Smallc Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Yes it would....there would be universal limitations. That's what sucks. There will always be limitations, no matter what the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 There will always be limitations, no matter what the system. Right...but not for everybody. That's the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Right...but not for everybody. That's the difference. There will also be far more people that sink under capitalism. I'm not even in favour of socialism, but the thing is, there are problems with any system. Whether are not you are willing to accept those problems really depends where you come at things from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 No I'm a tory. There are others who think like this and there are a lot of them. Hence the large amount of people who thought that a coalition with the primary intent of taxing and spending, be rejected. Sorry, I'm living in the right country. Socialism sucks accept it. I'm waiting to hear that from you when you get sick and need your health care. I support capitalism 100% more than I would ever support socialism, but it is necessary to some extent. People are irresponsible and won't plan for eventualities. I would rather pay higher taxes than sit and watch people die because they can't afford health care. If the system worked, it would be great, problem is; it doesn't work. Agree with you 100% on the coalition though. People were calling it, "New libs on the bloc." I call it, "Idiocracy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 There will also be far more people that sink under capitalism. I'm not even in favour of socialism, but the thing is, there are problems with any system. Whether are not you are willing to accept those problems really depends where you come at things from. OK...I care about how intrusive "socialism" would be to save such hapless souls; just don't inhibit individuals who want to thrive. I never got a job from a poor man/woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Yeah and lassez-faire economics sucks too. Let the market run wild with no restrictions and you'll get a subprime mess on your hands. The market needs to be regulated, taxes need to be raised and public money needs to be spent helping people, not feeding the military-industrial complex. That very same military industrial complex that represents what, 6% of the US GDP? I have to say, the extreme left slander get's way farther out there than the right wing equivalent. Here's the part where you throw Haliburton at me, guess what, they haven't made a penny on Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 If done right, socialism wouldn't have to either...in fact it wouldn't suck for anyone. Yes it would. Socialism can't be done right, that's the problem. You can't apply academics to the real world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Socialism can't be done right, that's the problem. The same goes for any system. That's why we don't have unbridled capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 The same goes for any system. That's why we don't have unbridled capitalism. Precisely, you are contradicting yourself now. If done right, socialism wouldn't have to either...in fact it wouldn't suck for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Precisely, you are contradicting yourself now. I was talking in the sense of a perfect world, but your right, it is somewhat of a contradiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I was talking in the sense of a perfect world, but your right, it is somewhat of a contradiction. A perfect world is academia, any system can be perfect there because you can control variables, in the real world you can't. It's also why capitalism is generally so much more stable than socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I was talking in the sense of a perfect world, but your right, it is somewhat of a contradiction. Who cares about a "perfect world"? It may be your ideal.....but please..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 It's also why capitalism is generally so much more stable than socialism. That's not really true being as we don't have pure capitalist system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 That's not really true being as we don't have pure capitalist system. No but Capitalism is much more difficult to take advantage of than socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Yeah and lassez-faire economics sucks too. Let the market run wild with no restrictions and you'll get a subprime mess on your hands. The market needs to be regulated, taxes need to be raised and public money needs to be spent helping people, not feeding the military-industrial complex. Watch an episode of the dragon's den. that's an exercise in capitalism. They only lend if they can make a buck. Why would banks lend money to pieces of shit? Maybe because some leftist fools in congress decided to force banks to lend to skids. No capitalist will lend to scum suckers without assurance they will be paid back. The market is fine as it is without leftists perverting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 There will also be far more people that sink under capitalism. I'm not even in favour of socialism, but the thing is, there are problems with any system. Whether are not you are willing to accept those problems really depends where you come at things from. Wrong far more people sink under socialism, look at venezuela and the other leftist basketcases in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 I'm waiting to hear that from you when you get sick and need your health care. I support capitalism 100% more than I would ever support socialism, but it is necessary to some extent. People are irresponsible and won't plan for eventualities.I would rather pay higher taxes than sit and watch people die because they can't afford health care. If the system worked, it would be great, problem is; it doesn't work. Agree with you 100% on the coalition though. People were calling it, "New libs on the bloc." I call it, "Idiocracy." I support a two tier health care system. Millionaires don't belong in a soup kitchen. I only go to the hospital if something is completely buggered, if there is a waiting list I go to Alberta and use their private clinics. If I get sick, I go to the drug store and pick up some over the counter medicine. Healthy diet and exercise do wonders. Two tier health is the best, no poor people suffer, no waiting lists because those who can afford it can pay their way out of the lists freeing it up for everyone. Also new business opportunities are created. And for the hospitals, that's more tax revenue, which can lead to either more hospitals or tax cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-VMG- Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Generalizations all around wohooo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Wrong far more people sink under socialism, look at venezuela and the other leftist basketcases in the world. There's more to that than political systems. What does Venezuela have to sell? Oil tanks, Venezuela loses. Cuba? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 There's more to that than political systems. What does Venezuela have to sell? Oil tanks, Venezuela loses. Cuba? Agriculture and cheap labour for manufacturing. Too bad those countries are socialist shitholes that nobody in their right mind would invest in. Oh well the people pay for their governments stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Generalizations all around wohooo. Socialism sucks, no generalization there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Agriculture and cheap labour for manufacturing. Too bad those countries are socialist shitholes that nobody in their right mind would invest in. Oh well the people pay for their governments stupidity. Ah yes, I forgot which town it was where the American company owns the rights to the rainwater. There's no denying the fact that they sold their countries to the devil. The simple fact that North America consumes 25% of the world's resources on what, 5% of the population is evidence enough that your well being is earned by somebody else's sweat. Have a care, be thankful for what you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Socialism sucks, no generalization there. Although I'd agree with you that socialism sucks more than capitalism, they both have their ups and downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 Ah yes, I forgot which town it was where the American company owns the rights to the rainwater. There's no denying the fact that they sold their countries to the devil. The simple fact that North America consumes 25% of the world's resources on what, 5% of the population is evidence enough that your well being is earned by somebody else's sweat. Have a care, be thankful for what you have. They pay for those 25%. Also that 5% has bloody earned the right to that. It's not earned by somebody's sweat, it's ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 They pay for those 25%. Also that 5% has bloody earned the right to that. It's not earned by somebody's sweat, it's ours. Me thinks that you need to come to grips with the fact, that all this "wealth," these financial systems, this way of life.......it's all just a smoky illusion, and can drift away at any point. Look what's happening down south, in the utopia of capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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