jbg Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) But she does not propose any viable solutions.A continued state of war with Israel blockading the borders of Gaza is not a solution. Yes, for you it's Israel rolling over and dying. Did Israel start off rocketing Gaza after it withdrew? And who was it that blew up the Israeli greenhouses left behind in Gaza? Not Israeli troops. Rest assured, I am no pacifist. I'm completely in favor of fighting if it makes sense to do so.For the Palestinians, it makes absolutely no sense to keep attacking a foe they can not defeat by violence. They have to find a different way. The Philistines, Amalkites, Jebusites etc. didn't find a different way. The "Palestinians" won't either.Once they show that they have put down their weapons, the Palestinians will be able to get the international community to come to their aid. Things like international monitoring of supplies entering Gaza would be a piece of cake. It would become extremely difficult for Israel to argue that the blockade is still justified once Palestinians showed they were committed to non-violence. Once Palestinians show they're committed to non-violence, great things are possible. But until then, nothing will change.True. The Canadian-American border is a very open place. Edited February 24, 2009 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
tango Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) kimmy said: If you can't afford to be hit back, quit provoking them. It's really that simple. No, Gaza has been devastated, people massacred. They are no in a position to hit back anymore. Also, the worldwide outrage seems to have affected Israel. They are still starving the people of Gaza, but not overtly attacking them anymore. Now they are attacking the people of the West Bank instead: The real Israel-Palestine story is in the West Bank Israel's targeting of civilian resistance to the separation wall proves the two-state solution is now just a meaningless slogan o Ben White o guardian.co.uk, Friday 20 February 2009 14.00 GMT It is quite likely that you have not heard of the most important developments this week in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In the West Bank, while it has been "occupation as normal", there have been some events that together should be overshadowing Gaza, Gilad Shalit and Avigdor Lieberman. First, there have been a large number of Israeli raids on Palestinian villages, with dozens of Palestinians abducted. These kinds of raids are, of course, commonplace for the occupied West Bank, but in recent days it appears the Israeli military has targeted sites of particularly strong Palestinian civil resistance to the separation wall. For three consecutive days this week, Israeli forces invaded Jayyous, a village battling for survival as their agricultural land is lost to the wall and neighbouring Jewish colony. The soldiers occupied homes, detained residents, blocked off access roads, vandalised property, beat protestors, and raised the Israeli flag at the top of several buildings. The real Israel-Palestine story is in the West Bank Israel doesn't want peace. With the new administration in the US, and the hardening of the right in Israel, it appears to me that the Israeli people are about to eat crow big time! Edited February 24, 2009 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
DogOnPorch Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) jbg: Yes, for you it's Israel rolling over and dying. Did Israel start off rocketing Gaza after it withdrew? And who was it that blew up the Israeli greenhouses left behind in Gaza? Not Israeli troops. Do you have Google Earth installed? If not, Google Maps is suitable... Using either you can zoom into Gaza in exterme detail and see that all the old Israeli settlements remain abandoned wastelands. Moon scapes. A real shame... --------------------------- It's a Daisy. Edited February 24, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
gc1765 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 They should stop. Palestinain leaders should encourage Palestinians to adopt other ways of dealing with their dispossession and occupation. I suggest small highly publicized group hunger strikes with the threat of escalating these into larger one's would be far more effective at motivating the world to pressure Israel to reconcile the differences they have with their hosts.I think appealing to humanity's humanity really is the only option. Should Palestinians choose this option they can count on me giving them as much support as I can humanly muster. I agree! Palestinians should stop fighting Israel. I don't think ANYONE here would disagree with that. Unfortunately, if you say the same thing about Israel, that they should stop fighting Palestinians, a lot of people will disagree with you. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 I agree! Palestinians should stop fighting Israel. I don't think ANYONE here would disagree with that. Unfortunately, if you say the same thing about Israel, that they should stop fighting Palestinians, a lot of people will disagree with you. As it should be....the least important consideration is what people completely removed from the conflict think or need in the way of peaceful sensibilities. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted February 25, 2009 Report Posted February 25, 2009 As it should be....the least important consideration is what people completely removed from the conflict think or need in the way of peaceful sensibilities. Back to my arm chair - those that can afford it and are concerned should go there and have a chat...sometimes all they need is a bit of common sense..don't depend on politicals - they are stressed and confused at times...contribute..they need the imput ...we assume they are all knowing - they are not. Now back to my omni-present self...lonely at the top - and unbareable at the bottom - being human is a blessing - and a lot of work......thanks again BC - keep the faith..and hope your ownly real wealth. Quote
tango Posted February 26, 2009 Report Posted February 26, 2009 Back to my arm chair - those that can afford it and are concerned should go there and have a chat...sometimes all they need is a bit of common sense..don't depend on politicals - they are stressed and confused at times...contribute..they need the imput ...we assume they are all knowing - they are not. Now back to my omni-present self...lonely at the top - and unbareable at the bottom - being human is a blessing - and a lot of work......thanks again BC - keep the faith..and hope your ownly real wealth. You don't have to go there. They're here, in our universities, for example. They're always glad to talk to us about it. That's why they're out demonstrating, etc., to talk to us. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
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