Left wing hypocrisy

[Smallc]

Private hospitals will only blow public hospitals out of the water in competition.

Just a quick correction. As far as I know, most hospitals in Canada (if not all) are private companies, either non profit or charitable organizations. They are publicly funded though for the most part and I agree with the rest of what you say.

[LesterDC]

Just a quick correction. As far as I know, most hospitals in Canada (if not all) are private companies, either non profit or charitable organizations. They are publicly funded though for the most part and I agree with the rest of what you say.

Right. Sorry, just a small semantics issue..

[Goat Boy©]

If people in the USA would get insurance neither would they be.

Poor argument. HMO = Hand money over. Lot's of people pay their premiums year in year out, only to find they aren't covered by technicality.

[Mr.Canada]

Poor argument. HMO = Hand money over. Lot's of people pay their premiums year in year out, only to find they aren't covered by technicality.

Yeah it is. I'm no fan of the American system at all. I prefer universal health care but I want it to include a second tier of coverage that would ensure even better care for those willing to pay a nominal user fee per month. It would lessen the strain on the single tier system and would reduce wait times greatly for everyone.

I had an MRI this morning and had to wait a month to get an appt. Maybe this wait would have been shortened if we had 2 streams of public health care instead of just one bottle necked one.

[Goat Boy©]

Yeah it is. I'm no fan of the American system at all. I prefer universal health care but I want it to include a second tier of coverage that would ensure even better care for those willing to pay a nominal user fee per month. It would lessen the strain on the single tier system and would reduce wait times greatly for everyone.

I had an MRI this morning and had to wait a month to get an appt. Maybe this wait would have been shortened if we had 2 streams of public health care instead of just one bottle necked one.

Perhaps regulate time worked? Doctor has to work minimum X hours in public system, and Y hours in private? I just don't know about this, it's a slippery slope, but the current system is an obvious failure. Hard to take a position.

[Smallc]

but the current system is an obvious failure.

I'm really not sure where people get this idea from.

[Mr.Canada]

I'm really not sure where people get this idea from.

Canadian doctors, nurses and other health professionals are fleeing to the US in record numbers.

This is a sign of a wonderful and perfect system in Canada? They have a strange way of showing it.

It's so great they just have to leave because they cannot face the extreme success of our system? That must be it.

[Smallc]

Canadian doctors, nurses and other health professionals are fleeing to the US in record numbers.

Last I heard, that is less the case now than it was before. I know that the numbers of doctors in my province has increased every year for the last 5 or so.

[Goat Boy©]

Last I heard, that is less the case now than it was before. I know that the numbers of doctors in my province has increased every year for the last 5 or so.

Because America is bleeding to death. OK, perhaps our system isn't a failure, but it certainly isn't a success. I can't think of a single thing the government operates that doesn't have a massive capacity for improvement before it can even start to call itself, efficient.

[Smallc]

I can't think of a single thing the government operates that doesn't have a massive capacity for improvement before it can even start to call itself, efficient.

That's the case with almost everything that people do in general, private or public. Our system isn't a failure. Yes it can be improved, but its certainly not a failure. Oh, and since when are we "bleeding to death"?

[LesterDC]

There is certainly room for improvement.. However, we are probably doing a lot better than the Americans..

There was a speech by Tommy Douglas in '79 that showed Tommy's disappointment in the system. He said that not enough attention was being paid towards keeping the hospitals competitive in quality. He also wanted to expand medicare into dentistry and pharmaceutics.

[Mr.Canada]

There is certainly room for improvement.. However, we are probably doing a lot better than the Americans..

There was a speech by Tommy Douglas in '79 that showed Tommy's disappointment in the system. He said that not enough attention was being paid towards keeping the hospitals competitive in quality. He also wanted to expand medicare into dentistry and pharmaceutics.

Why is everyone so afraid of a two tier system?

Pay a fee and get better care. Don't pay and get the same care you get now.

I don't see the problem.

[bush_cheney2004]

Why is everyone so afraid of a two tier system?

Pay a fee and get better care. Don't pay and get the same care you get now.

I don't see the problem.

Correct...Canada already has a two tier system.

There goes another car with Manitoba plates headed for the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN.

[Oleg Bach]

They just opened a nice executive type clinic north of the city. AND private corporate ensurance along with the public stuff will pay the tab...It's to make sure our corporate management stay healthy so they can continue to be big producers....produce what I don't really know...in the mean time you can't find a private doctor to befriend and have that good old fashioned "family doctor" - what we have now are walking clinics and the emerg department ...it makes you feel like you are lined up in some African country waiting in a room full of disease...it's overtaxed and struggling and hugely wasteful - how about you send us back OUR doctors...we can give them some public housing and a bus pass.

[bush_cheney2004]

...it makes you feel like you are lined up in some African country waiting in a room full of disease...it's overtaxed and struggling and hugely wasteful - how about you send us back OUR doctors...we can give them some public housing and a bus pass.

I will tell them, but I think they are making too much money and paying less tax performing boob jobs on flat chested Yanks. Remember, you are doing your civic duty by suffering longer wait times. Tommy Douglas would be proud of you. It makes you so much better than the barbaric Americans, and assures a reserved seat in mapleleaf heaven.

[Oleg Bach]

I will tell them, but I think they are making too much money and paying less tax performing boob jobs on flat chested Yanks. Remember, you are doing your civic duty by suffering longer wait times. Tommy Douglas would be proud of you. It makes you so much better than the barbaric Americans, and assures a reserved seat in mapleleaf heaven.

I complained about a head pain - They knew I might need an MRI - she said to me - you will have to wait for 8 months - If it was serious I would be stroked out - by then... and would have been panhandling to suppliment my government bonus money. She did mention I could by pass the sytem by going into the big city emerg and get the scan immediately - but that would have taken a lot of good acting.....OH - did I tell you about the time 20 years ago when I acted my way out of the drunk tank....It was quite the feat faking a heart attack - but it was cold and I wanted my blankey.

[Wild Bill]

Why is everyone so afraid of a two tier system?

Pay a fee and get better care. Don't pay and get the same care you get now.

I don't see the problem.

It doesn't work like that. They are really afraid of a NON-UNION health care system!

We could have private clinics and private hospitals, paying them exactly the same for each procedure as a public hospital. Still covered by the Health Care Act and no paying for something out of your own pocket. THAT is what the left is really fighting against! Most provinces rigorously ban or severely limit private clinics.

The left knows that private clinics and hospitals are likely to run much more efficiently for the same funding. They will fight to the death to avoid such a situation.

Meanwhile, us ordinary joes don't care a whit about a clinic being union or non-union. We just want the care!

[Oleg Bach]

Unionized cleaners and non-unionized cleaning staff at hospitals everywhere don't clean properly...and you are taking your chances going into hospital..If the procedure does not kill you the filith will. To much focus is put on the monitary with in our "healing" institutions...but there is hope...One doctor said to me..." I get up in the morning and look into the mirror and remind myself that I do this because I want to help people" - I wish there were more of her! The system is so big and complex and hard to manage that people are not there to help people but to help themselves - that is the failing of our public health system. It's the attitude that can be descrived as utlitarian selfishness. We are not far behind the Americans who treat sickness as a buisness.

[Smallc]

We could have private clinics and private hospitals,

We already have both.

[Smallc]

There goes another car with Manitoba plates headed for the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN.

I would think that the Mayo will have to get used to seeing fewer Canadians when the Edmonton Clinic opens up. They will be sent in far fewer numbers on the government's bill for sure.

[bush_cheney2004]

I would think that the Mayo will have to get used to seeing fewer Canadians when the Edmonton Clinic opens up. They will be sent in far fewer numbers on the government's bill for sure.

Let's hope so, but when it gets down to the short strokes, Canadians flee south or abroad. No time to dick around with what may be in the future.

[Mr.Canada]

It doesn't work like that. They are really afraid of a NON-UNION health care system!

We could have private clinics and private hospitals, paying them exactly the same for each procedure as a public hospital. Still covered by the Health Care Act and no paying for something out of your own pocket. THAT is what the left is really fighting against! Most provinces rigorously ban or severely limit private clinics.

The left knows that private clinics and hospitals are likely to run much more efficiently for the same funding. They will fight to the death to avoid such a situation.

Meanwhile, us ordinary joes don't care a whit about a clinic being union or non-union. We just want the care!

I never thought of that. That's a very good point and now that I think about it I doubt if they even care about the people and the care they get as long as the union keeps their iron grip over the staff.

Nice post.

[Smallc]

Let's hope so, but when it gets down to the short strokes, Canadians flee south or abroad. No time to dick around with what may be in the future.

The vast majority never have to leave or even consider leaving. You make it seem as if every Canadian goes down to the Mayo Clinic for care.

[Mr.Canada]

The vast majority never have to leave or even consider leaving. You make it seem as if every Canadian goes down to the Mayo Clinic for care.

The mayo Clinic is very expensive. I know I can't afford it and many are like me, middle class. Public and semi public systems is what's needed. It will drastically cut wait times and Doctors will be less rushed and be able to provide the best care in both the proposed systems.

Edited December 14, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[bush_cheney2004]

The vast majority never have to leave or even consider leaving. You make it seem as if every Canadian goes down to the Mayo Clinic for care.

I said no such thing....you are typically defensive about the obvious when it comes to TommyCare. The "vast majority" isn't good enough....your's is a universal access system...put up or shut up.