Israel Strikes the Gaza Strip

[tamtam10]

As most of you probably already know by now, Israel has begun a huge offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. I found a really great articles that gives an overview and history of the conflict between Israel and the Gaza Strip and what is happening right now. You can see the article here:

http://informedvote.ca/2008/12/israel-stri...s-need-to-know/

Which alternative from the article do you think Israel should follow, if any?

[LesterDC]

if they really want peace, a full-blown invasion would probably be the WORST idea.

I'm quite disappointed to see that the North American opinion concerning the Arab-Israeli conflict is oh so ever biased..

[DogOnPorch]

if they really want peace, a full-blown invasion would probably be the WORST idea.

I'm quite disappointed to see that the North American opinion concerning the Arab-Israeli conflict is oh so ever biased..

Really? One look at the various CBC comment forums show that uninformed opinions exist on all sides.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/12/29/gaza-attacks.html

Scroll to the bottom.

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Days will prove that the assassination policy will not finish the Hamas. Hamas leaders wish to be martyrs and are not scared of death. Jihad will continue and the resistance will continue until we have victory, or we will be martyrs.

---Sheikh A. Yassin: founder HAMAS

[LesterDC]

Really? One look at the various CBC comment forums show that uninformed opinions exist on all sides.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/12/29/gaza-attacks.html

Scroll to the bottom.

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Days will prove that the assassination policy will not finish the Hamas. Hamas leaders wish to be martyrs and are not scared of death. Jihad will continue and the resistance will continue until we have victory, or we will be martyrs.

---Sheikh A. Yassin: founder HAMAS

Too bad an opinion without much influence could hardly be taken into consideration.. Unfortunately, GWB, Harper and our foreign minister believes that the attacks are justified..

[DogOnPorch]

Too bad an opinion without much influence could hardly be taken into consideration.. Unfortunately, GWB, Harper and our foreign minister believes that the attacks are justified..

They are.

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Ho-Ho-Ho---Green Giant.

[bush_cheney2004]

They are.

...with a cherry on top.

[LesterDC]

They are.

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Ho-Ho-Ho---Green Giant.

The deaths of 300 Palestinians could not be justified.. How many people have died because of the Palestinian rocket attacks? Is the direct assault of a local Palestinian drug store justified? No, it is against the Geneva Convention.. Sure, the Palestinian attacks are illegitimate as well but an eye for an eye will perpetuate this conflict for an eternity..

[Cameron]

If Gaza borders Egypt as well, why do they have such problems with shortages....the Israelis aren't blocking that border.

[bush_cheney2004]

The deaths of 300 Palestinians could not be justified.. How many people have died because of the Palestinian rocket attacks? Is the direct assault of a local Palestinian drug store justified? No, it is against the Geneva Convention.. Sure, the Palestinian attacks are illegitimate as well but an eye for an eye will perpetuate this conflict for an eternity..

So which eye should blink first?

Hmmmm...let's see...Hamilton would just be in range from Caledonia, Ontario for a well made Qassam 3.

[bush_cheney2004]

If Gaza borders Egypt as well, why do they have such problems with shortages....the Israelis aren't blocking that border.

Ah, but alas, your impeccable logic will not win over a bleeding heart.

[scribblet]

...with a cherry on top.

Absolutely !!!

What’s a proportionate response, Israel continually lobbing rockets into Palestine on a daily basis, or, a proportionate response to Palestine's wish of the complete elimination of Israel. In that case Israel's proportionate response would be complete elimination of Palestine.

[LesterDC]

In that case Israel's proportionate response would be complete elimination of Palestine.

Then don't give me that "we want to co-exist peacefully" bullshit

[DogOnPorch]

The deaths of 300 Palestinians could not be justified.. How many people have died because of the Palestinian rocket attacks? Is the direct assault of a local Palestinian drug store justified? No, it is against the Geneva Convention.. Sure, the Palestinian attacks are illegitimate as well but an eye for an eye will perpetuate this conflict for an eternity..

Here we go with PC-speak when it comes to war. Asking if things are 'justified' or 'legitimate' are about as stupid as handing out speeding tickets at Daytona. War isn't fair.

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It is frequently a misfortune to have very brilliant men in charge of affairs. They expect too much of ordinary men.

---Thucydides

[LesterDC]

Here we go with PC-speak when it comes to war. Asking if things are 'justified' or 'legitimate' are about as stupid as handing out speeding tickets at Daytona. War isn't fair.

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It is frequently a misfortune to have very brilliant men in charge of affairs. They expect too much of ordinary men.

---Thucydides

Everything has rules.. even Daytona.. It's called order. So I suppose you do not agree with the international laws? You could employ your argument in support of Hitler's conquest over Europe or imperial Germany..

It's a shame that we have these things now.. We have to respect human rights? What gives?

Edited December 30, 2008 by LesterDC

[DogOnPorch]

Ahhh...to be sitting in a trench during the Battle of Stalingrad and having this conversation.

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The ironing is delicious.

---Bart Simpson

[bush_cheney2004]

Everything has rules.. even Daytona.. It's called order. So I suppose you do not agree with the international laws? You could employ your argument in support of Hitler's conquest over Europe or imperial Germany..

...but not the British Empire? Seems that Hitler can never get a break!

It's a shame that we have these things now.. We have to respect human rights? What gives?

Why?

[LesterDC]

Ahhh...to be sitting in a trench during the Battle of Stalingrad and having this conversation.

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The ironing is delicious.

---Bart Simpson

Yes, a battle fought about 67 years ago.. Let us use this primitive barbaric attitude as a benchmark for future generations..

[LesterDC]

...but not the British Empire? Seems that Hitler can never get a break!

please, what's next? you want me to list every single wartime atrocity ever committed in human history?

Besides, we both know that Hitler was much more despicable than the British Empire..

Why?

Because we are all humans.. Why should the political leaders have the power to lead if they refuse to protect the ones who gave them power?

[bush_cheney2004]

please, what's next? you want me to list every single wartime atrocity ever committed in human history?

Besides, we both know that Hitler was much more despicable than the British Empire..

But that is exactly my purpose...to demonstrate that your parsing exercise is futile in the end. Why do you hold Israel to a higher standard than the British...or Americans....or even Canadians engaged in mortal conflict?

Because we are all humans.. Why should the political leaders have the power to lead if they refuse to protect the ones who gave them power?

Because leaders must make choices.....or we will find new leaders.

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, a battle fought about 67 years ago.. Let us use this primitive barbaric attitude as a benchmark for future generations..

Last I checked, war is still just a continuation of government policy by other means. My point is, if you were at Stalingrad, you'd want your tanks/guns/planes to blast the living f**k out out of the enemy. Period. I doubt your thoughts would be drifting to if it is fair or not to use maximum force to win the battle. You'd be calling for more artillery.

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Given the same amount of intelligence, timidity will do a thousand times more damage than audacity.

---Karl von Clausewitz

[LesterDC]

But that is exactly my purpose...to demonstrate that your parsing exercise is futile in the end. Why do you hold Israel to a higher standard than the British...or Americans....or even Canadians engaged in mortal conflict?

The British Empire about 67 years ago compared with modern day Israel? Anyhow, so if the British fail to act morally, the Israelis should have no reason to?

Because leaders must make choices.....or we will find new leaders.

And so we must find new leaders when they fail to protect humanity

[bush_cheney2004]

The British Empire about 67 years ago compared with modern day Israel? Anyhow, so if the British fail to act morally, the Israelis should have no reason to?

I have news for you.....your lofty moral standard is still being violated by the "British Empire". Again, why do you hold Israel to a higher standard (e.g. Operation Allied Force in Serbia/Kosovo).

And so we must find new leaders when they fail to protect humanity

Humanity doesn't need protection from itself.

[LesterDC]

Last I checked, war is still just a continuation of government policy by other means. My point is, if you were at Stalingrad, you'd want your tanks/guns/planes to blast the living f**k out out of the enemy. Period. I doubt your thoughts would be drifting to if it is fair or not to use maximum force to win the battle. You'd be calling for more artillery.

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Given the same amount of intelligence, timidity will do a thousand times more damage than audacity.

---Karl von Clausewitz

Soldiers are only the chess pieces, they do not make holistic decisions.. It is up to the government to think of the proper policies..

Besides, sure, adrenaline can cloud up the conscience.. but this is hardly the case.. Israeli air strikers.. does that compare to the fear of the 1942 Russian soldier?

[bush_cheney2004]

Seems that the residents of Gaza live better than many more millions in SubSaharan Africa. So where are the rockets?

[LesterDC]

I have news for you.....your lofty moral standard is still being violated by the "British Empire". Again, why do you hold Israel to a higher standard (e.g. Operation Allied Force in Serbia/Kosovo).

Are you implying that the British Empire should set the standard for the world?

Humanity doesn't need protection from itself.

I meant human rights