Pope reinstates bishop who denies the Holocaust

ToadBrother · February 5, 2009

You deny the teachings. Hard to be Catholic and not belief the teachings but that really is besides the point. We cannot change doctrine in order to be popular with today's society. The Holy Mother Church teachings are divinely inspired, to go against them is to go against God.

But ignoring the Pope's clear statement that the Holocaust occurred, and in fact demanding that an errant Bishop publicly retract his anti-Holocaust views, can be dispensed with.

Smallc · February 5, 2009

You guys are being too hard on Mr. Canada. He's not a Holocaust denier....he simply doesn't believe that it happened.... :huh:

M.Dancer · February 5, 2009

The Holy Mother Church teachings are divinely inspired, to go against them is to go against God.

It's 2:19 left in regulation time ....

And in the corner is Galileo. and he picks up the deflection..Galileo passes to Copernicus, Copernicus back to Galileo, The Pope brother are scrambling and trying to poke cheque the puck but Galileo dekes them both. He winds up, he SHOOTS< HE SCORES and beats God on the stick side upper corner....

I'll say this that God is getting the short end of the stick her...the Pope brother have been entirely ineffectual with the inspired strategy laid out, and this is the key and where the balme lands, laid out by Coach Rome. What was he thinking? The players revolve around the puck not the puck revolves around the players...

punked · February 5, 2009

You deny the teachings. Hard to be Catholic and not belief the teachings but that really is besides the point. We cannot change doctrine in order to be popular with today's society. The Holy Mother Church teachings are divinely inspired, to go against them is to go against God.

We change the doctrine all the time to be popular with today's society I know you haven't been a Catholic long enough or been in a Catholic family long enough to hear the traditions. Pope Paul VI issued a decree saying we no longer had to eat Fish on Fridays this happened at a time when it was terribly unpopular because of sky rocketing Fish prices. It stands to this day. They do this shit all the time. If the Catholic church thought for a second gay marriage or women priests wouldn't offend the huge base in South and North America and bring in New Catholics they would do it in a second. It is time to drag them into the future. Know what would be helpful in dragging our faith into today? You would be along with the other 80% of conservative Catholics.

Edited February 5, 2009 by punked

CANADIEN · February 5, 2009

It's 2:19 left in regulation time ....

And in the corner is Galileo. and he picks up the deflection..Galileo passes to Copernicus, Copernicus back to Galileo, The Pope brother are scrambling and trying to poke cheque the puck but Galileo dekes them both. He winds up, he SHOOTS< HE SCORES and beats God on the stick side upper corner....

I'll say this that God is getting the short end of the stick her...the Pope brother have been entirely ineffectual with the inspired strategy laid out, and this is the key and where the balme lands, laid out by Coach Rome. What was he thinking? The players revolve around the puck not the puck revolves around the players...

I'd be offended if it wasn't so funny.

CANADIEN · February 5, 2009

You deny the teachings. Hard to be Catholic and not belief the teachings but that really is besides the point. We cannot change doctrine in order to be popular with today's society. The Holy Mother Church teachings are divinely inspired, to go against them is to go against God.

The Catholic Curch has acknowledged the FACT of the Holocaust, and has asked God's forgiveness for the anti-Semitism of its members. Your questioning of the FACT of the Holocaust is contrary to a truth held by the Chruch, while statements like those you made that Jews and Muslims killing each others would help conversion is a form of anti-semitism. You are going against the Church.

Mr.Canada · February 5, 2009

The Catholic Curch has acknowledged the FACT of the Holocaust, and has asked God's forgiveness for the anti-Semitism of its members. Your questioning of the FACT of the Holocaust is contrary to a truth held by the Chruch, while statements like those you made that Jews and Muslims killing each others would help conversion is a form of anti-semitism. You are going against the Church.

Any drastic changes and I'll join SSPX which I view a purer form of Catholicism in some ways. Traditional Catholicism is the way to go not this hippy crap.

Edited February 5, 2009 by Mr.Canada

punked · February 5, 2009

Any drastic changes and I'll join SSPX which I view a purer form of Catholicism in some ways. Traditional Catholicism is the way to go not this hippy crap.

Do it I dare you. Either the progressives like myself will win the battle in the church or the church will die a slow death which saddens me.

Edited February 5, 2009 by punked

Mr.Canada · February 5, 2009

We change the doctrine all the time to be popular with today's society I know you haven't been a Catholic long enough or been in a Catholic family long enough to hear the traditions. Pope Paul VI issued a decree saying we no longer had to eat Fish on Fridays this happened at a time when it was terribly unpopular because of sky rocketing Fish prices. It stands to this day. They do this shit all the time. If the Catholic church thought for a second gay marriage or women priests wouldn't offend the huge base in South and North America and bring in New Catholics they would do it in a second. It is time to drag them into the future. Know what would be helpful in dragging our faith into today? You would be along with the other 80% of conservative Catholics.

Yeah one thing 30 years ago is all the time. Anything drastic and I'll join the SSPX movement or Traditional Catholicism for the laymen. If you think we'll be marrying gays with female priests you're dreaming. The conservative arm of the Church is very strong. So go and keep preaching the benefits of homosexuality and how much you enjoy it, be sure to let your priest know that you find homosexuality to be wonderful and that abortion is your idea of a wonderful form of showing your love for human life. They don't take orders from wannabe Catholics such as yourself, Thank God. You'd have homosexuals being married, abortion taught as being blessed by God, etc. No thank you. If I knew your name I'd have you excommunicated. You aren't Catholic. You're an agent provocateur

Mr.Canada · February 5, 2009

Do it I dare you. Either the progressives like myself will win the battle in the church or the church will die a slow death which saddens me.

Either you belief the teachings or you don't. If you don't you need to leave The Church as you're wasting your time. Go be Protestant we don't need you.

"To be in the state of grace you must embrace what the Church embraces, you have to embrace the faith of the Church, and you're not free to receive the Eucharist if you don't embrace the faith of the Church. This is St. Paul, this is St. Justin, this is the whole history of the Church."

SOURCE

You have no business taking the Eucharist. Everytime you is a sin. You need to confess that you like homosexuality and love abortion.

Edited February 5, 2009 by Mr.Canada

ToadBrother · February 5, 2009

Yeah one thing 30 years ago is all the time. Anything drastic and I'll join the SSPX movement or Traditional Catholicism for the laymen. If you think we'll be marrying gays with female priests you're dreaming. The conservative arm of the Church is very strong. So go and keep preaching the benefits of homosexuality and how much you enjoy it, be sure to let your priest know that you find homosexuality to be wonderful and that abortion is your idea of a wonderful form of showing your love for human life. They don't take orders from wannabe Catholics such as yourself, Thank God. You'd have homosexuals being married, abortion taught as being blessed by God, etc. No thank you. If I knew your name I'd have you excommunicated. You aren't Catholic. You're an agent provocateur

And you be sure to tell your priest all about how the Holocaust was a bit inflated cruft by the victorious Allies. I wonder who would be tossed out of a church faster; someone who says "I don't think abortions and gay marriage should be outlawed" or someone who says "I don't think five to six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis."

CANADIEN · February 5, 2009

Any drastic changes and I'll join SSPX which I view a purer form of Catholicism in some ways. Traditional Catholicism is the way to go not this hippy crap.

The Holy Catholic Cgurch listening to the Spirit is hippy crap? Acknowledging the grave sin of anti-semitism and those grave sins that were pograms, discriminatory laws, forced conversion is hippy crap? The acknowledgement of the HISTORICAL PROVEN FACT of the Holocaust is hippy crap?

Feel free to join the SCHISMATIC and un-Catholic SSPX any time you want.

Mr.Canada · February 5, 2009

And you be sure to tell your priest all about how the Holocaust was a bit inflated cruft by the victorious Allies. I wonder who would be tossed out of a church faster; someone who says "I don't think abortions and gay marriage should be outlawed" or someone who says "I don't think five to six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis."

Stay out of it atheist! This is between me and punked, we're believers you wouldn't understand and cannot relate.

punked · February 5, 2009

Yeah one thing 30 years ago is all the time. Anything drastic and I'll join the SSPX movement or Traditional Catholicism for the laymen. If you think we'll be marrying gays with female priests you're dreaming. The conservative arm of the Church is very strong. So go and keep preaching the benefits of homosexuality and how much you enjoy it, be sure to let your priest know that you find homosexuality to be wonderful and that abortion is your idea of a wonderful form of showing your love for human life. They don't take orders from wannabe Catholics such as yourself, Thank God. You'd have homosexuals being married, abortion taught as being blessed by God, etc. No thank you. If I knew your name I'd have you excommunicated. You aren't Catholic. You're an agent provocateur

You would have me excommunicated you make me laugh soooooo much.

"I am Mr. Canada I am going to join SSPX a catholic church which can't absolve of my sins becuase they spit in the popes face in 1988. I am going have you excommunicated for being pro choice and thinking gays should be equal."

News flash they didn't excommunicated Paul Martin, 60% of North American Catholics are pro choice, and maybe not in your life time but your childerns we will see a progressive Pope.

Don't worry my priest knows my name and he knows my views. You really know nothing about our church do you?

Know what give me your email and every Sunday after we both get home from church we can cover the basics.

Edited February 5, 2009 by punked

Mr.Canada · February 5, 2009

The Holy Catholic Cgurch listening to the Spirit is hippy crap? Acknowledging the grave sin of anti-semitism and those grave sins that were pograms, discriminatory laws, forced conversion is hippy crap? The acknowledgement of the HISTORICAL PROVEN FACT of the Holocaust is hippy crap?
Feel free to join the SCHISMATIC and un-Catholic SSPX any time you want.

Wanting to have abortion, female priests and gay marriage in the Church is hippy crap.

Do it I dare you. Either the progressives like myself will win the battle in the church or the church will die a slow death which saddens me.

Either you belief the teachings or you don't. If you don't you need to leave The Church as you're wasting your time. Go be Protestant we don't need you.

"To be in the state of grace you must embrace what the Church embraces, you have to embrace the faith of the Church, and you're not free to receive the Eucharist if you don't embrace the faith of the Church. This is St. Paul, this is St. Justin, this is the whole history of the Church."

SOURCE

You have no business taking the Eucharist. Everytime you do is a sin. You need to confess that you like homosexuality and love abortion.

Edited February 5, 2009 by Mr.Canada

CANADIEN · February 5, 2009

Either you belief the teachings or you don't. If you don't you need to leave The Church as you're wasting your time.

Good advice. Follow it and leave..

You have no business taking the Eucharist. Everytime you is a sin.

Stop talking to yourself.

ToadBrother · February 5, 2009

Stay out of it atheist! This is between me and punked, we're believers you wouldn't understand and cannot relate.

But you just finished basically saying he wasn't a believer.

I think you're getting spooked that everything knows you are now in defiance of your own Church on the Holocaust. This is what you've unleashed on yourself. Maybe it's time for you to publicly recant.

And I'll bloody well post where I like, thank you very much.

punked · February 5, 2009

You claim you "support the Jews"... while wishing they and the Arabs would just kill each others; blaning them as a whole for the death of Christ, and quoting numbers put forward by Holocaust deniers. Yeah right..
I sure would like to see where "the Red Cross" claims that there were only 1 million deaths in the camps. It is most certainly not on the Web of the International Committee of the Red Cross. Numbers quoted on their site do not add up to just one million. One example:

90% of more than 1.5 million... than more than 1 350 000 people right there, in one camp. Surely, the Red Cross would not be quoting such numbers if the KNEW they were overblown, now would they?

As for the actual numbers, estimates range from 4 to 6 million Jewish victims, from all over Europe. Search Shoah and Holocaust, and you will get those numbers plenty of times. You may even find a 1956 quote from Adolf Eichmaann, the SS officer who was in charge of the logistics of the genocide, in which he expressed how happy he was to have killed 5 000 000 Jews.

The Red Cross might have issued those numbers but I think they were Russian numbers from right after the war before they knew what actually happened.

Mr.Canada · February 5, 2009

But you just finished basically saying he wasn't a believer.
I think you're getting spooked that everything knows you are now in defiance of your own Church on the Holocaust. This is what you've unleashed on yourself. Maybe it's time for you to publicly recant.

And I'll bloody well post where I like, thank you very much.

.

Stay quiet Atheist. This a quibble between believers not hell bound heretics such as yourself.

Mr.Canada · February 5, 2009

The Red Cross might have issued those numbers but I think they were Russian numbers from right after the war before they knew what actually happened.

I threw it out there as a possibility, that's all. We must question everything.

punked · February 5, 2009

But you just finished basically saying he wasn't a believer.
I think you're getting spooked that everything knows you are now in defiance of your own Church on the Holocaust. This is what you've unleashed on yourself. Maybe it's time for you to publicly recant.

And I'll bloody well post where I like, thank you very much.

To be fair when Catholics do wrong they only have to ask God for forgiveness.

punked · February 5, 2009

I threw it out there as a possibility, that's all. We must question everything.

I have seen the number let me see what I can find pretty sure there is a crazy story behind it which makes it seem like a really poor estimate.

Mr.Canada · February 5, 2009

To be fair when Catholics do wrong they only have to ask God for forgiveness.

Only if they confess and make efforts not to commit the same sins over and over. For example you cannot perform abortions and partake in sodomy daily punked and expect to not be excommunicated.

ToadBrother · February 5, 2009

I threw it out there as a possibility, that's all. We must question everything.

Including Catholic doctrine?

ToadBrother · February 5, 2009

Only if they confess and make efforts not to commit the same sins over and over. For example you cannot perform abortions and partake in sodomy daily punked and expect to not be excommunicated.

When is the last time you ever heard of anyone being excommunicated for sodomy?