WIP Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Ah a stumbling block!Your sense, or a scientist's sense of understanding the world around you COULD be wrong. .Sure, the scientific method or any other method of discovery could be wrong. Y ou could be a brain in a vat, something like the Matrix movies -- how would you know if the sensations you experience through vision, hearing, touch, smell and taste are real, or you've been wired up to the virtual reality computer and you are living in a simulated world....the point is nothing we receive can be declared to be absolute truth; we make cognitive maps of both ourselves and the world around us, and finding truth is a process of verifying and cross-referencing different streams of information to arrive at something we can personally have confidence in as being the most plausible answers. It's a question of what are you going to use to base your understanding of the world on. I'll stick by the scientific method until someone comes up with a better way of finding real answers. ...as I stated before they have been wrong about the definition of death a number of times before and I would maintain that they still don't understand it fully since they approach only from a physical examination. Defining death has more to do with the legal system than it does with science! It's not a matter of being WRONG -- it's a question of how a society wishes to judge personhood. If a person is "brain-dead", meaning cessation of all brain activity, including the limbic system and the brainstem -- not many people are going to argue with that -- however, since modern discoveries in neuroscience have reached a justifiable conclusion that consciousness depends on having a functioning higher brain (cerebral cortex); should a person in a persistent vegetative state be considered alive or dead? They no longer have the higher brain regions needed for consciousness, but they can still physically exist, since the brain stem still functions to keep the heart beating and maintain breathing. It then becomes a question of is this a life worth living? I make no such claims that the mind is independent from the body. The two co-exist. However, thought neither is "invented" by the mind nor does it statically disappear moments later. So, are you telling me that these thoughts you have just expressed, were not created in your mind? Were they out there in the ether? And does this mean none of your thoughts are original, since all thoughts are immortal aspects of the cosmos? Energy is the common thread and our bodies at the quantum level are nothing but energy. Therefore we are part of something much more than the physical vessels we inhabit. New age psychobabble always starts tossing energy and quantum around to make meaningless statements sound profound. Put away the Deepak Chopra books and read some real general audience physics books by people like Michiou Kaku or Brian Greene, to put quantum mechanics and subatomic physics in its proper perspective. The truth is even more amazing than the psychobabble nonsense in these new age pseudoscience books. Now let's break it down: 'our bodies are nothing but energy' because ALL matter is nothing but energy! That was the whole point of Einstein's energy/mass conversion equation E = MC sq. -- matter can be converted into energy and vice versa. You don't even have to add quantum magic to it. They are carefully choreographed by our thoughts and our free will is the cause of every experience we have or had - even as simple as walking down the street, choosing whether to turn right or left on a whim, and being hit by a truck. We have a sense of having complete free will, and we have to have moral accountability to maintain the social order; but if you are claiming that free will means that your choice to walk down the street or turn left or right were uncaused, and not part of a physical causal chain, you need a non-physical entity -- a mind that is separate from the body to make it happen. Otherwise your free will choices are determined by the total physical state your brain was in, including genetics and the totality of your life experience. These hidden influences that determine the state of 'free will' are unconscious and outside of our immediate awareness, so we may feel that we are totally free agents acting as we choose, unaware of the physical causal chain that has led to a free will choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 This is a growing and disturbing trend among homosexuals. The gay community needs some positive role models to look upon and strive towards. Maybe the transient lifestyles of so many gay men and their inability to form lasting relationships is not helped by the lack legal recognition and protection for the relationships they enter in to. Perhaps they need access to the legal right to establish permanent, protected, dependable relationships.....they need THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 The gay community needs some positive role models to look upon and strive towards. For once, you got spmething right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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