Ex-First Nations head acquitted in hate trial

[Leafless]

SASKATOON – A Saskatoon judge acquitted former aboriginal leader David Ahenakew Monday of wilfully promoting hatred against Jews.

The 75-year-old testified at his second trial that he doesn't hate Jews but still believes they caused the war.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/591647

Does David Ahenakew have a point:

Food for thought:

"The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany"

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

[M.Dancer]

Food for thought:

"The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany"

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptori...es/jdecwar.html

This food makes me think you have been googling nutbar holocaust denial sites...

[guyser]

This food makes me think you have been googling nutbar holocaust denial sites...

Well, that would make sense wouldnt it?

Didja see the date of the declaration of war? 1933.

Guess they werent busy for a few more years?

[Oleg Bach]

Holocaust re-visionists are nasty - It happened.....my parents saw the corpses - not just Jews but everybody - stacks of human horror and rot... This guy simply did not like lawyers - some of whom may have been Jewish - To bad he did not take the time to find out who instructed the lawyers....Hate to break it to the poor dear at the head of the First Nations table...but the pesky Jews do not rule the world - looks like this nut-bar hung out with to many white red necks for too long.

[Leafless]

This food makes me think you have been googling nutbar holocaust denial sites...

Actually this thread has nothing to do with any holocaust but more do do with what created the extreme German animosity or hatred against the Jews.

"The Jewish Declaration of war on Nazi Germany"

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptori...es/jdecwar.html

[Leafless]

Holocaust re-visionists are nasty - It happened.....my parents saw the corpses - not just Jews but everybody - stacks of human horror and rot... This guy simply did not like lawyers - some of whom may have been Jewish - To bad he did not take the time to find out who instructed the lawyers....Hate to break it to the poor dear at the head of the First Nations table...but the pesky Jews do not rule the world - looks like this nut-bar hung out with to many white red necks for too long.

Genocide is a horrible thing including these.

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000

Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)

Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)

Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)

Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000

Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)

Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000

Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000

Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000

Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000

Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98) 800,000

Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000

Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000

Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)

Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000

Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000

Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000

Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)

Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000

Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?

Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000

Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000

Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-96) 180,000

Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000

Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000

Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?

Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (vietnamese civilians)

Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000

Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000

Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000

Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)

Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)

Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999) 30,000

Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000

Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000

Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000

Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority) 20,000

Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 13,000

Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)

Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000

Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500

Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000

Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000

http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

So again we are not talking about any sort of genocide but the causes of the extreme hatred against the Jews by Nazi Germany.

[Oleg Bach]

Actually this thread has nothing to do with any holocaust but more do do with what created the extreme German animosity or hatred against the Jews.

"The Jewish Declaration of war on Nazi Germany"

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptori...es/jdecwar.html

May as well peg the actual sight - It started in Austria the birth place of what's his name and an argument between the founding zionists - about 1890. The conference did not end well - a schism formed between the secularist Jews and the religious ones - a clash of values you might say - a feud! This from what I gather continued untill the ecomomic failure in the late 20s.... and the birth of the National Socialist that clashed with Marxist ideals... If you think of Freud - a Jew who had his concepts hyjacked by the new state - to be used to socially engineer ( He is so distraught that he over doses himself with morphine) - and Bronstein or (Trotsky is operating out of Russia - every crazed idealist is running rampant at around the same time. Jews betraying Jews was common but is not spoken of..

- A lot of good ideas are born out of old Cabalist thinking and visions of international Kabutzs' must have danced in Trotskies big scull - later to be wacked with a pick axe....all are to blame for what took place and generated the holocaust - The germanic cousins of the jews - the pure anglo - and the lax British morals based on anti-semitism because they simply did not like the shape of the mans nose. What was interesting was that Lenin wanted to create a slave labour camp to serve the west - Trosky wanted international communism - which would not serve the capitalist masters as planned so he had to go --- the whole thing was a travesty and no one will fully know who the real villians are or were.

[charter.rights]

As I remember David Ahenakew didn't deny the Holocaust. It just said that the Jews deserved it.....

Anyway he is not guilty of hate speech. Which was the whole point.

[Riverwind]

As I remember David Ahenakew didn't deny the Holocaust. It just said that the Jews deserved it.....

Anyway he is not guilty of hate speech. Which was the whole point.

Does that mean someone could say that that the aboriginals deserved to have their land taken away and you would not call it hate speech?

[charter.rights]

Sure.

But that would not detract from saying that it would be an disgustingly ignorant statement that was not based on fact. Free speech does have its moments.

[Melanie_]

Whether it was hate speech or not, it was stupid and indefensible. He continues to believe what he said about Jews, as this quote shows...

Ahenakew testified at his second trial that he doesn't hate Jews but still believes they caused the war.

"Everybody says I'm a Jew-hater," he told court. "I don't hate the Jews, but I hate what they do to people."

This guy led an organization that fought against stereotypes and prejudices? I'm sure he would object to the above comment being made about aboriginals, but he can't see that it's offensive when directed at someone else. What a loser.

[blueblood]

I'm surprised the court didn't throw out the case because maybe he was senile.

What was he 75 when he made those statements? It wouldn't put it past me that he could be senile. A person could go into an old folks home and come out hearing some pretty colorful statements about minorities.

[Riverwind]

But that would not detract from saying that it would be an disgustingly ignorant statement that was not based on fact. Free speech does have its moments.

Nice to see you are consistent on this point.

[OddSox]

Does this mean he gets his Order of Canada returned?

[Muddy]

Does this mean he gets his Order of Canada returned?

Give the old guy his Order of Canada back. Who respects that anyway? Every near do well gets it.

[eyeball]

I'm surprised the court didn't throw out the case because maybe he was senile.

What was he 75 when he made those statements? It wouldn't put it past me that he could be senile. A person could go into an old folks home and come out hearing some pretty colorful statements about minorities.

Isn't that the truth. A friend's elderly mother is slowly but inevitably deteriorating that way. She was a proverbial sweet little old lady before but now the poor tormented woman is as nasty and foul-mouthed as they come. She still seems to have her quick wit but her empathy has just completely vanished resulting in the capacity to score some very direct hits on people's feelings. Needless to say you need to keep a sense of humor about you when you visit her. Swearing back seems to help.

[fellowtraveller]

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

OP, were you aware that this is a Nazi website?

I need a shower after a quick scan through that bit of ugliness.

[CANADIEN]

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/591647

Does David Ahenakew have a point:

No.

Food for thought:

"The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany"

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptori...es/jdecwar.html

I must confessed that I am surprised.. I would have never thought that your delusions included mistaking for facts the ravinfs of the lunatic Barnes Review.

Hitler's hatred towards Jews existed and was a documented fact long before 1933.

[CANADIEN]

Actually this thread has nothing to do with any holocaust but more do do with what created the extreme German animosity or hatred against the Jews.

"The Jewish Declaration of war on Nazi Germany"

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptori...es/jdecwar.html

Or more exactly, it has to do with your willingness to take as fact the rantings of known anti-Semites.

Edited February 25, 2009 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

Hitler's hatred towards Jews existed and was a documented fact long before 1933.

That is the purpose of this thread which is to discuss facts relating to the origins and reasons why for the extreme hatred directed towards the Jews.

Be kind enough and feel free to post and share your alleged documented facts.

Edited February 26, 2009 by Leafless

[M.Dancer]

That is the purpose of this thread which is the origins and reasons why for the extreme hatred directed towards the Jews.

Be kind enough and feel free to post and share your alleged documented facts.

Mein Kampf....published in 1925

In Mein Kampf, Hitler uses the main thesis of “The Jewish peril”, which speaks of an alleged Jewish conspiracy to gain world leadership. The narrative describes the process by which he became increasingly anti-Semitic and militaristic, especially during his years in Vienna, Austria. Yet the deeper origins of his anti-semitism remain a mystery. He speaks of not having met a Jew until he arrived in Vienna, and that at first his attitude was liberal and tolerant. When he first encountered the anti-semitic press, he says, he dismissed it as unworthy of serious consideration. A little later and quite suddenly, it seems, he accepted the same anti-semitic views whole-heartedly, and they became crucial in his programme of national reconstruction. It was Zionism, which he calls a “great movement” in Mein Kampf, which he says settled his view (as theirs) that one cannot be both a German and a Jew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf

[Leafless]

Mein Kampf....published in 1925

Cultural dominance is nothing new.

Cultural imperialism happens right here in Canada under the guise of equality but can be easily argued it is the minority French language in pursuit of cultural dominance over the English language by way of the Constitution.

The forced used of French under federal jurisdiction especially in the federal public service is an example of this despite the English language being the dominate language of Canada.

Cultural imperialism is the practice of promoting, distinguishing, separating, or artificially injecting the culture or language of one culture into another. It is usually the case that the former belongs to a large, economically or militarily powerful nation and the latter belongs to a smaller, less important one. Cultural imperialism can take the form of an active, formal policy or a general attitude. The term is usually used in a pejorative sense, usually in conjunction with a call to reject foreign influence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_imperialism

Also from the same source:

"Residential schools in Canada designed to assimilate First Nations, Metis and Inuit children into the predominate European cultures of Canada (anglophone and francophone)."

[CANADIEN]

Cultural dominance is nothing new.

The program Hitler had in mind and executed is not called cultural dominance. It's called genocide.

Cultural imperialism happens right here in Canada under the guise of equality but can be easily argued it is the minority French language in pursuit of cultural dominance over the English language by way of the Constitution.

The same way it can easily be argued that 1+1 = 3. You don't get it.

"Residential schools in Canada designed to assimilate First Nations, Metis and Inuit children into the predominate European cultures of Canada (anglophone and francophone)."

Now THAT'S cultural dominance.

And as you suggested earlier. Feel free to bring the topic back to the issue of hatred towards Jews.

Edited February 27, 2009 by CANADIEN

[charter.rights]

The program Hitler had in mind and executed is not called cultural dominance. It's called genocide.

The same way it can easily be argued that 1+1 = 3. You don't get it.

Now THAT'S cultural dominance.

And as you suggested earlier. Feel free to bring the topic back to the issue of hatred towards Jews.

Their intent may very well have been cultural dominance but the effect was genocide.

[Leafless]

The program Hitler had in mind and executed is not called cultural dominance. It's called genocide.

Genocide is eliminating a cultural period via extreme aggression.

Aggressive Trudeau was also guilty of cultural imperialism by artificially injecting the culture of a minority language into the majority English language.

This is something the dominant English speaking Canadians have never done to the minority French language Canadians by way of language policies and Charter amendments forcing them to speak the English language.

The same way it can easily be argued that 1+1 = 3. You don't get it.

I get IT every night.

Now THAT'S cultural dominance.

Relating to Aboriginals, is a matter of opinion. This has been discussed in many other threads.

And as you suggested earlier.

That was an invitation to you and we are still waiting for your input.

Feel free to bring the topic back to the issue of hatred towards Jews.

I have and did via cultural dominance/cultural imperialism.

It is human nature to want to be dominant.

Ask the U.S. and they will tell you all about it.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Edited February 27, 2009 by Leafless