Religious Right in Canada

[punked]

Wait you never named a law.

[Smallc]

A Christian living his or her faith is a religious nut?

No, but a Christian trying to push his views onto others.....

[Mr.Canada]

No, but a Christian trying to push his views onto others.....

I am? How am I forcing others to believe as I do?

...and punked, I never said there was.

[punked]

At any rate, our laws are certainly based on Biblical law. In fact, other than perhaps Iran and Saudi Arabia, I don't think there are any countries that can meaningfully claim to have legal codes based on Mosaic Law.

And then went on to tell me I was wrong and uneducated for saying Saudi Arabia is closer to these laws then us.

[Smallc]

I am? How am I forcing others to believe as I do?

You want a religious state, you want the laws to be based on religion, you want everyone to believe as you, and if they don't they're wrong. You have said things to this effect many many times.

[punked]

You want a religious state, you want the laws to be based on religion, you want everyone to believe as you, and if they don't they're wrong. You have said things to this effect many many times.

He does not even know what his church teaches so I don't think he knows what laws the state would be based on.

[Mr.Canada]

You want a religious state, you want the laws to be based on religion, you want everyone to believe as you, and if they don't they're wrong. You have said things to this effect many many times.

I've never said this. Pure fantasy.

[Black Dog]

A Christian living his or her faith is a religious nut?

In my book, anyone who lives their life according to the imaginary wishes of a fictitious sky being is ipso facto a nut.

[scribblet]

No, but a Christian trying to push his views onto others.....

Doesn't that also go for non Christians or atheists et al, they want their views pushed on the others. It's all a matter of everyone having a voice, and the gov't trying to please everyone.

You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all the time.

[punked]

Doesn't that also go for non Christians or atheists et al, they want their views pushed on the others. It's all a matter of everyone having a voice, and the gov't trying to please everyone.

You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all the time.

Yah there is very little common between atheists and non Christians besides a belief in secularism.

[Mr.Canada]

In my book, anyone who lives their life according to the imaginary wishes of a fictitious sky being is ipso facto a nut.

That obviously includes MP's from all political parties as well. Hrm, not many that don't.

[Black Dog]

That obviously includes MP's from all political parties as well. Hrm, not many that don't.

And?

[Smallc]

Doesn't that also go for non Christians or atheists et al, they want their views pushed on the others.

What I'm talking about applies to anyone who tries to push their beliefs on others. Mr Canada can believe what he wants. He has stated many times that he things that we should return to the ways taught in the bible. I don't accept that.

[Mr.Canada]

And?

Wow, Black Dog/ I must say I'm impressed with your conviction so far. You really hate all religion that much?

[Progressive Tory]

Religion has no place in politics. I heard a great quote, can't remember where but it was directed at a Republican. "Sir, you put you hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not put your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible". The Religous Right is wrong, wrong, wrong. They cherry pick the bible to fit their beliefs and expect everyone else to go along.

[eyeball]

NAME A LAW WHICH ORIGINATED IN THE BIBLE???

None.

Morris is right. Our laws are based on morals that originated in the bible. Unquestioning faith in obedience to authority, from God on down through the Crown and Throne, and in particular anyone sitting to the Right-hand side of it, is one such moral, and probably the most important one in some minds.

I'm pretty sure this is why the nun's tied my wife's left hand behind her back when she was a little girl in school.

Oh well, at least they didn't cut off her fingers. I guess we should thank God and count our blessings at how advanced and humane our religous conservatives are compared to others.

[punked]

Morris is right. Our laws are based on morals that originated in the bible. Unquestioning faith in obedience to authority, from God on down through the Crown and Throne, and in particular anyone sitting to the Right-hand side of it, is one such moral, and probably the most important one in some minds.

I'm pretty sure this is why the nun's tied my wife's left hand behind her back when she was a little girl in school.

Oh well, at least they didn't cut off her fingers. I guess we should thank God and count our blessings at how advanced and humane our religous conservatives are compared to others.

Again you are making the claim there were no morals before the Bible.

[eyeball]

Hmmmm...you lost me with that one...

I'm pretty sure this is my first post in this thread and I doubt I would claim anything like that in any case. I would probably have said ethics preceded morals or something. I think ethics are a reflection of evolving social behavior. Morals, especially in the case of the bible, seem more like an attempt to lock or restrict evolution to certain well defined points. Like the point at which the people who get to wear crowns and order everyone else around benefit the most.

[gordiecanuk]

You're speaking largely about Protestantism as they practice Sola Scriptura. RC's don't do this. A common misconception of many. Just wanted to clarify for you.

Yeah I know MC, thanks..."its a mystery". I'm reading Angela's Ashes right now.

[Mr.Canada]

Yeah I know MC, thanks..."its a mystery". I'm reading Angela's Ashes right now.

No mystery at all.

Protestants = Scripture only

Catholics = Scripture + Tradition + leadership council

[punked]

Catholics=Whatever the Pope says.

[gordiecanuk]

No mystery at all.

Protestants = Scripture only

Catholics = Scripture + Tradition + leadership council

Of course, it depends on the interpertation. Some take things literally.

[ToadBrother]

Of course, it depends on the interpertation. Some take things literally.

Some people take certain things literally. For instance, some people will say homosexuality should be illegal, but when asked if witches should be executed as commanded by the Bible, begin mumbling about how that was necessary at the time, but Jesus came to fulfill the Law, so whatever laws are to heinous for even the most literalistic of Christians suddenly no longer applies.

In short, no one actually literally interprets the entire Bible. The debate, as it has been since the earliest days when various Christian factions argued about the nature of Christ's divinity, is more about how passages should be read, and in what context. A great deal of Christian theology, Protestant and Catholic, is in fact simply Aristotlean.

[gordiecanuk]

Some people take certain things literally. For instance, some people will say homosexuality should be illegal, but when asked if witches should be executed as commanded by the Bible, begin mumbling about how that was necessary at the time, but Jesus came to fulfill the Law, so whatever laws are to heinous for even the most literalistic of Christians suddenly no longer applies.

In short, no one actually literally interprets the entire Bible. The debate, as it has been since the earliest days when various Christian factions argued about the nature of Christ's divinity, is more about how passages should be read, and in what context. A great deal of Christian theology, Protestant and Catholic, is in fact simply Aristotlean.

Rome adopted, amended and regulated the Christian faith...in many ways to Christianity's detriment...and no amount of reformation has been able to expunge some of their mistakes. As Mark Twain once said, "If Jesus were alive today, he wouldn't call himself a Christian".

[whowhere]

Rome adopted, amended and regulated the Christian faith...in many ways to Christianity's detriment...and no amount of reformation has been able to expunge some of their mistakes. As Mark Twain once said, "If Jesus were alive today, he wouldn't call himself a Christian".

aha aha, have you read the New Testament/Gospel Donkey?? READ IT!! Then come back. Yes, they called themselves Christians and Jesus postured himself as God!! Anyone who has read the books will understand why Jesus was crucified. Not a shock. Jesus was an assault on the laws of moses and the practices of the children of Isreal.