Coalition Government

Smallc · November 30, 2008

So if the country is in such a bad economic state and the consumer confidence is so low, why did a local radio station here raise $11,000 more this year in a christmas drive?

What province do you live in? My province hasn't been affected much either, but Ontario and Quebec are floundering, and even your province is down. Something is needed. Nothing was done.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

I've said what I think will happen if this leads to a coalition. Carry on.

And I think if Harper survives that he will continue to show a tin ear to Canadian concerns about the economy. I think he will use it to hurt Ontario because he will blame Ontario's Liberals.

He will let the deficit rise and blame the Liberals for it. He will call an election before the Liberals have a new leader and blame the Liberals for that too.

He will try to play to every advantage that he can get for himself because he is about destruction and being the prince of darkness, the anti-Christ and you tell the angels in heaven you never seen evil so singularly personified as you did in the face of the man who killed you.

Confidence is a fragile thing. Harper would have to grovel and seek forgiveness for being the horse's hind end and ask the Opposition for their help in crafting a plan for stimulus. He doesn't look to be anywhere near doing that.

Instead he is his usual belligerent self and he is probably planning his next attack strategy.

Edited November 30, 2008 by jdobbin

eyeball · November 30, 2008

during bad economic times a steady hand on the tiller is necessary, look at how bad and for how long Bob Rae screwed up Ontario, if indeed they believe the economy is as bad as they say, then they are doing the country a grave disservice by adding political instability at the same time.

I read an oped piece somewhere that described Rae as being a good choice for bad times. He's been there and now he knows not what to do. When uncertainy rules any kind of experience is better than none. Harper is the wrong man for the job of running the country and probably the Conservatives. His forte has been bringing back the Tories, he's a Pit-Bull of a party leader in country that needs a Golden Lab for a PM.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

So if the country is in such a bad economic state and the consumer confidence is so low, why did a local radio station here raise $11,000 more this year in a christmas drive?
I think that many can't tell the difference between media sensationalism in this country and the real news.

The Tories have a tin ear on the economy.

The Conference Board of Canada is one of Canada's best keeper of data on the economy. For their report.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/story....7c-087c0f118953

The board's Index of Consumer Confidence, released Monday, said that after plunging nearly 12 points in October, the slide continued in November across the country, falling another 2.9 point to 71. In 2002, it equalled 100 points.
Regionally, consumer confidence fell in the Prairies by the largest one-month decline on record, where the index fell 7.4 points.

The "I'm alright Jack" approach that some Tories is demonstrated perfectly by your wonder at how there can possibly be a recession going on.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

What province do you live in? My province hasn't been affected much either, but Ontario and Quebec are floundering, and even your province is down. Something is needed. Nothing was done.

Quebec has been floundering since the day I was born. Ontairios chickens have come home to roost. BTW I also see that a deal was offered to GM Chrysler and Ford, but they have to open their books, so their poor fiscal management is known. I love it, because we are not blindly throwing money down a well, wishing for the mess to go away, which you seem to want to do. A real plan must be developed before one cent is spent.

johhny · November 30, 2008

I read an oped piece somewhere that described Rae as being a good choice for bad times. He's been there and now he knows not what to do. When uncertainy rules any kind of experience is better than none. Harper is the wrong man for the job of running the country and probably the Conservatives. His forte has been bringing back the Tories, he's a Pit-Bull of a party leader in country that needs a Golden Lab for a PM.

Harper does lack the experience.....

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

The Tories have a tin ear on the economy.
The Conference Board of Canada is one of Canada's best keeper of data on the economy. For their report.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/story....7c-087c0f118953

The "I'm alright Jack" approach that some Tories is demonstrated perfectly by your wonder at how there can possibly be a recession going on.

So you don't like recessions you like paying 1.40/L for gas. A minor recessesion is a market correction and is good for the economy, and part of the market cycle.

I doubt those egg heads spent much time outside their cubicals over the past week or two.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

Quebec has been floundering since the day I was born. Ontairios chickens have come home to roost.

This is why the Tories should be defeated. They have a visceral hatred of the east.

Harper is prepared to let Ontario slide and blame the Liberals provincially for it.

They have been burned in Quebec and that is why they will try to hurt Montreal as much as possible.

It is all part of Harper's master strategy to driving everyone who opposes him to their knees.

BTW I also see that a deal was offered to GM Chrysler and Ford, but they have to open their books, so their poor fiscal management is known. I love it, because we are not blindly throwing money down a well, wishing for the mess to go away, which you seem to want to do. A real plan must be developed before one cent is spent.

Harper was not interested in any deal till this weekend. He was prepared to let the damage happen out of spite for Ontario and Liberals both provincially and federally.

Edited November 30, 2008 by jdobbin

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

I read an oped piece somewhere that described Rae as being a good choice for bad times. He's been there and now he knows not what to do. When uncertainy rules any kind of experience is better than none. Harper is the wrong man for the job of running the country and probably the Conservatives. His forte has been bringing back the Tories, he's a Pit-Bull of a party leader in country that needs a Golden Lab for a PM.

Rae a good choice because he has learned through experiance what not to do? Really good logic the man who crippled Ontairo, ya good choice.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

So you don't like recessions you like paying 1.40/L for gas. A minor recessesion is a market correction and is good for the economy, and part of the market cycle.

You hope it is a minor recession. Once again the tin ear. This is a great time to invest! That if if you have a job. If you have liquid cash. If you believe that the market is not going to be stagnant for a number of years.

I doubt those egg heads spent much time outside their cubicals over the past week or two.

Well, you have your egghead elected to office. He was an economist.

Smallc · November 30, 2008

A real plan must be developed before one cent is spent.

Nobody said to start throwing money at the problem, they're wondering where the plan is, and why its taking so long.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

This is why the Tories should be defeated. They have a visceral hatred on the east.
Harper is prepared to let Ontario slide and blame the Liberals provincially for it.

They have been burned in Quebec and that is why they will try to hurt Montreal as much as possible.

It is all part of Harper's master strategy to driving everyone who opposes him to their knees.

Harper was not interested in any deal till this weekend. He was prepared to let the damage happen out of spite for Ontario and Liberals both provincially and federally.

Blame the provincial liberals, ya they are the reason for the mess, current global conditions only exagerated it. Are they being left to slide, I think not more money federal money is spent in Ont and QB have received the lions share of money and attention from the Harper gov. God forbid that maybe just maybe your beloved liberals may actually have been wrong in how they handled the province of ont.

I am so sick of people blaming all their problems on the federal government, and then do nothing but whine and not even try to fix the problem themselves. Come on Ont tighten your belts pull up your boots, make some necessary changes and the ROC will step in help you. Which will be more BTW then the ROC of Canada has done for Alberta, we had to do it all on our own.

The tories weren't burned in Quebec, how can you expect any more from Quebec then 10 seats.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

Nobody said to start throwing money at the problem, they're wondering where the plan is, and why its taking so long.

We are what a month and a half into a recession in the US, and in the process of speculating one here. Our economy typically follows the Americans by about a year to a year and half. We new this was comming changes were made to the banking system 2 years ago, which gave us the rating of number one, and that the credit crunch really didn't effect us. What we need to see now is what the tax changes have done, not to mention what tax revenue will be lost as companies write off capital losses. (that fact that companies can do this is a type of bail out) By the end of the of this quarter we should have a better idea of whats going to happen in Canada in regard to this recession and its effect on consumer confidence. We also have the transfer of political power in the US on Jan 20th which will also have an effect. By end of this quarter we will know what kind of shape the companies are as they release their numbers for the share holders. Once the info is gathered I would hope the government would look to take approperiate action, through tax cuts, tax credit writeoffs, government loans ect. which ever would be the best solution once the real problem is determined, not the one the media is hyping for fear to sell papers.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

Blame the provincial liberals, ya they are the reason for the mess, current global conditions only exagerated it. Are they being left to slide, I think not more money federal money is spent in Ont and QB have received the lions share of money and attention from the Harper gov. God forbid that maybe just maybe your beloved liberals may actually have been wrong in how they handled the province of ont.

You reflect the hatred many Tories have for Ontario.

I am so sick of people blaming all their problems on the federal government, and then do nothing but whine and not even try to fix the problem themselves. Come on Ont tighten your belts pull up your boots, make some necessary changes and the ROC will step in help you. Which will be more BTW then the ROC of Canada has done for Alberta, we had to do it all on our own.

No whining now. The problem is about to be taken away from Harper and all the shouts of coward, the knee slapping laughter from Tories who want to hurt Ontario can end.

As for your by the bootstraps Alberta story, give me a break. It is like saying look at how hard Saudi Arabia had to work to get where it is in riches.

The tories weren't burned in Quebec, how can you expect any more from Quebec then 10 seats.

I guess you can say they got burned because they expected more and actually did worse in many ridings.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

You hope it is a minor recession. Once again the tin ear. This is a great time to invest! That if if you have a job. If you have liquid cash. If you believe that the market is not going to be stagnant for a number of years.
Well, you have your egghead elected to office. He was an economist.

So you can't plan for the eventual recession? I spent the last three years planning for this, instead of buying quads, harleys, boats ect.

Its not like the economic cycle is a mystery they do teach it to everyone in Highschool.

johhny · November 30, 2008

Blame the provincial liberals, ya they are the reason for the mess, current global conditions only exagerated it. Are they being left to slide, I think not more money federal money is spent in Ont and QB have received the lions share of money and attention from the Harper gov. God forbid that maybe just maybe your beloved liberals may actually have been wrong in how they handled the province of ont.
I am so sick of people blaming all their problems on the federal government, and then do nothing but whine and not even try to fix the problem themselves. Come on Ont tighten your belts pull up your boots, make some necessary changes and the ROC will step in help you. Which will be more BTW then the ROC of Canada has done for Alberta, we had to do it all on our own.

The tories weren't burned in Quebec, how can you expect any more from Quebec then 10 seats.

I remember the 80's we required lots of help. Your not fooling anyone son.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

I remember the 80's we required lots of help. Your not fooling anyone son.

Alberta required a lot of help and what did we get a good raping from Trudea.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

So you can't plan for the eventual recession? I spent the last three years planning for this, instead of buying quads, harleys, boats ect.
Its not like the economic cycle is a mystery they do teach it to everyone in Highschool.

Yes, I imagine there is a bomb shelter and a stash of guns for end of days for some people. They teach that in Sunday school.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

Yes, I imagine there is a bomb shelter and a stash of guns for end of days for some people. They teach that in Sunday school.

Nice. Relating proven market cycles to prophecy.

blueblood · November 30, 2008

You reflect the hatred many Tories have for Ontario.
No whining now. The problem is about to be taken away from Harper and all the shouts of coward, the knee slapping laughter from Tories who want to hurt Ontario can end.

As for your by the bootstraps Alberta story, give me a break. It is like saying look at how hard Saudi Arabia had to work to get where it is in riches.

I guess you can say they got burned because they expected more and actually did worse in many ridings.

Alberta is by far the richest oil producing region in the world and its citizens are the best off. There are other oil producing countries in the world that are basket cases. Alberta needed good fiscal management and government to properly utilize its wealth. Ontario can pull itself by the bootstraps, it has its own set of gold mines. Not the tories fault they can't manage them.

Edited November 30, 2008 by blueblood

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

Nice. Relating proven market cycles to prophecy.

One in the same for some people.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

Alberta is by far the richest oil producing region in the world and its citizens are the best off. There are other oil producing countries in the world that are basket cases. Alberta needed good fiscal management and government to properly utilize its wealth. Ontario can pull itself by the bootstraps, it has its own set of gold mines. Not the tories fault they can't manage them.

The way Alberta is spending, one wonders if they have calculated what oil has fallen to.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

One in the same for some people.

Maybe for you and those that have no forward thought and only live day to day, not planning for tomorrow.

In both cases mine and yours its not the higher power that will save you, it will have been the choices you made.

blueblood · November 30, 2008

The way Alberta is spending, one wonders if they have calculated what oil has fallen to.

They undershot their previous budgets by approx twenty dollars a barrell. They can afford a year or two decline. Don't worry, they have a government famous for swinging the axe.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

Maybe for you and those that have no forward thought and only live day to day, not planning for tomorrow.

I'm doing fine, thank you very much.

In both cases mine and yours its not the higher power that will save you, it will have been the choices you made.

Which brings us back to Harper who made a choice to run a deficit and not respond to the entire country but act first and foremost for his western base and himself.