Gays spread HIV purposely.

CANADIEN · January 11, 2009

I'm truly sorry that The Church hurt you in some way but that's not to say God is evil, He loves us all. Christian Children are taught what is correct, moral and good.

Unfortunately, as you examplify, some are also taught to hate, and that no amount of misrepresentation of facts is too much.

charter.rights · January 11, 2009

Further I have not been "hurt by the church". They have never held that kind of power over me. Yet I see it for what it is. A place where people who are detached from God come together to share their misery and their consternation. Once one understands the path to Christ, there is no need of the Church, or the fanatical peons that inhabit it.

WIP · January 11, 2009

This is just alarming to say the least. This is what goes on in the homosexual areas of our cities? I find this to be immoral and unacceptable to purposely infect others or to want to be infected.
Well, this is seriously disturbing to say the least. So many paint the homosexuals to be moral and ethical people so I am quite surprised to have learned about this latest wrinkle. Seems that it's possible that perhaps the homosexual lifestyle is more irresponsible and immoral than we were once promised.

And, for what's worth you didn't seem to notice that the article you are quoting from to vilify all gay men does not even purport to claim that a majority of gay men would fit the category of "bug chasers:"

No scientific studies have been done on gay men who are either trying to infect others or become infected. But in 2004, U.S. researchers looked at 24,000 Internet profiles on a website that targets barebackers. Of those, 1,600 said they were either bug-chasers or gift-givers.

So, if I might interject here, they aren't doing a survey of homosexuals in your city, you moron -- they are trying to monitor internet sites that appeal to gay men who are either careless or wreckless. Moving on:

Researchers estimate that up to 45% of gay men are engaging in unprotected sex, he adds.

"To be fair, the majority of HIV-positive people do tell their partners before they involve themselves in any sexual activity. But there are those who don't."

So, exactly how many heterosexuals engage in unprotected sex? I did, more than a few times in my late teens or 20's, I can't remember exactly how many, and fortunately that was before AIDS came along -- nevertheless, heterosexual men are no more moral than homosexuals, the difference is that women are less likely to go along with casual sex than men are, so the problem that gay men have has nothing to do with personal morals, but the simple fact that males are generally more promiscuous than women.

The flipside of the gay AIDS problem is that lesbian women have the lowest rate of HIV and STD infections -- lower than heterosexual women, so does that mean that lesbians are the most moral demographic of society? God seems to think so! After all:

A study of more than 1 million female blood donors found no HIV-infected women whose only risk factor was sex with women

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resour...ets/pdf/wsw.pdf

Get that! Zero, Nada! Sit on that and rotate......and Ontario Loyalist can take turns with you on that stick!

ToadBrother · January 11, 2009

The topic is about homosexuals who spread HIV purposely. It's my topic I should know what it's about. Well I want some cite that says they don't if you want to counter my claim and my cite.

You've just got to be an NDP or Liberal troll. There's no way someone so stupid and hateful could have survived past the 1980s.

WIP · January 11, 2009

You see OL. Anytime you disagree with anything the secular socialists include into their agenda and you get labeled. We must all raise our kids to love homosexuals according to the socialist agenda.
Charter.rights is in for a big surprise on Judgment Day. I truly feel sorry for you. It's your eternal soul, you should reconsider how you have chosen to spend the afterlife. Jesus Christ has the power to forgive all who will worship him and live as He has instructed.

Your vengeful god is in your head, along with your other delusions. You don't have an eternal soul, your brain is your "soul," and it's up to you if you want to use it. You are ruining the only life you have on superstitious nonsense, worried about gaining points through performing rituals and persecuting those who you determine to be unchristian. Heaven is the carrot used to entice people to maintain the rituals and follow the orders of the priesthood, and hell is the stick used to threaten people with for disputing unproven claims or even asking questions. No evidence for divine rewards and punishments here on Earth...that's why they have to be off-loaded to the imaginary world after death -- so that they cannot be proven wrong.

For you, morality is about blindly following arbitrary rules whether they help people or hurt them. Otherwise, you would be supporting gay marriage as a way for gay men to be able to have stable relationships and lessen the problems of casual sex and casual drug abuse. In fact, you offer no solution, just more finger-pointing, as if that does anyone any good. It's just an opportunity for self-righteous pricks to feel better about themselves by denigrating others.

Progressive Tory · January 11, 2009

There is a noted indifference in the "gay community" towards spreading HIV/AIDs, though. Needless to say, homosexuality is the manifestation of an inner self-hate, self-destructive tendancies, and this is just one way in which it works corrupt and undermine others.

WHAT???????????????????????

Progressive Tory · January 11, 2009

You see OL. Anytime you disagree with anything the secular socialists include into their agenda and you get labeled. We must all raise our kids to love homosexuals according to the socialist agenda.
Charter.rights is in for a big surprise on Judgment Day. I truly feel sorry for you. It's your eternal soul, you should reconsider how you have chosen to spend the afterlife. Jesus Christ has the power to forgive all who will worship him and live as He has instructed.

You may be the one in trouble on Judgement Day. You bastardize the teachings of the Prophet Jesus of Nazareth when it fits your narrow minded views, but completely turn against it when you support Jews and Muslims killing each other.

Progressive Tory · January 11, 2009

Hello Mr. Canada. To stay on topic, I think you've missed the point of the article, just as the journalist seems to have missed the intent of Dr. Alderson's statements.

Dr. Alderson is himself a Gay man, so I am pleased that you are a fan. Maybe you're becoming enlightened after all.

http://www.insomniacpress.com/author.php?id=41

Dr. Alderson is a Psychologist who specializes in raising the self esteem of those in the Gay and Lesbian Communities. Again, thank you for helping to raise awareness of his noble cause. His newest book Beyond Breaking Out is a self help bible for those facing discrimination and the pain of homophobic persecution. I've provided a link if you're interested in buying it.

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id...=result#PPA7,M1

Dr. Alderson's comments were made during a Health Sciences conference held in Edmonton in 2007, as a warning to gays (or indeed anyone) to protect themselves. We issue the same warnings to our children not to get in strangers cars, etc.

Knowingly having unprotected sex when you have Aids is a criminal offense for all sexual persuations, so is indeed relevant, when discussing the moralities. I know you'll scream 'cite'...so 'cite':

For some reasons links to these articles didn't work, but you can google them.

HIV-positive man jailed for unprotected sex

Peter Brieger, CanWest News Service

Published: Saturday, January 20, 2007

TORONTO -- An HIV-positive man who had unprotected sex with a pair of women was sentenced Friday to more than 4 1/2 years in prison.

Vancouver Sun on unprotected sex: "The survey turned up 15,488 heterosexual partnerships reported by 9,598 people. For men, 39 percent of these partnerships were casual (defined as "not (yet) regular"), while 20 percent of women's were. Overall, 37 percent of men and 29 percent of women said they used a condom the last time they had sex

Thursday, 8 January 2009 Canada: An HIV-positive Toronto man has been arrested and charged with aggravated sexual assault after it is alleged that he did not disclose his HIV status before having unprotected sex with his female partner

Edited January 11, 2009 by Progressive Tory

CANADIEN · January 11, 2009

You've just got to be an NDP or Liberal troll. There's no way someone so stupid and hateful could have survived past the 1980s.

You're wrong. There are plenty of people like him out there.

Mr.Canada · January 11, 2009

I cannot believe that every post is attacking me and not one post is taking on the scope of the article. Is it because of political correctness that homosexuals can do no wrong and are perfect?

To me it's appalling that some homosexuals would purposely spread a deadly infectious disease, HIV and others would be purposely trying to get infected and no one on MLW sees anything wrong with this practice.

So instead of trying to make this post about hetro HIV why not stay on topic and address the very serious scope of the OP. Bunch of gutless wimps, too afraid to say anything that may make your precious homosexuals look any less then perfect. This is a serious issue if you don't have the guts to discuss it then push on wimp.

Smallc · January 11, 2009

To me it's appalling that some homosexuals would purposely spread a deadly infectious disease, HIV and others would be purposely trying to get infected and no one on MLW sees anything wrong with this practice.

PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY THINK THE PRACTICE IS BAD! NO ONE HAS SUPPORTED IT! Nobody agrees with hetero or homosexuals knowingly spreading HIV. The problem lies with the fact that YOU are trying to make this about gays when in fact it has to do with reckless people who have little regard for others and nothing to do with homosexuals in particular.

Oh, and what in the world is "hetro HIV?" Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?

CANADIEN · January 11, 2009

I cannot believe that every post is attacking me and not one post is taking on the scope of the article. Is it because of political correctness that homosexuals can do no wrong and are perfect?
To me it's appalling that some homosexuals would purposely spread a deadly infectious disease, HIV and others would be purposely trying to get infected and no one on MLW sees anything wrong with this practice.

So instead of trying to make this post about hetro HIV why not stay on topic and address the very serious scope of the OP. Bunch of gutless wimps, too afraid to say anything that may make your precious homosexuals look any less then perfect. This is a serious issue if you don't have the guts to discuss it then push on wimp.

Has anybody here said that gays can do no wrong? Has anybody here said they are perfect? Has anybody here said it is all right for some gay men to pusposely try to infect others with HIV? If so, post the exact words that were said.

What many people are pointing though is that the article you use with such glee in spreading homophobia was written by a GAY man. What they are pointing is the issue of people purposely infecting other people is not just a gay issue. You don't want to admit it, your problem.

Mr.Canada · January 11, 2009

Has anybody here said that gays can do no wrong? Has anybody here said they are perfect? Has anybody here said it is all right for some gay men to pusposely try to infect others with HIV? If so, post the exact words that were said.
What many people are pointing though is that the article you use with such glee in spreading homophobia was written by a GAY man. What they are pointing is the issue of people purposely infecting other people is not just a gay issue. You don't want to admit it, your problem.

See, you're afraid to mention anything that would make it look the homosexuals are less than perfect. You still attack me instead of speaking on the issue of homosexuals purposely spreading HIV and other homosexuals purposely getting infected.

CANADIEN · January 11, 2009

I cannot believe that every post is attacking me and not one post is taking on the scope of the article. Is it because of political correctness that homosexuals can do no wrong and are perfect?
To me it's appalling that some homosexuals would purposely spread a deadly infectious disease, HIV and others would be purposely trying to get infected and no one on MLW sees anything wrong with this practice.

So instead of trying to make this post about hetro HIV why not stay on topic and address the very serious scope of the OP. Bunch of gutless wimps, too afraid to say anything that may make your precious homosexuals look any less then perfect. This is a serious issue if you don't have the guts to discuss it then push on wimp.

If you want to keep the topic to be exclusively about gay men who infect people with HIV, and nothing else, do yourself a favour and follow your own advice, by posting no more statements such as these on this thread:

We must all raise our kids to love homosexuals according to the socialist agenda.

Out of topic, according to YOUR standard, since neither the article you posted nor your original postings referred to it..

Also out of topic is this,

It's your eternal soul, you should reconsider how you have chosen to spend the afterlife. Jesus Christ has the power to forgive all who will worship him and live as He has instructed.

And so is this.

God decided it [homosexuality] was sinful and wrong.

And this...

Human nature says we're attracted to the opposite sex in order to procreate

There are a few more, but I think you get my point. Follow your own advice.

Mr.Canada · January 11, 2009

All that cutting and pasting and still no words condemning the homosexual practice of bug chasing. Incredible that you are so afraid. As I mentioned a few posts up if someone doesn't habve the guts to stay on topic then just move along. I don't need any wimps wasting my time.

CANADIEN · January 11, 2009

See, you're afraid to mention anything that would make it look the homosexuals are less than perfect. You still attack me instead of speaking on the issue of homosexuals purposely spreading HIV and other homosexuals purposely getting infected.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Gay men who purposely infect others are doing something that is dangerous, wrong, and immoral, namely making people sick on purpose.

You will not find a single word in anything I posted here that could lead a reasonable person to the conclusion that I think otherwise.

charter.rights · January 11, 2009

All that cutting and pasting and still no words condemning the homosexual practice of bug chasing. Incredible that you are so afraid. As I mentioned a few posts up if someone doesn't habve the guts to stay on topic then just move along. I don't need any wimps wasting my time.

I'd be glad to show you the door if you want to leave...now....We don't need morons wasting our time....

We have disproved every argument you have tried to put forth and you still go on your homophobic rants. There is nothing left to be said. You lose. Gays and lesbians are no different than heterosexuals and often when one segment of society is found behaving in risky behavior, it is nothing but a microcosm of the entire society. Risky behavior is not exclusive and it is even committed by Priests and Christians who think they are God.

IF you had children, you would have absolutely no control over their becoming homosexual. If you tried to influence their tendencies chaances are you would create a murderous, baby-killing monster. Which do you prefer? A gay son or a convicted killer in your household?

CANADIEN · January 11, 2009

All that cutting and pasting and still no words condemning the homosexual practice of bug chasing. Incredible that you are so afraid. As I mentioned a few posts up if someone doesn't habve the guts to stay on topic then just move along. I don't need any wimps wasting my time.

Any practice that deliberatly seek to make other people sick is wrong, immoral and criminal, and the cutting and pasting illustrate that YOU ccannot stay on topic, so follow your own advice.

Topaz · January 11, 2009

IF gay men are really doing this then why haven't they been before the courts and gone to jail. The only male I know of that has gone to jail for spread AIDS, is a straight guy that spread to 3-6 women, knowing full well, he had the disease and this happened in Windsor On within a couple years ago.

Mr.Canada · January 11, 2009

:lol:
Gay men who purposely infect others are doing something that is dangerous, wrong, and immoral, namely making people sick on purpose.

You will not find a single word in anything I posted here that could lead a reasonable person to the conclusion that I think otherwise.

7 pages and you're the first one to condemn the actions of some of the homosexuals who do this. Thank you, finally. Now we can start having a discussion. Btw, I'm being serious and not being silly, for a change, when discussing this I really want to understand it.

Why do you think makes these homosexuals become bug-chasers? I don't understand the reasoning behind giving oneself a death sentence. Is it self hatred of themselves and their lifestyle choice or something else?

CANADIEN · January 11, 2009

IF gay men are really doing this then why haven't they been before the courts and gone to jail. The only male I know of that has gone to jail for spread AIDS, is a straight guy that spread to 3-6 women, knowing full well, he had the disease and this happened in Windsor On within a couple years ago.

Some gay men are doing it. I think some have gone to jail. I also believe gay victims may be fearful of coming forward about it. But it happens.

CANADIEN · January 11, 2009

7 pages and you're the first one to condemn the actions of some of the homosexuals who do this. Thank you, finally. Now we can start having a discussion.

7 pages, and plenty of people have said it was wrong. Plenty of people have also acknowledged the fact that this type of behaviour is far from being exclusive to gays, and that that FACT cannot be ignored.

Want to know why some gay men (not many gay women, interestingly enough) engage in that type of behaviour? Is it because they're gay? If so, why is it that some heterosexual men do the same?

There is no denial that far too many gays and lesbians experience self-hatred. But self-hatred is like hatred; it is not "innate" in anyone. If it was, how do you explain a GAY doctor warning other gays about dangerous practices? Self-hatred is taught. And in this case, the lesson does not come from God.

Edited January 11, 2009 by CANADIEN

Mr.Canada · January 11, 2009

The scope of the article and therefore this post is about homosexuals and their penchant for unprotected anal sex and spreading and contracting of HIV purposely. Let's keep the dialogue along these lines please.

Smallc · January 11, 2009

Let's keep the dialogue along these lines please.

Why? Why should we do that? There's no reason when discussing the reckless spreading of HIV that we should confine our comments to homosexuals.

Mr.Canada · January 11, 2009

Why? Why should we do that? There's no reason when discussing the reckless spreading of HIV that we should confine our comments to homosexuals.

That's why I made this topic, to point out that homosexuals and their penchant for unprotected anal sex and spreading and contracting of HIV purposely. As the article states. So if you cannot speak about this topic just go away.