Coalition Government

madmax · November 28, 2008

Ok have fun.... Who would have thought that this issue would be the buzz.

Alta4ever · November 28, 2008

Ok have fun.... Who would have thought that this issue would be the buzz.

Duceppe helping form a coalition, that is laughable, he would be inclusive and keep it together til what, the first vote.

Wilber · November 28, 2008

Duceppe helping form a coalition, that is laughable, he would be inclusive and keep it together til what, the first vote.

I agree, anyone forming a coalition with the BQ in order to form a government might just as well blow their brains out now. Particularly if it is over their right to feed at the public trough.

madmax · November 28, 2008

I agree, anyone forming a coalition with the BQ in order to form a government might just as well blow their brains out now. Particularly if it is over their right to feed at the public trough.

You wouldn't like to hear... PRIME MINISTER DUCEPPE??? :lol:

Alta4ever · November 28, 2008

You wouldn't like to hear... PRIME MINISTER DUCEPPE???

Sure I would, it would make laugh harder then that comedy festival in Montreal.

madmax · November 28, 2008

Sure I would, it would make laugh harder then that comedy festival in Montreal.

We can all dream.... can't we....

BTW>>>

My poll has 6 votes already....

(I was thinking of charging $1.95/vote, but then I thought Greg would be looking for a cut and I don't share.)

Alta4ever · November 28, 2008

We can all dream.... can't we....
BTW>>>

My poll has 6 votes already....

(I was thinking of charging $1.95/vote, but then I thought Greg would be looking for a cut and I don't share.)

So how many liberals won't show for the vote.

madmax · November 28, 2008

So how many liberals won't show for the vote.

Hmmm.... vertabrae deficient..... :blink:

Who cares...........

I have 7 8 votes in my poll, soon will surpass your measely 25 vote poll.

Edited November 28, 2008 by madmax

capricorn · November 28, 2008

This is getting interesting.

Should the country be propelled into an election, Dion is still legally the Liberal leader until his successor is elected. However, few Liberal MPs are likely to want to fight another election under Dion and could put pressure on him to resign.
Moreover, both the Bloc and NDP have signalled that they wouldn't take part in a coalition if it meant installing Dion as prime minister.

Hence, Liberal MPs have begun privately exploring whether there is some way to speed up Dion's departure.

Some MPs said former prime minister Jean Chretien had been approached for advice on how to massage Dion's early exit. But sources close to Chretien said he has not been contacted and is in no way involved.

Senior strategists with both the Rae and Igatieff camps also said that their teams are not involved in trying to accelerate the leadership contest.

Under the Liberal constitution, the party's national executive, in consultation with caucus, has emergency power to appoint a successor should the leader resign or die.

http://www.570news.com/news/national/artic...ntent=n1127142A

I imagine the same process would apply in a coalition government scenario.

And this from the same article.

Traditionally, the governor general is bound to take the advice of a prime minister to call an election when a government is defeated. But historian Michael Behiels said Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean wouldn't have much choice but to give a coalition a chance given that the last election was just over a month ago.
However, Behiels predicted that a coalition "wouldn't last more than a month" and the country would be plunged into another election anyway. And he said that's exactly what Harper wants.

"I think this has been engineered. Harper wants his majority so bad before we're into the depths of a recession."

All told, these developments could not come at a worse time for the Liberals. A lame duck leader, a looming leadership race and an empty bank account. A short term coalition followed by a general election might just be what Harper is hoping for. From an aerial view, it seems to me the Conservatives have the advantage here.

madmax · November 28, 2008

All told, these developments could not come at a worse time for the Liberals. A lame duck leader, a looming leadership race and an empty bank account. A short term coalition followed by a general election might just be what Harper is hoping for. From an aerial view, it seems to me the Conservatives have the advantage here.

Vote for Duceppe

Ok, it has become a story of its own and I blame Alta4ever for starting this parlimentary controversy over election funding. :angry:

Seriously, the LPC are in a difficult spot and I could not see a coalition lasting more then a few weeks past a month. Well maybe as far as the leadership convention.

I don't know if there is an impartial LPC member not tied to one of the 3 camps.

I forgot Leblanc on my list. My Apologies..... I just forgot... in the rush to have some fun.

Anyone who wants to vote for Leblanc can send me $1 and I will make up a new poll.

Hah.... 9 votes.....already.

Edited November 28, 2008 by madmax

noahbody · November 28, 2008

I forgot Leblanc on my list. My Apologies..... I just forgot... in the rush to have some fun.
Anyone who wants to vote for Leblanc can send me $1 and I will make up a new poll.

You forgot Libby Davies too!

capricorn · November 28, 2008

I forgot Leblanc on my list. My Apologies..... I just forgot... in the rush to have some fun.

Oh yes "I may have a baby face but I'm toilet trained" Leblanc. :lol:

madmax · November 28, 2008

You forgot Libby Davies too!

Is there an emoticon to help me through this........I don't know how to respond.

That said, I think those voting for Dion have less chance then Duceppe of coming up lucky. And its nice to see the Iggy Supporters.

Oh yeah 10,1112 Votes. I should start charging.

Edited November 28, 2008 by madmax

Michael Hardner · November 28, 2008

Actually, given that Duceppe is politically a dead duck anyway, that could make great sense. Throw the corpse of Duceppe at Harper why not ?

As long as Duceppe takes all the attention, and Rae and Ignatieff step out of the spotlight, they might draw some blood...

August1991 · November 28, 2008

As much as I dislike the wordings of the questions, I voted for a change of government and Dion being the next PM.

In theory, it's possible. If Harper pursues this policy and loses a vote, then the GG could ask Dion to form a government.

There is absolutely no way that Harper would go that far. Heck, I don't even think Harper is crazy enough to want the GG to dissolve parliament and have another election campaign.

If you believe that Harper would easily surrender power to Dion, you do not understand the mentality/personality of people involved in politics.

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So, there must be something else afoot.

Edited November 28, 2008 by August1991

g_bambino · November 28, 2008

Dion is still legally the Liberal leader until his successor is elected... both the Bloc and NDP have signalled that they wouldn't take part in a coalition if it meant installing Dion as prime minister. Hence, Liberal MPs have begun privately exploring whether there is some way to speed up Dion's departure... Under the Liberal constitution, the party's national executive, in consultation with caucus, has emergency power to appoint a successor should the leader resign or die.

http://www.570news.com/news/national/artic...ntent=n1127142A

I don't understand the point of this. There is nothing requiring that the official leader of a party be appointed as Prime Minister should that party have the most seats in the House; it is only the individual who can command the confidence of that chamber who is appointed, by convention, as PM. Dion could be the head of the Liberal Party while someone from his party served as the federal premier.

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Edited November 28, 2008 by g_bambino

August1991 · November 28, 2008

I don't understand the point of this. There is nothing requiring that the official leader of a party be appointed as Prime Minister should that party have the most seats in the House; it is only the individual who can command the confidence of that chamber who is appointed, by convention, as PM. Dion could be the head of the Liberal Party while someone from his party served as the federal premier.

Bambino is technically right.

If Harper were to lose the confidence of the House, then the GG could ask any member to form a government - except that in this practical case, the GG would ask Dion, or possibly dissolve Parliament.

But none of this will come to pass because Harper is not going to give up power to Dion and I don't think Harper is so crazy as to have another federal election.

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This is all about something else.

Slim MacSquinty · November 28, 2008

The point is that all three opposition parties together would be needed to be meaningful coalition to form a govenment, the GG is unlikely to entertain weak coalition without an agenda but for to topple the government.

My guess is Harper is eager to get negotiating, thereby succeding at two things: First diverting much attention from fiscal issues until the depth of the problem is better know and the American reaction is complete, second it will allow him to demonstrate the real agenda of the Liberals in particular who will topple quickly on the financial front but stick to their guns over financing showing their true colours and looking rather foolish in the process.

Interesting times indeed, it would be some kind of election campaign should the Liberals have to defend toppling the government to support their own finances, and forcing their own bankruptcy in the process. The Cons will tear them to pieces over the stimulus issue should they try to make that an election issue, since neither the liberals nor the NDP have any plan whatsoever.

jdobbin · November 28, 2008

Duceppe helping form a coalition, that is laughable, he would be inclusive and keep it together til what, the first vote.

Duceppe might do it just to push Harper out.

jdobbin · November 28, 2008

I agree, anyone forming a coalition with the BQ in order to form a government might just as well blow their brains out now. Particularly if it is over their right to feed at the public trough.

The government has to retain the confidence of the House. The lack of a stimulus package is enough to vote no.

jdobbin · November 28, 2008

All told, these developments could not come at a worse time for the Liberals. A lame duck leader, a looming leadership race and an empty bank account. A short term coalition followed by a general election might just be what Harper is hoping for. From an aerial view, it seems to me the Conservatives have the advantage here.

You think? I know that everything the Tories do is brilliant, simply brilliant, but I can't see how they think being tossed out of government is a good thing.

jdobbin · November 28, 2008

The point is that all three opposition parties together would be needed to be meaningful coalition to form a govenment, the GG is unlikely to entertain weak coalition without an agenda but for to topple the government.

If all three agree, the Governor General will have to no choice but turn to the Opposition.

My guess is Harper is eager to get negotiating, thereby succeding at two things: First diverting much attention from fiscal issues until the depth of the problem is better know and the American reaction is complete, second it will allow him to demonstrate the real agenda of the Liberals in particular who will topple quickly on the financial front but stick to their guns over financing showing their true colours and looking rather foolish in the process.

Since Canada's vote comes before the break, the time is now. What do you expect in the next days?

Interesting times indeed, it would be some kind of election campaign should the Liberals have to defend toppling the government to support their own finances, and forcing their own bankruptcy in the process. The Cons will tear them to pieces over the stimulus issue should they try to make that an election issue, since neither the liberals nor the NDP have any plan whatsoever.

The argument would be that the Tories have no stimulus package in place which is enough to vote no confidence.

jdobbin · November 28, 2008

This is all about something else.

It is. It is about confidence.

No one believes Harper is going to run a more cooperative government and will play brinkmanship on every issue to force and election. And if he can't get one, he will call one. He wants to face off against Dion again.

Edited November 28, 2008 by jdobbin