Our Neighbours Could Be Terrorists!

[-VMG-]

It wasn't a random security check on me... i was nervous... 20 year old kid flying executive class ( for 2 dollars more than economy woohoo ) ... that stayed in costa rica for 4 months... They thought i must have been a drug mule... with an assload (literally) of drugs... luckly i answered the questions to their satisfaction (sort of) and never got any cavity searches done... i swear she was 1 step away before they let me go...

I still don't think more security measures are going to make Canada more secure... They will find a way in... and the ones we are worrying about are the ones that would slip through security anyways..

[mjp]

This whole terrorism and fear mongering is all BS, made to make you feel scared and accept your real id card in the usa or rfid, because its the only way to really track the terrorists.

the whole real id was quietly implemented in canada over the last 10 years anyways.

[Alta4ever]

Weather?

Which would like to take hot or cold

[Smallc]

I really dislike cold.

[Alta4ever]

I really dislike cold.

Darn, with the advent of arenas it doesn't need to get to terribly cold

[tamtam10]

I think a lot of you are missing the point that even though there has been no terrorist attack as a result of infiltration through the Canada/US border, something like that could happen, and we should act BEFORE for once. We always seem to act after it's too late.

[punked]

I think a lot of you are missing the point that even though there has been no terrorist attack as a result of infiltration through the Canada/US border, something like that could happen, and we should act BEFORE for once. We always seem to act after it's too late.

That is called the Bush doctorian and it is what lead to Iraq. It was dumb then and it is dumb now. With out any proof I am not in anyway sold. Seriously come up with something other then, THEY MIGHT ME HERE MAYBE CLOSE DOWN ALL THE BOARDERS AND SEND INNOCENT PEOPLE TO SYRIA and we might talk.

[Smallc]

I think a lot of you are missing the point that even though there has been no terrorist attack as a result of infiltration through the Canada/US border, something like that could happen, and we should act BEFORE for once.

What should we do? Should we break our own principles and laws?

[capricorn]

I think a lot of you are missing the point that even though there has been no terrorist attack as a result of infiltration through the Canada/US border, something like that could happen, and we should act BEFORE for once.

LAX bombing plot

Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian living in Canada, planned to bomb Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). He was arrested at Port Angeles, Washington after crossing by ferry from Victoria, British Columbia, on December 14, 1999. Customs officials then found nitroglycerin and four timing devices concealed in a spare tire well of his automobile. He and three other Algerians stood trial for the crime. Ressam began cooperating with investigators in 2001. On July 27, 2005, he was sentenced to 22 years in prison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_millennium_attack_plots

The system worked then and probably would again.

[bush_cheney2004]

What should we do? Should we break our own principles and laws?

You already have....with Security Certificates.

[tamtam10]

That is called the Bush doctorian and it is what lead to Iraq. It was dumb then and it is dumb now. With out any proof I am not in anyway sold. Seriously come up with something other then, THEY MIGHT ME HERE MAYBE CLOSE DOWN ALL THE BOARDERS AND SEND INNOCENT PEOPLE TO SYRIA and we might talk.

You say without proof you aren't in anyway sold. Canada being a safe haven for terrorists is a well-known fact. You can look at the following list of terrorist organizations active in Canada published by Public Safety Canada:

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/ns/le/cle-eng.aspx

Not once did I imply that we should do anything radical that resembles the Bush doctorian. What I implied, and what the article implies, is that we should protect our border to prevent the same type of thing that happened in Mumbai. Protecting our border would not violate anyone's rights or be nearly on the same scale as an invasion into Iraq.

[-VMG-]

What determines whether some living in Canada is a terrorist?

Recent known affiliation with terrorist organizations?

Known affiliation with Osama Bin Laden?

If they know that there are all these so called terrorists in Canada why haven't they gone after them already?

Or are they just speculating since we let so many people into the country that the chances that someone was a terrorist, has known affiliation with terrorist organizations, or was formerly a terrorist has entered the country is high, they just don't know who they are.

Maybe thats the question we should be asking... if they know that this is true... how come they haven't acted?

[AngusThermopyle]

The system worked then and probably would again.

I love this kind of statement. Based solely upon speculation with absolutely no hard facts to support it, the big give away is of course the word probably.

How can you possibly make such an all encompassing statement in good faith? The simple fact is that people are very good at figuring out ways to circumvent systems. Your statement implies that those who would wish to do us harm would be too dammned stupid to figure out a way to do it.

The simple fact is that the system in place is widely known to be in place and as such is vulnerable to circumvention. Far better to be alert and looking for ways to improve the system than just say "oh well, it worked before it'll work again.

Isn't it uncomfortable sticking your head in the sand? Doesn't it get in your eyes and mouth and nose?

[Smallc]

You already have....with Security Certificates.

I never said I was hapy about it, but if you want to get technical, we passed a new law to allow for ignoring of the old law...and now...I don't like the idea.

[Army Guy]

I can not believe there are still people who believe that terrorism is not a problem here in Canada. AngusThermopyle and others are right, not only should we be concerned but demanding someone take more action to control these scumbags.....and if it means a few more minutes at the airport or the border crossing so be it....i'd rather donate my time there and feel safe when boarding a plane than find myself looking at a barrel of a pistol, with some terrorist that has strapped explosives to his chest, at 30,000 feet....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_attacks_in_Canada

Anti Defamation league

Tamil tigers.

But we are Canadians, and we not only turn the other cheek, we stick our head in the sand, leaving our asses sticking in the wind for these scumbags to pound us when ever they feel like it...we need to put the blame on those that are responsable, for those delays at inconvinences we are forced to endure....we need to piont that finger at those that become involved with terrorists....

We live with terrorist everyday, shit there is a movement in Canada to protect known terrorists and thier families, the Khadrs comes to mind....just once i like this nation to grow some balls and say enough is enough it is time to protect the ordinary citizens of Canada and send these scumbags packing....I'd like to see the Khadrs faces as they stepped off the plane in Afganistan, welcome to your new country....you know the one, that your father died for,that your sons risked everything for....

The terrorist are more familar with our laws and regulations or lack of, than most of our citizens hence why they are here, not only raising funds but training , gather up arms to futher thier cause in some forgotten land, to spread thier grief and terror on others... we need to wake up and smell the coffee....we need to draw a line in the sand, and just say your not welcome...heres your plane ticket back to the place you came....pack up your kids, your relatives, your entire pile of shit and get out.... thanks for coming out but the game is over....

After all are we not at war with all terrorism...

[capricorn]

I love this kind of statement. Based solely upon speculation with absolutely no hard facts to support it, the big give away is of course the word probably.

I responded to Tamtam who said we should act before a terrorist plan is put into effect. I pointed to the millenium bomber as an example of a foiled plot as a result of increased security vigilance.

Your statement implies that those who would wish to do us harm would be too dammned stupid to figure out a way to do it.

I am not so naive as to think terrorists are stupid and are not consistently plotting to do us harm.

The simple fact is that the system in place is widely known to be in place and as such is vulnerable to circumvention. Far better to be alert and looking for ways to improve the system than just say "oh well, it worked before it'll work again.

I agree security systems must be fluid and, must adapt to changing information and situations. Where did I state or imply that the present security systems are adequate and don't need improvement?

[-VMG-]

Just because there is more security and more checks doesn't mean they are going to catch everyone.. and they won't catch everyone.

Look at me i can create fear too.

What exactly are we looking for when they are entering Canada? Known terrorists? What about the Unknown terrorists.... the sleeper cells... the expertly trained terrorists that will be able to pass any test we send at them.

The ones that you can catch with your methods are the ones that are not really a threat to national security.... the ones that do pose a threat to national security are the ones that won't be caught even if you do put more security measures in.

We're not talking a few minutes to cross the border.. or enter the airplane... if you wanted the most effective way it would be hours.

[punked]

There is just so many better places our money can go instead of chasing white rabbits.

[AngusThermopyle]

I agree security systems must be fluid and, must adapt to changing information and situations. Where did I state or imply that the present security systems are adequate and don't need improvement?

Sorry Capricorn. I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying we shouldn't do or change anything because it worked once already

There is just so many better places our money can go instead of chasing white rabbits.

Okay Punked, how about you tell us why ensuring the safety of Canadian citizens is a white rabbit? While you're at it maybe you can lay out a few of those better uses for us?

[Mr.Canada]

Oh i love fear mongering... it makes me warm inside.

You've been doing exactly that since you joined VMG. So I believe that you do like it, haha.

Seriously though this a bit of a stretch OP.

[capricorn]

Sorry Capricorn. I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying we shouldn't do or change anything because it worked once already

Hey Angus, I don't always express my thoughts/ideas clearly and I tend to be too concise with my words. I welcome anyone here to take issue with what I say and how I say it.

[punked]

Sorry Capricorn. I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying we shouldn't do or change anything because it worked once already

Okay Punked, how about you tell us why ensuring the safety of Canadian citizens is a white rabbit? While you're at it maybe you can lay out a few of those better uses for us?

How about you tell us why if you are so scared of these terrorist, and that they are so abundant why haven't you caught any. You want to spend your money in this way great do it. Don't however spend limited Canadian funds on something you have yet to prove there is problem.

This isn't about safety, this is about a failing health system, education system, and a war which has cost billions. The government told me there is not enough money in the future and they will have to sell off government assets, strip civil servant unions of their right to strike and take away government funding from political parties. Now you think we should redirect money from those underfounded programs and put into hunting down pretend people? You tell me why you hate the old sick and our troops aboard and I will tell you why "why ensuring the safety of Canadian citizens is a white rabbit?" Ohhhhh political redirect it makes all sound stuipd but at least I know it sounds stuipd you actually think I want the terrorist to win.

[wulf42]

How about you tell us why if you are so scared of these terrorist, and that they are so abundant why haven't you caught any. You want to spend your money in this way great do it. Don't however spend limited Canadian funds on something you have yet to prove there is problem.

Punked you really need to pull your head out of the sand....this country is full of terrorist's it is common knowledge. On Sept 10/2001 the Americans likely thought the same as you!! wake up for Crists sake these people need to be found and captured or killed , i can't believe how many people in this country are so naive...."What terrorists??? where's the proof??? what can we do???" Silly passive Canadian attitude needs to change ... give me a break already people can t be that stupid they just can't. Of course they are here because they can move around easily in this country...CSIS ,CIA, RCMP say are here they are here!!

Oh and here is your proof!!! where's yours??

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/featur...50-c87a2a244531

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10663276/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2...s_terroris.html

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/...rror/index.html

Edited December 9, 2008 by wulf42

[punked]

Punked you really need to pull your head out of the sand....this country is full of terrorist's it is common knowledge. On Sept 10/2001 the Americans likely thought the same as you!! wake up for Crists sake these people need to be found and captured or killed , i can't believe how many people in this country are so naive...."What terrorists??? where's the proof??? what can we do???" give me a break already people can t be that stupid they just can't. Of course they are here because they can move around easily in this country...CSIS ,CIA, RCMP say are here they are here!!

Oh and here is your proof!!! where's yours??

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/featur...50-c87a2a244531

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10663276/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2...s_terroris.html

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/...rror/index.html

This is all I need to tell you to go fly a kite.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/

HAHAHA your links are laughable. 3 links saying we are catching terrorist, so the system now is working, and one from the guy who wrote the Patriot act. That is your proof that our system is failing thanks but no thanks.

Edited December 9, 2008 by punked

[wulf42]

This is all I need to tell you to go fly a kite.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/

oh but you conviently left out all the terrorist's that were arrested and were guilty.........lol, no surprise!!