Coalition Government

[cybercoma]

And then Harper will call an election anyway.

Do you have anything at all to back this up, aside from your own cynicism?

[cybercoma]

The almost certain result of a coallition like this would be a massive boost to the Bloc fortunes in Quebec. Not only would they have succeeded in winning all sorts of goodies for Quebec, but the Liberals would have basically legitimized the BQ as a force within confederation - even though, of course, they would be working the whole time to undermine confederation.

Genius plan, epic fail.

The Liberal Party has been the champion of federalism since the 60s. By legitimizing the sovereigntists that they are fighting, the give themselves job security. Perhaps it is their hope that Canadians will turn away from the Conservative Party, citing Meech Lake and Charlottetown, and put their support behind the Liberal Party when the separatists regain power. Of course, Canadians aren't that stupid, so most of them don't want to see a coalition succeed and cause such a rift.

[sharkman]

And then Harper will call an election anyway.

He's smarter than that, and I think you are too. The GG wouldn't let it happen even if somehow it came to that.

The Ipsos Reid poll on the issue shows the majority of Canadians are against the power grab and now fear for the future of Canada. I'm sure internal polling gave the Liberals this info before it was headlines, but thought they could steal power anyway. How ironic that the Liberal appointed GG shut them down.

[Oleg Bach]

Yes most Canadians have liberal hearts (live and let live) but they also have very lawful and conservative minds - They like rules and order. They actually believe in the power of the vote..because that gives the average person a sense of participitory power - that they are part of the great company of Canada...To have a group of frustrated power mongers with a lust for self glorification...take power with out the participation of Canadians is quite barbaric - whether left or right - poor or rich - Canadians of all stripes will never support a group of men who attempt to take power by force. There is an old lawyer that I know from the seventies who marched against the courts with a group of socialist lawyers and attempted to over throw the system - This capitalistic minded Trotskite - was eventually dis-barred for abusing the system and stealing money from legal aid.............This old man still supports people like Layton..and effects the socialist movement - one thing I know about this type is that he lied and took my hard working brothers money....He made dupe of this hard working father - I do not trust the so-called socialist...They do suffer from material and political greed..I would rather have someone leading the nation who would lie to my face - then lie behind my back...I go with the devil that I know - at least I can compensate for bad behaviour and prepare myself - with OUR left..........they can not be trusted.

[cybercoma]

He's smarter than that, and I think you are too. The GG wouldn't let it happen even if somehow it came to that.

The Ipsos Reid poll on the issue shows the majority of Canadians are against the power grab and now fear for the future of Canada. I'm sure internal polling gave the Liberals this info before it was headlines, but thought they could steal power anyway. How ironic that the Liberal appointed GG shut them down.

If you mean the Liberal appointed GG delayed the power-grab by "shut them down", then I agree. I'm pretty sure they're still going to vote down Harper and the Conservatives at the first opportunity and at that time, I imagine the GG will give them the reigns.

[myata]

I certainly hope that that's what she will do. CPC got a minority mandate, by far not the unlimited imperial privilege. If Harper and his government keep ruling pretending that he's some sort of a king, having no interest in the opinions of others, and kicking them at the first opportunity, there simply must be somebody to tell them, and demonstrate them that they are wrong. In a perfectly legitimate democratic manner.

[cybercoma]

I certainly hope that that's what she will do. CPC got a minority mandate, by far not the unlimited imperial privilege. If Harper and his government keep ruling pretending that he's some sort of a king, having no interest in the opinions of others, and kicking them at the first opportunity, there simply must be somebody to tell them, and demonstrate them that they are wrong. In a perfectly legitimate democratic manner.

But Harper didn't do that, did he?

They came up with a plan to save the taxpayers money. The other parties, in my opinion selfishly, disagreed with that plan and Harper changed it. That doesn't say he has "no interest in the opinions of others", or that he's simply "kicking them at the first opportunity". When parliament disagreed the bill was changed. That's the way the system works and that shows to me that Harper and the Conservatives are flexible and willing to change their policies and negotiate. That the other parties decided to form a coalition and call for the overthrow of the government, tells me that they're taking their ball and going home. They're unwilling to work with the government if it means they need to be flexible and negotiate. They want what they want and if they're not going to get it, it's game over.

[madmax]

But Harper didn't do that, did he?

They came up with a plan to save the taxpayers money. The other parties, in my opinion selfishly, disagreed with that plan and Harper changed it.

There has been no serious plan to date of any kind put forward by the current government. Any serious or real changes, such as you described, would have been presented either 1) Last Monday, or 2) This Monday. But the Government choose to "selfishly" take an early full paid christmas/new years vacation.

Harper doesn't trust his own policies or he would have put them forward. The opposition doesn't trust Harper.

In the meantime, the Anti Coalition vote is closing on the coalition vote.

[blueblood]

He's smarter than that, and I think you are too. The GG wouldn't let it happen even if somehow it came to that.

The Ipsos Reid poll on the issue shows the majority of Canadians are against the power grab and now fear for the future of Canada. I'm sure internal polling gave the Liberals this info before it was headlines, but thought they could steal power anyway. How ironic that the Liberal appointed GG shut them down.

When Harper gets voted down at the end of January, i'm guessing there will be an election. She does not want protestors at Rideau Hall. It's the only fair way to decide if a coalition should take power. There will be a large amount of Canadians voting because this is such a big issue. The coalition is so unpopular, that the GG would be a fool to grant it. The GG would not want her name to be associated with enabling such an unpopular seizure of power, she will grant this election and let the people decide. It's simple logic really. As for Canadians not wanting an election, well lots of Canadians don't want to pay taxes either.

[cybercoma]

There has been no serious plan to date of any kind put forward by the current government.

This makes the coalition look even worse then. You know, since they lost confidence over nothing. Edited December 7, 2008 by cybercoma

[Argus]

There has been no serious plan to date of any kind put forward by the current government.

And you think two weeks - which is the length of time since they were sworn in and new ministers were introduced to their departments, is plenty of time to put together a multi-billion dollar incentive plan which is to aid industries across Canada?

[cybercoma]

And you think two weeks - which is the length of time since they were sworn in and new ministers were introduced to their departments, is plenty of time to put together a multi-billion dollar incentive plan which is to aid industries across Canada?

But they had since 2004 and did NOTHING[/canned_response]

[madmax]

This makes the coalition look even worse then. You know, since they lost confidence over nothing.

It doesn't make the Harper government look good. And the only thing I can be certain of, as I described late last Monday, is that Stephen Harper received an early christmas gift when the Liberals choose Dion to head the coalition. Up to that point, the coalition had the Conservatives on their heels and scared shitless. The coalition looked like they had their shit together with a platform, policy announcements and strategic goals. The provided an economic front of leaders ..... Martin, McKenna, Romanov and Manley, who headed the most fiscally responsible governments Federal and Provincial in modern times. Compare that to Flaherty who doesn't know if he is coming or going and spends more time talking like a politician then acting as the Finance Minister.

The Coalition looks bad, because they choose Dion and he is a f234830 goof. Harper took advantage of the LPC christmas gift and then extended it to all the MPs with a paid vacation, and paid travel and accomodation.

The electorate is an unpredictable lot. If any party becomes good at peeling back the layers of the Finance Ministers incompetence and Harpers petty vindictive streak, while the country is being flushed down the economic toilet, then anything is possible.

Currently the LPC have a Bunch of goofs as Leadership possibilities, so the free ride may continue in spite of Harper.

To compare the leadership of Harper and Dion isn't like comparing Boxing during its modern day peak.

Its not Joe Fraser and Muhammed Ali

Its more like...

Bruce Seldon vs Herbie Hide

Two guys not historic or Memorable.

[cybercoma]

I beg to differ. Stephen Harper's revival of the right is monumental.

[Wild Bill]

Perhaps others read the Post today and saw Ignatief's words about the future of the coalition.

He started off by stating that he was firmly behind the coalition's actions but ended up by saying that Harper had better have a great budget come January or things will get ugly!

Obviously, he's setting up the exit strategy. The coalition's actions so far will have been heroic. If Harper throws them some bones in his budget then they can say they made him cry uncle, for the good of the country that polls show is so against his coalition. No need to bring the government down and take a chance on facing the voters sooner or later.

Aren't politicians such sweet talkers?

[madmax]

And you think two weeks - which is the length of time since they were sworn in and new ministers were introduced to their departments, is plenty of time to put together a multi-billion dollar incentive plan which is to aid industries across Canada?

Cushy government jobs let overpaid people like you sleep on the job. The Conservative government has been ruling since 2006. The economy is the same economy they were sheperding before, during and after the election and the finance minister is the same.

If you can't do your job, which is to govern and to set budgets then get out.

You make excuses. No excuses just results.

You government people are a bunch of babies.

Edited December 7, 2008 by madmax

[madmax]

I beg to differ. Stephen Harper's revival of the right is monumental.

Yeah, and you missed my Libby Davies tribute in another thread

[madmax]

Perhaps others read the Post today and saw Ignatief's words about the future of the coalition.

Hes a goof.

He started off by stating that he was firmly behind the coalition's actions but ended up by saying that Harper had better have a great budget come January or things will get ugly!

I mean typical politician....

Obviously, he's setting up the exit strategy.

Typical Politician erm goof.... I get those words mixed up, but they mean the same thing....

The coalition's actions so far will have been heroic.

I am about to puke. There actions have yet to achieve anything. Let alone anything "Heroic".

Aren't politicians such sweet talkers?

Lying, covering their own asses, blaming the other guy, and trying to hide their incompetence from the public is their #1 priority. The next is keeping their jobs, their perks, their benefits, holidays, pensions, and keeping away from an angry public, is of most importance. Giving a rats ass about Wild Bill and madmax, are the furthest thing on their mind.

You and me could settle more by watching a mud wrestling match and bet on the best T-Shirt to set policy.

I mean if I am going to watch pigs at the trough, slopping around in the mud, I want them to look as good as possible.