jdobbin Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories The Vatican said Saturday that Benedict rehabilitated the four as part of his efforts to bring Lefebvre's Society of St. Pius X back into the Vatican's fold.But the move came just days after one of the four, British Bishop Richard Williamson, was shown in a Swedish state TV interview saying that historical evidence "is hugely against 6 million Jews having been deliberately gassed." Looks like this priest's reinstatement will hurt Catholic-Jewish relations in a large way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) deleted as it is off topic Edited January 25, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Has their ever been proof of 6 mil ever dying? Red Cross marked it at around 1 million just after the war as there were only 7 million Jews on the entire planet at that time. When Israel was created it had an opening population of 6 million... Do you really go the denial route? That being said hopefully these people can go about and bring more souls to Jesus Christ. Is that where the dead went in the Holocaust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Has their ever been proof of 6 mil ever dying? I'll be sure to add that to your list of socialist ramblings regarding Jewish people and Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) No, no I'm not denying anything. Everyone here on this forum likes to have credible cites. I'd like one as well please from a subjective source that has counted the bodies of six million people. The Red Cross actually had done the math and have reported 1 million deaths in the camps. I can give a cite if needed. Can you? I'll be sure to add that to your list of socialist ramblings regarding Jewish people and Israel. I fully support the Jews and Israel but the math of that one thing doesn't add up unless I've been reading the wrong cites. Edited January 25, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 No, no I'm not denying anything. If you already believe it, then you shouldn't need proof. Either you believe the truth, or you're denying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 If you already believe it, then you shouldn't need proof. Either you believe the truth, or you're denying it. You want cites of almost everything I say. I'm asking for the same treatment. Post a cite please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 The Holocaust was the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of approximately six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its collaborators. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=...duleId=10005143 Nobody counted. The difference between your posts and mine, is that yours usually argue against established truths, where mine rarely do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=...duleId=10005143Nobody counted. The difference between your posts and mine, is that yours usually argue against established truths, where mine rarely do. Obviously it happened, I'm not that foolish. I just dislike how the hard subjects are beyond reproach and discussion. Truths established by whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Truths established by whom? Society. Hard subjects aren't beyond discussion, you simply have to go about such discussion carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 No, no I'm not denying anything. Everyone here on this forum likes to have credible cites. I'd like one as well please from a subjective source that has counted the bodies of six million people. The Red Cross actually had done the math and have reported 1 million deaths in the camps. I can give a cite if needed. Can you? Even the commandant of Auschwitz had a hard time pegging the counts at his prison. It was only in 1983 that some of the numbers of people actually deported to the camp started to really take shape. Quite simply, the Red Cross numbers didn't even compare to what the commandant said at the Nuremberg trials. He personally thought that nearly 3 million died at his camp alone but he was not sure because there was so many. I fully support the Jews and Israel but the math of that one thing doesn't add up unless I've been reading the wrong cites. You have been reading the wrong cites. The Pope in his anxiousness to embrace conservatives in his church has re-opened the schism of Jewish-Catholic relations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Society. Hard subjects aren't beyond discussion, you simply have to go about such discussion carefully. I was trying to make a point that the number cannot be cited, which it really can't but it's not coming out right so I'm going to leave it alone now. It's tough to discuss as it's peoples lives we're talking about and it doesn't really matter. It was a terrible atrocity, I'll leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 The Pope in his anxiousness to embrace conservatives in his church has re-opened the schism of Jewish-Catholic relations. Well you aren't Catholic so I'm not sure what it has to do with anyone who isn't Catholic to be honest. How does this effect your life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted January 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Well you aren't Catholic so I'm not sure what it has to do with anyone who isn't Catholic to be honest. How does this effect your life? When high up Catholics dismiss that Jews were gassed in World War II, it opens up the whole can of worms of antisemitism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) No, no I'm not denying anything. Everyone here on this forum likes to have credible cites. I'd like one as well please from a subjective source that has counted the bodies of six million people. The Red Cross actually had done the math and have reported 1 million deaths in the camps. I can give a cite if needed. Can you?I fully support the Jews and Israel but the math of that one thing doesn't add up unless I've been reading the wrong cites. You claim you "support the Jews"... while wishing they and the Arabs would just kill each others; blaning them as a whole for the death of Christ, and quoting numbers put forward by Holocaust deniers. Yeah right.. I sure would like to see where "the Red Cross" claims that there were only 1 million deaths in the camps. It is most certainly not on the Web of the International Committee of the Red Cross. Numbers quoted on their site do not add up to just one million. One example: For over one and a half million people – 90 per cent of them Jews - Auschwitz marked the last stage of an unspeakable ordeal. (source) 90% of more than 1.5 million... than more than 1 350 000 people right there, in one camp. Surely, the Red Cross would not be quoting such numbers if the KNEW they were overblown, now would they? As for the actual numbers, estimates range from 4 to 6 million Jewish victims, from all over Europe. Search Shoah and Holocaust, and you will get those numbers plenty of times. You may even find a 1956 quote from Adolf Eichmaann, the SS officer who was in charge of the logistics of the genocide, in which he expressed how happy he was to have killed 5 000 000 Jews. Edited January 25, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) delete Edited January 25, 2009 by CANADIEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I was trying to make a point that the number cannot be cited, which it really can't but it's not coming out right so I'm going to leave it alone now. It came the way you wrote it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Obviously it happened, I'm not that foolish. I just dislike how the hard subjects are beyond reproach and discussion. Truths established by whom? Truths established by historians... real ones, not Holocaust deniers. By comparing the Jewish population before and after WWII, examing the records left by the Nazis (those they didn't destroy, that is), examining statements made vy Nazi officials both while free and in captivity, recording or examining testimonies left by the survivors. The claim that oonly a few hundred thousands Jews diied during WWII, and that tere was not a systematic attempts at extermining them is not just discussing or challenging known fact. It is an odious, hateful and racist LIE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Well you aren't Catholic so I'm not sure what it has to do with anyone who isn't Catholic to be honest. How does this effect your life? Well, I am a Catholic and I for one I am not in favour of welcoming back the Lefebvre heretics at any cost, especially Holocaust deniers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Well, I am a Catholic and I for one I am not in favour of welcoming back the Lefebvre heretics at any cost, especially Holocaust deniers. Catholics are against gay marriage and abortion. You're for these things so you aren't Catholic. People who like those things should be excommunicated. Being baptized doesn't make one Catholic. One must live their faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Like other Nazi sympathizers, Bishop Williamson has to deny the Holocaust to justify his anti-Jewish stance expressed in this editorial written during the Gulf War in 1991: However, until they re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jewish world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ's throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. But, should it really be a surprise to anyone that Pope Benny wants to rehabilitate Nazi-sympathizing priests? He was a member of the Hitler Youth, and when he turned 16, he was drafted into the youth wing of the German Army. If his membership was against his will, as his supporters maintain, one thing is for certain - he did not rebel and actively resist the Nazis, as the previous pope did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Catholics are against gay marriage and abortion. You're for these things so you aren't Catholic. People who like those things should be excommunicated. Being baptized doesn't make one Catholic. One must live their faith. Really, you must have missed those postings of mine stating my knowledge that life begins at conception. Or the one where I said that true marriage is between a man and a woman. As for being a ture Catholic... It is not compatible with being anti-Semite, homophobic and hateful. Three things you are proving to be about every time you post. BTW, before you speak of excommunication, do yourself a favour and go take a peak at the Code of canon Law. I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Like other Nazi sympathizers, Bishop Williamson has to deny the Holocaust to justify his anti-Jewish stance expressed in this editorial written during the Gulf War in 1991:However, until they re-discover their true Messianic vocation, they may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jewish world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ's throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West. But, should it really be a surprise to anyone that Pope Benny wants to rehabilitate Nazi-sympathizing priests? He was a member of the Hitler Youth, and when he turned 16, he was drafted into the youth wing of the German Army. If his membership was against his will, as his supporters maintain, one thing is for certain - he did not rebel and actively resist the Nazis, as the previous pope did. Joseph Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI, became a member of the Hitler's Youth at age 14; at that time, membership was mandatory for all Germans upon reaching that age, and he refused to attend any meeting. He was enrolled in the Army at age 16, and deserted at age 17. I am not the biggest fan of the current Pope, but the "Benny is a Nazi" line is getting a bit tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Really, you must have missed those postings of mine stating my knowledge that life begins at conception. Or the one where I said that true marriage is between a man and a woman.As for being a ture Catholic... It is not compatible with being anti-Semite, homophobic and hateful. Three things you are proving to be about every time you post. There are a lot of people here, I thought you were one of the socialists. I was mistaken and I apologize, I'm sorry CANADIEN. I'm not any of those things. It's not anti-semitic to disagree at times with people and want to have discussion. What makes the Jewish people and Israel above ever being criticized and discussed as any other group is? I fully support Israel and all its people but that doesn't mean they are above criticism at times. Just as any other group is open and should be criticized and discussed if the need arises. I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle and choose to longer live in Toronto because of it. Again, not agreeing with a social group and their views and criticizing them doesn't make me automatically against and hateful of them. Everything should be open to discussion free of being labeled by people for wanting to criticize and discuss any topic. So again, it isn't hateful to discuss and criticize any group. As Smallc mentioned, some topics must be handled carefully but should still be discussed. I think everything should be discussed and everyone open to criticism. To not do so is to live in a totalitarian state, which Canada isn't at this time but it's getting closer every day. Edited January 25, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Joseph Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI, became a member of the Hitler's Youth at age 14; at that time, membership was mandatory for all Germans upon reaching that age, and he refused to attend any meeting. He was enrolled in the Army at age 16, and deserted at age 17. I am not the biggest fan of the current Pope, but the "Benny is a Nazi" line is getting a bit tired. Yes, I completely agree. People know these facts but keep trying to label him. It's really sad that an extremely Holy man who devoted his entire life to Christ is having his life reduced to one idealistic thought. Really sad how people can openly label this man and call him horrendous things that aren't even close to being true while important topics are not being discussed and criticized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.