Left wing hypocrisy

LesterDC · December 14, 2008

I said no such thing....you are typically defensive about the obvious when it comes to TommyCare. The "vast majority" isn't good enough....your's is a universal access system...put up or shut up.

We could say the same about your system.. There is a significant amount of Americans who are distressed at your system. Can we say that this is the general consensus amongst all Americans? Probably not.

So yes, I would say that the "vast majority" is definitely "good enough".

bush_cheney2004 · December 14, 2008

We could say the same about your system.. There is a significant amount of Americans who are distressed at your system. Can we say that this is the general consensus amongst all Americans? Probably not.

The American system does not have as its goal "universal access". Of all the systems that do in developed nations, Canada's is the most expensive and least effective. France is far better according to key metrics.

So yes, I would say that the "vast majority" is definitely "good enough".

Fine...the rest can do without or go abroad...and many do.

Smallc · December 14, 2008

I said no such thing....you are typically defensive about the obvious when it comes to TommyCare. The "vast majority" isn't good enough....your's is a universal access system...put up or shut up.

Everyone has access to the system. There is no question about that. At times though, there are certain things that are not available here, and in the vast majority of those cases, the system pays to have the treatment delivered in another place.

M.Dancer · December 14, 2008

Last I heard, that is less the case now than it was before. I know that the numbers of doctors in my province has increased every year for the last 5 or so.

Quite right. In the papers last week there was a story...they're coming back inroecord numbers too...

bush_cheney2004 · December 14, 2008

Everyone has access to the system. There is no question about that. At times though, there are certain things that are not available here, and in the vast majority of those cases, the system pays to have the treatment delivered in another place.

Still not good enough...not for Nunavut...not for chronic conditions....and not for choice.

How ironic...the USA's extra capacity for-profit system backs up TommyCare.

bush_cheney2004 · December 14, 2008

Quite right. In the papers last week there was a story...they're coming back inroecord numbers too...

Many are coming from other nations.....brain draining the so called Third World.

Smallc · December 14, 2008

Still not good enough...not for Nunavut...not for chronic conditions....and not for choice.
How ironic...the USA's extra capacity for-profit system backs up TommyCare.

First, the system doesn't promise choice, but we usually have choice in a number of things. Second, Nunavut patients with extreme conditions are flown to Winnipeg and taken to either (usually) the University of Manitoba Health Sciences Centre or the St. Boniface Hospital (though they are sometimes taken to other jurisdictions or facilities within the city). Third, chronic patients relieve excellent care from every indication that I've seen.

bush_cheney2004 · December 14, 2008

First, the system doesn't promise choice, but we usually have choice in a number of things.

Not good enough...see "private health insurance"

Second, Nunavut patients with extreme conditions are flown to Winnipeg and taken to either (usually) the University of Manitoba Health Sciences Centre or the St. Boniface Hospital (though they are sometimes taken to other jurisdictions or facilities within the city).

Please don't shine me on....I read Nunatsiaq News. Very bad conditions as recent as 2005.

Third, chronic patients relieve excellent care from every indication that I've seen.

Yep..until they don't...then it's a run for the border.

Smallc · December 14, 2008

I see, so because our system isn't perfect we should...hmmm...I'm not actually sure what your point is come to think of it.

bush_cheney2004 · December 14, 2008

I see, so because our system isn't perfect we should...hmmm...I'm not actually sure what your point is come to think of it.

Oh...I'm just jerking that tired old "our-health-care-system-is-better" chain. It's a staple around here when things get really boring.

As far as Nunavut, it is far worse than not perfect. But I think you know that already.

LesterDC · December 14, 2008

Oh...I'm just jerking that tired old "our-health-care-system-is-better" chain. It's a staple around here when things get really boring.
As far as Nunavut, it is far worse than not perfect. But I think you know that already.

Actually, while we have our imperfections, I do believe that our system is fundamentally better.

Too bad

Smallc · December 14, 2008

As far as Nunavut, it is far worse than not perfect. But I think you know that already.

Oh, I'm sure that the system in Nunavut isn't very good, but the thing is, it would be bad no matter what country it was located in. Its just a function of being what Nunavut is.

M.Dancer · December 14, 2008

Actually, while we have our imperfections, I do believe that our system is fundamentally better.
Too bad

It is, but still not as good as the French system..which has a means test/ two tier component.

Vrance is cionsistently ranked as numer one in providing access to top rated medical care.

LesterDC · December 14, 2008

It is, but still not as good as the French system..which has a means test/ two tier component.
Vrance is cionsistently ranked as numer one in providing access to top rated medical care.

Yeah, I have seen what kind of government funded programs the French get.. That is hard to top

Edited December 14, 2008 by LesterDC

bush_cheney2004 · December 15, 2008

Oh, I'm sure that the system in Nunavut isn't very good, but the thing is, it would be bad no matter what country it was located in. Its just a function of being what Nunavut is.

That's a cop out.....I didn't set the CHA standard....Canada did.

Smallc · December 15, 2008

That's a cop out.....I didn't set the CHA standard....Canada did.

I never said that work shouldn't be done to improve the situation (and I'm sure that work is being done), I said that its understandable and probably unavoidable that the situation will not be good in comparison to other jurisdictions.

bush_cheney2004 · December 15, 2008

I never said that work shouldn't be done to improve the situation (and I'm sure that work is being done), I said that its understandable and probably unavoidable that the situation will not be good in comparison to other jurisdictions.

That's just one example.....there are many others. If looking for a single payer system, one would use Canada as an example of what not to do.

Smallc · December 15, 2008

If looking for a single payer system, one would use Canada as an example of what not to do.

That's your opinion and nothing else.

bush_cheney2004 · December 15, 2008

That's your opinion and nothing else.

Well that should take care of that...all is well. No criticism is allowed, Mein Fuhrer.

Smallc · December 15, 2008

Well that should take care of that...all is well. No criticism is allowed, Mein Fuhrer.

You weren't really leveling a criticism. You were making a broad and sweeping generalization about an entire system (actually, 13 systems). There is no way to act on such a "criticism."

Smallc · December 15, 2008

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Edited December 15, 2008 by Smallc

bush_cheney2004 · December 15, 2008

You weren't really leveling a criticism. You were making a broad and sweeping generalization about an entire system (actually, 13 systems). There is no way to act on such a "criticism."

The Supreme Court of Canada disagrees with your analysis. As do many other Canadians with the cash to make their own choices.

13 systems is nice.....the Americans have far more.

Mr.Canada · December 15, 2008

Two tier is the wave of the future, catch it.

It's by far the best way to ensure speedy service when needed.

Smallc · December 15, 2008

The Supreme Court of Canada disagrees with your analysis.

Which decision are you referring to? The only one that I know of applies only to Quebec, but as a result of it, you can now buy wait time insurance across the country. I don't see a problem with this at all, and I hope that at some time in the near future, the insurance will be completely useless (it already is for most things in most provinces)

Edited December 15, 2008 by Smallc