the gang wars over highly profitable territories get bloodier. What an enormous boondoggle. If small scale production for personal use were legalized, or even decriminalized then the domestic market for gangsters would be reduced to a trickle. Most people who buy dope today would probably rather not pay high prices to support gangsters. Even if demand did rise a bit, so what? We would pull BILLIONS of dollars out of the gangsters pockets, and the gangs would be reduced to dealing unpopular drugs worth a tiny fraction of the dope market. Fancy that, castrating the gangs by allowing people the freedom to do what they want with their own bodies.

Stupid social conservative jackasses, screwing up our cities, and creating massive profits for organized criminals so they can look tough on crime.

[DrGreenthumb]

Is there some new information here we need to be aware of? Link perhaps? Last time you spouted this crap I provided a link so you could read the bill and learn that your claims are false.

You did no such thing because my claims were not false. 1-200 plants nets a mandatory 6 month sentence under the new bill. Seems like if I'm going to grow 1 plant for my own use I might as well grow 200 as the penalty willll be the same. Most personal/medical grows are about 25-50 plants, but i suspect most people will upgrade to 200 since the punishment under conservative cookie cutter justice would be the same for a 200 plant gro-op as a 6 plant personal closet garden.

Add to that the definition of organized crime is any crime that involves 3 or more people and the sentences are much greater as almost any cannabis sales or gifts involve that many persons. If i grow 6 plants, give my brother in law an ounce for christmas and he sells or gives his sister a couple of grams, voila- organized crime.

The conservatives are such freakin hicks, what do they expect to do? Jail half the population? Expect an announcement on private prisons/concentration camps from your conservative government soon. Their corporate buddies will appreciate the slave labour.

[capricorn]

Here's a chart detailing the penalties for cannabis and marijuana.

http://cannabisfacts.ca/mandatoryminimums_chart.html

[85RZ500]

LOL, I live a sheltered life, don't know a soul who uses that crap.

So it's against the law, suck it up, you want to be a doper, pay the price.

[bluegreen]

LOL, I live a sheltered life, don't know a soul who uses that crap.

So it's against the law, suck it up, you want to be a doper, pay the price.

How about a bill to criminalize living sheltered lonely asocial lives?

If you live alone, and don't know anybody, then why should you care if other people want to smoke dope? I really wonder why you want to put people in prison who never have, and never will do you any harm?

[DrGreenthumb]

LOL, I live a sheltered life, don't know a soul who uses that crap.

So it's against the law, suck it up, you want to be a doper, pay the price.

So your kid gets shot by gangsters fighting over the profitable commodity you have handed entirely to them to distribute, suck it up, you want to be a prohibitionist, pay the price.

Did you get to keep your grade school dunce cap when you finally dropped out?

[tango]

Moms on pot.

[SSD]

I don't understand whats wrong with ganja. What is it with this government wanting to control our lives? They think they know whats best for us. Maybe they focus on the economy rather than what we do in our spare time that does no harm to anyone. Whats the difference betweenganja and alcohol? If they are going to ban this leaf, then they should tell us what to wear, how to speak, who to vote for. Smaller government my ass. These bible-thumpers want everyone to read the bible and wage war on the hippes and non-believers.

Firstly, ganja helps in reducing stress. Second, there are vapourizers used by some (and if legalized could be sold by pharmacies) that significantly reduced any harm in the smoking of it. Third, no consensus (in research) says that lung cancer is a direct cause of smoking marijuana, unlikng smoking that disgusting tobacco. Fourth, by taxing it and thus regulating it use, we could make some good money off of consenting adults wanting to enjoy life. Fifth, it has been successful in reducing breast cancer. Sixth, no widely accepted study has proven the gateway drug theory stated by these religious know-it-alls, who make up the overwhelmingly large majority of the right. Last, we won't have to worry about using our tax money and burden on our policing system to arrest people for these neutral issues (as long as they don't cause harm to anyone, who cares).

This quote was used by a good man, John McCallum, during the same sex debate in parliament. It is widely considered the quote the pushed the bill over-the-top: "I believe we should always seek to expand the rights of our fellow citizens as long as we do not thereby reduce the rights of others. We should seek to ensure that no group is denied full participation in society. As members of Parliament, we should not ask the question, why should we extend this right? Rather our question should be, why should we not extend the right? Let the burden of proof be on those who wish to limit fundamental rights." I think this is the defining quote of that movement here in Canada and really cemented McCallum as one of the most respected men in today's political system (even though he's embarrassed himself at times).

Edited March 1, 2009 by SSD

[tango]

Whats the difference between ganja and alcohol?

The difference is ... people smokin ganja don't cause trouble for the police

unless they're drinkin too much.

[SSD]

Whats the difference between ganja and alcohol?

The difference is ... people smokin ganja don't cause trouble for the police

unless they're drinkin too much.

True that. Areas where ganja is allowed in even small amounts have less crime. If we are going ban this leaf, then we should ban all substances. Otherwise, legalize it Even the right wingers can agree that a little puff makes that world a better place. Either that or they are lying to themselves. I have been to school in the U.S. and Europe. All the scholars I have talked to think that people who want to stop others from smoking what don't belong in power since they have a hidden agenda. All I know is that had Martin been in power for longer, he would have decriminalized larger amounts (he was getting more and more progressive with the NDP's help, so it was only time).

[Melanie_]

Well that's the last fucking straw!! :angry:

This groovygranny is growing a great fucking HUGE pot plant in my front yard this summer, taking a great big fucking picture of me with it, with my reading glasses and a walking stick (for the 'thritis & muggers), and a shot of tequila for the chill, and a pointy old finger, and blowing it up to a poster and sending it to Stephen Harper

Tango! We groovy grannies have got to stick together! I'm going to have to pass on the tequila... sometimes, without me even being aware of it, Janis Joplin channels through me when I have some tequila, and before you know it I'm singing

, like it or not. But I'll join you in a toke, now and then, if you can help me figure out where an old lady can find some. My arthritis is killing me, so the marijuana is strictly for medicinal purposes.

[Progressive Tory]

Who's in?

I'm in. I'll be sitting in my wheelchair with a bong as big as my head. Actually, I don't use pot, though I could probably get it legally because of MS. I don't drink either, but simply by choice. I prefer yoga.

I tried pot in highschool but never really had any interest.

However, it is absolutely insane to prohibit marijuana, and for those who say they don't know anyone who uses it, they might be surprised. Just because they offer you a martini instead of a joint, doesn't mean they don't have a joint to offer you if you were so inclined.

The Conservatives are simply paving the way for private prisons.

Obama is now leaving it up to individual states to make their own marijuana laws and has ended raids on cannabis bars. It's a good first step.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Obama is now leaving it up to individual states to make their own marijuana laws and has ended raids on cannabis bars. It's a good first step.

Really? Somebody should tell the DEA.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/07/m...-_n_164921.html

Obama may ease federal code and enforcement for medical ganja for US states...which is not Canada.

[Progressive Tory]

Obama may ease federal code and enforcement for medical ganja for US states...which is not Canada.

I know it's not Canada but some posters are suggesting that we can't legalize pot because the U.S. never will, and it becomes a border issue. However, I think the U.S. may very well see the light sooner, rather than later. Didn't Obama admit to smoking pot himself...and inhaling?

Obama Inhaled

He knows the current system of prohibition is not working and wants to change the strategy. Tougher laws and longer jail times are not the answer.

[Argus]

Here's a chart detailing the penalties for cannabis and marijuana.

http://cannabisfacts.ca/mandatoryminimums_chart.html

So I think the appropriate part of the six month minimum which people are ignoring is this: Offence is committed for the purpose of trafficking.

In other words, if you grow your own weed in small amounts for your own consumption, the six month mandatory minimum does not apply.

[madmax]

LOL, I live a sheltered life, don't know a soul who uses that crap.

Why would your doctor tell you he is a doper? You probably don't live a sheltered life, but there is something questionable about someone saying they don't know a soul who smokes pot. Its just about impossible.

[bush_cheney2004]

I know it's not Canada but some posters are suggesting that we can't legalize pot because the U.S. never will, and it becomes a border issue.

Canada banned marijuana before the United States....and sanctioned same gender marriage as well. The "U.S. never will" is just another excuse in an ever growing, pathetic pitty pot of convenience.

However, I think the U.S. may very well see the light sooner, rather than later. Didn't Obama admit to smoking pot himself...and inhaling?

So what? He wasn't the president at the time. President Clinton had no problem locking up dopers as well.

He knows the current system of prohibition is not working and wants to change the strategy. Tougher laws and longer jail times are not the answer.

The answer to what? "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time".

Edited March 1, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

Why would your doctor tell you he is a doper? You probably don't live a sheltered life, but there is something questionable about someone saying they don't know a soul who smokes pot. Its just about impossible.

No it's not...I used to know a pothead, but now he abuses heroin!

[SSD]

The answer to what? "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time".

I think the question referred to is the war on drugs. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

[bush_cheney2004]

I think the question referred to is the war on drugs. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Still unclear....which other summary and indictable offences are just "not the answer" for the respective crimes?

[punked]

No it's not...I used to know a pothead, but now he abuses heroin!

Funny becuase there is just as much a chance that order could be other way.

[Oleg Bach]

So our Ned Flanders Conservative gooferment still wants to put people in jail for 6 months for growing as little as 1 cannabis plant?

Is there anybody stupid enough to think this is a good plan? I mean besides Harper and company?

Also 1 year mandaTory minimums for someone who "traffics" cannabis. Considering that passing a joint is considered trafficking how many Canadians do you think would qualify for a year in Harper's people cages? Don't try to tell me that nobody is charged for trafficking for passing a joint either because Marc Emery was sentenced to 9 months in jail for that exact offence. He went to jail for passing a joint at a pro-legalization rally.

Don't you know that the gov has buddies who own the alcohol companies and a bit of smoking cuts down no liquor consumption. Also a bit of pot wards off the agenda of the pharma companies to have everybody on THEIR dope - Harper is not being personal with you - it's about profits and maintaining of the most special interest groups in the world - big buisness - these talked about penalties are not base on moral decisions but most likely on finacial decisions - also kids are learning to smoke pot earlier..protecting the kids is an issue - but - where do you draw the line - maybe toss a 12 year old pot head or dealer in the clink.