Sir Bandelot Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Now that President Obama has ordered Guantanamo closed down, all prisoners will be either released or sent to detention in other countries. Omar Khadr should be returned to Canada and set free. He was 15 years old when he was taken prisoner in AFghanistan. There is no proof that he killed an American, and the trial has now been ordered halted by President Obama. After 5 years, will he be set free, as are his rights under Canadian law? And if so, can he then sue the Canadian government, and maybe the US as well, for illegal detention, maybe even torture? Edited January 22, 2009 by Sir Bandelot Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Omar Khadr should be returned to Canada and set free. He was 15 years old when he was taken prisoner in AFghanistan. There is no proof that he killed an American, and the trial has now been ordered halted by President Obama.After 5 years, will he be set free, as are his rights under Canadian law? And if so, can he then sue the Canadian government, and maybe the US as well, for illegal detention, maybe even torture? So you take the side of a person who is a member of a known terrorist group who hated Canada and the west and was involved in the war? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
M.Dancer Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 After 5 years, will he be set free, as are his rights under Canadian law? And if so, can he then sue the Canadian government, and maybe the US as well, for illegal detention, maybe even torture? Even if he for some bizarre reason is aquitted of murder, there is still the issue of being involved with terrorists which is still a crime. Hopefully he will die on his own accord. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Progressive Tory Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Omar Khadr should be returned to Canada and set free. He was 15 years old when he was taken prisoner in AFghanistan. There is no proof that he killed an American, and the trial has now been ordered halted by President Obama.After 5 years, will he be set free, as are his rights under Canadian law? And if so, can he then sue the Canadian government, and maybe the US as well, for illegal detention, maybe even torture? Yeah! Too bad it took an American to protect a Canadian's rights, while our own government would rather feed him to the wolves. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Sir Bandelot Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) So you take the side of a person who is a member of a known terrorist group who hated Canada and the west and was involved in the war? I did not take anyones side. Just thinking, it could be like what happened to Maher Arar... Arar case has set a precedent. If Omar Khadr is not guilty, he has the right to pursue his legal options. If his detention was illegal, I believe it cannot be excused, any more so than any other law gets excused. Edited January 22, 2009 by Sir Bandelot Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 So you take the side of a person who is a member of a known terrorist group who hated Canada and the west and was involved in the war? With that logic we could say that our soldiers hate Afghans and the Middle East and are involved in a war. You can be a victim of circumstance. Our soldiers go where our government tells them to go, whether they believe it's a noble cause or not. Were the French Resistance terrorists? They were being invaded and fought back. War is war. That's why I hate it. He deserves a fair trial and not in the court of public opinion. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Sir Bandelot Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Posted January 22, 2009 Yeah! Too bad it took an American to protect a Canadian's rights, while our own government would rather feed him to the wolves. Yeah this situation has put Harper in a bit of a tight spot, hasn't it... now he's the odd man out, idoelogically speaking. He supported Gitmo, let's not forget that. First thing Obama does,? Close Gitmo! Now Harper is like the lap-dog, without a master. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Were the French Resistance terrorists? They were being invaded and fought back. War is war. That's why I hate it. . Some were, most were not. On the same token the Germans also engaged in terrorism. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Keepitsimple Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Now that President Obama has ordered Guantanamo closed down, all prisoners will be either released or sent to detention in other countries.Omar Khadr should be returned to Canada and set free. He was 15 years old when he was taken prisoner in AFghanistan. There is no proof that he killed an American, and the trial has now been ordered halted by President Obama. After 5 years, will he be set free, as are his rights under Canadian law? And if so, can he then sue the Canadian government, and maybe the US as well, for illegal detention, maybe even torture? He should be thankful to the Americans for saving his life. He was seriously wounded as a combatant on the battlefield and could have/should have been left there to die. Whether of not he actually threw the grenade, the soldier that was killed was an American Medic. Instead of leaving him to die, the Americans wanted to see if they could get any information from him....so they saved his life. Make no mistake - he was the enemy and although he may have been 15 at the time, who would know that on the battlefield. Guns and grenades are just as effective in the hands of a 15 year old. It would have been much simpler if he would have died on the battlefield. Edited January 22, 2009 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Mr.Canada Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I did not take anyones side. Just thinking, it could be like what happened to Maher Arar... Arar case has set a precedent.If Omar Khadr is not guilty, he has the right to pursue his legal options. If his detention was illegal, I believe it cannot be excused, any more so than any other law gets excused. All right fair enough, I apologize I thought you were exclaiming your glee with this wonderful human being. You weren't you were just throwing it out there to talk about. Sorry. That being said. If he wants to fight the west in a war as he did he should be stripped of his citizenship and shipped back to Afghanistan. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Progressive Tory Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Yeah this situation has put Harper in a bit of a tight spot, hasn't it... now he's the odd man out, idoelogically speaking. He supported Gitmo, let's not forget that. First thing Obama does,? Close Gitmo! Now Harper is like the lap-dog, without a master. I see an Obama/Ignatieff administration as a meeting of minds; intellectual equals. The Bush/Harper administration was more like Puppet Master and Puppet. Unfortunately, the Puppet Master was an idiot. Edited January 22, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Moonbox Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Yeah! Too bad it took an American to protect a Canadian's rights, while our own government would rather feed him to the wolves. I would be happy to let someone like him be eaten. He's not Canadian. Don't even try to say he is. He is nothing to me. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I see an Obama/Ignatieff administration as a meeting of minds; intellectual equals.The Bush/Harper administration was more like Puppet Master and Puppet. Unfortunately, the Puppet Master was an idiot. Hahahahahaha. The Harper/Bush reference: Always a staple of the Harper hater with nothing of substance to say. Ignatieff believes in torture and he supported the war in Iraq. How is he like Obama??? More like Ignatieff/Harper is a meeting of minds. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Mr.Canada Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I see an Obama/Ignatieff administration as a meeting of minds; intellectual equals.The Bush/Harper administration was more like Puppet Master and Puppet. Unfortunately, the Puppet Master was an idiot. So in your opinion, it's the best coarse of action to upset our biggest trading partner and best friend based on who's in the White House. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Sir Bandelot Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Who knows, maybe Harper can just as easily change his ideology like you or I would change a dirty shirt... From what I can tell, it doesn't matter whether Stephen Harper likes it or not, they're sticking him on a plane, and that plane is going to land here. Then that plane is going away, and he isn't going to be on it. At that point, he is all our problem! Edited January 22, 2009 by Sir Bandelot Quote
Barts Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 So you take the side of a person who is a member of a known terrorist group who hated Canada and the west and was involved in the war? Let me jump in here. I personally take the side of law and justice. To paraphrase a mantra, if you don't take the side of law and justice, the terrorists win. To cast the Khadr decision in terms of them and us is to do deny the rule of law. Do you, Mr. Canada, deny the supremacy of law? Quote Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd -- Voltaire
85RZ500 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Hm, Obama has his own people to pacify. We can wonder how an American feels about someone old enough to know better grenadeing one of their soldiers, a medic no less. Different avenues of US justice have been hinted at, I wouldn't put the traitor on a plane bound for Canada just yet. And did you hear Ignatief whining about it in the news yesterday, he wants Khadr put back into Canadian society. How popular is that? With that little gem and his hinting at possibly using the coalition, Harper is wise to sit back and let this fool shoot his mouth off. Edited January 22, 2009 by 85RZ500 Quote
DFCaper Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) Omar Khadr should be returned to Canada and set free. He was 15 years old when he was taken prisoner in AFghanistan. There is no proof that he killed an American, and the trial has now been ordered halted by President Obama.After 5 years, will he be set free, as are his rights under Canadian law? And if so, can he then sue the Canadian government, and maybe the US as well, for illegal detention, maybe even torture? Not sure if he should be set free. He would have issues. Starting with the brain washing that made him a terrorist. And I imagine he is also damaged from his time in Gitmo. He should be rehibilitated before a full release. Just because he's not resonsible for being a terrorist, doesn't mean we should ignor the fact he is a Terrorist. Sue Canada for what? For not killing his father before he ruined his son's life? Why should he be sent to Canada? Shouldn't he go to Afganistan, since that's where his crime was commited? Dispite what a lot of people seem to believe, Canadians are subject to foreign laws when they are in the foreign countries. Or should we allow somebody with a Saudi Arabian citizenship beat his wife in Canada because of his citizenship??? This family is another shining example of why we should eliminate Dual citizenship. We are a Terrorist hospital. Having said all that, I am glad that the Americans have moved towards closing Gitmo, as it was WRONG of them to have such a place! Edited January 22, 2009 by DFCaper Quote "Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it" - Hellen Keller "Success is not measured by the heights one attains, but by the obstacles one overcomes in its attainment" - Booker T. Washington
Barts Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 He should be thankful to the Americans for saving his life. He was seriously wounded as a combatant on the battlefield and could have/should have been left there to die. You don't know the Khadr story do you? Khadr was seriously wounded by shrapnel. The Americans first shot him in the back twice.. Then for whatever reason cooler heads prevailed and he was given medical treatment. As well, there's no evidence that Khadr was the person who threw the grenade that allegedly killed Christopher Speers. Keepitsimple, why do you think it is that people post on this site without doing even the minimum necessary research to inform themselves about an issue? It's not as if it is difficult to look up the information. Why would people willfully, in your view, choose to remain ignorant, and from that ignorance condemn other people? Quote Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd -- Voltaire
Sir Bandelot Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Posted January 22, 2009 Even if he for some bizarre reason is aquitted of murder, there is still the issue of being involved with terrorists which is still a crime. Hopefully he will die on his own accord. Why then didn't the US charge him with murder in the past 5 years? I would think it's in their best interest to prosecute, rather than risk sending them to other countries, where their own courts and constitution comes into play. Canada indicated no interest in interfering... they could have ordered the death sentence and Stephen Harper would not have intervened. I hope there is a short trial in which ALL the evidence is brought out, and get this over with. But even if he got free, should he be released? There is evidence that some Guantanomo prisoners returned to the battlefield, where they might even have some kind of hero-status. But thats not likely to happen. He should be allowed to go free, then open a halal shop, or lebanese cuisine on the danforth, where everyone can keep an eye on him! Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Why then didn't the US charge him with murder in the past 5 years? he was charged with murder... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Mr.Canada Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Why then didn't the US charge him with murder in the past 5 years? I would think it's in their best interest to prosecute, rather than risk sending them to other countries, where their own courts and constitution comes into play. Canada indicated no interest in interfering... they could have ordered the death sentence and Stephen Harper would not have intervened. I hope there is a short trial in which ALL the evidence is brought out, and get this over with. But even if he got free, should he be released? There is evidence that some Guantanomo prisoners returned to the battlefield, where they might even have some kind of hero-status.But thats not likely to happen. He should be allowed to go free, then open a halal shop, or lebanese cuisine on the danforth, where everyone can keep an eye on him! I enjoy how the left stands up for terrorists and in the name of personal freedom. Then Ontario is turning more and more into a nanny state with more and more of our personal freedoms being taken away with new laws every year without protest. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Progressive Tory Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Some were, most were not. On the same token the Germans also engaged in terrorism. So did George Bush. The fact that he had bigger guns didn't make him less of a terror. He was just able to kill more innocent people...and he did. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
M.Dancer Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 So did George Bush. I gues it's either you have instances where he engaged in terrorism or you are unclear as to what the definition of terrorism is.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Progressive Tory Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I would be happy to let someone like him be eaten. He's not Canadian. Don't even try to say he is. He is nothing to me. I'm sure you're nothing to him either, but how long have you been a supporter of cannibalism? The fact is, HE IS CANADIAN and as such deserves the rights of all Canadians to a fair trial. It's what puts us above barbarism. (and the whole eating of people) Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
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