DANGEROUS TIMES IN THE USA

[betsy]

The result of the election shows not that wide a gap between McCain and Obama. But all that is water under the bridge now. Although a high number of citizens wanted McCain, Obama is president.

Some are saying "someone will try to assasinate him." We saw that possibility in that foiled attempt on his life by a skinhead.

IF Obama is assasinated, I fear that the USA will have a nation-wide civil unrest. It might even trigger some sort of a civil war. IS that far-fetched?

With the economy down and the USA struggling right now, enemies of the USA might use this moment to throw America into chaos. It's plausible that terrorists may target the presidential family and blame it on those who don't favor Obama.

Is that far-fetched?

[Guest American Woman]

There's basically always a "high number" of people voting for the losing candidate. In this election, Obama got over 7 million votes more than McCain did. That's 52% compared to 46% of the vote. In the last election, Bush only got 3 million more votes than Kerry did, which was 50% of the vote compared to Kerry's 48%-- yet there was immediate reference to Bush's win as a "mandate of the American people."

But to answer your question, yes. It is far-fetched. The U.S. is not going to erupt into civil war.

[jdobbin]

But to answer your question, yes. It is far-fetched. The U.S. is not going to erupt into civil war.

Presidents are always in danger from individuals with political, social or mental issues. I think the Secret Service recognizes that. We have seen people here try to associate Obama with being a Muslim and friendly with terrorists. It is provocative.

[Oleg Bach]

Presidents are always in danger from individuals with political, social or mental issues. I think the Secret Service recognizes that. We have seen people here try to associate Obama with being a Muslim and friendly with terrorists. It is provocative.

The only way America will survive and prosper again is for Obama to make friends. Make everyone a friend. That should be his mission - war for adventure and profit has seen it's day. Any lunitic that attempts to harm Obama will not get though - what you have to worry about is that he may be disposed of from within his own insitution - America has a history of violence and conspiracy. People are more informed now - not like in the JFK days....IF Obama decides to reason with Iran or Israel - or with so-called terrorists - so be it . It was never a religious issue - It was always economic... that is the bottom line.

[kimmy]

Yes, if Obama were assassinated, there would be hell to pay.

I don't think an actual civil war would occur, but definitely rioting and violence. Think Rodney King riots gone national.

-k

[Oleg Bach]

Yes, if Obama were assassinated, there would be hell to pay.

I don't think an actual civil war would occur, but definitely rioting and violence. Think Rodney King riots gone national.

-k

Was thinking the same thing when almost a million gathered in Chicago to listen to the pre-victory speech - If there was a killing - the city would have been destroyed. From what I gathered from my America accociates just prior to the final day of the election was that all domestic law enforcement was moblized and ready for an assassination or attempt. There is a civil war going on alread in America and Canada - it is bloodless but still a war - I saw it in our court system...I see it in the arts - and in our finacial institutions that are slowly being infiltrated by leftist. Thank goodness my tour of duty is over - it was one hell of a fight that took a lot of faith, courage and endurance - and you never walk away with out scars. Every American and Canadian citizen capable of weilding the proberbial sword must fight for justice - the fate of North America is not in the hands of the government or even the banks but in the rugged individual who stands up and states repeatedly "the king has no clothing" - Freedom takes work and most are to afraid and lazy to perpetuate it's continuence.

[bush_cheney2004]

The result of the election shows not that wide a gap between McCain and Obama. But all that is water under the bridge now. Although a high number of citizens wanted McCain, Obama is president.

Obama is the president-elect until January. The last winner is still POTUS.

Some are saying "someone will try to assasinate him." We saw that possibility in that foiled attempt on his life by a skinhead.

Such figures are always subject to assassination attempts....the POTUS is the greatest prize for guaranteed immortality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unite...nation_attempts

IF Obama is assasinated, I fear that the USA will have a nation-wide civil unrest. It might even trigger some sort of a civil war. IS that far-fetched?

Yes, it is far fetched...if he is assassinated, Joe Biden will become POTUS. There is a line of succession that goes very deep:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...e_of_succession

With the economy down and the USA struggling right now, enemies of the USA might use this moment to throw America into chaos. It's plausible that terrorists may target the presidential family and blame it on those who don't favor Obama.

Is that far-fetched?

Has any previous US presidential assassination caused such chaos?

Edited November 8, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Oleg Bach]

The Americans are very proud of their history of intrigue and violence - this is common fair. Barbaric but exceptable way of doing buisness - they really don't explain that to the young dog who starts to run with the big ones.

[Kitch]

and in our finacial institutions that are slowly being infiltrated by leftist.

What does that mean?

[bush_cheney2004]

The Americans are very proud of their history of intrigue and violence - this is common fair. Barbaric but exceptable way of doing buisness - they really don't explain that to the young dog who starts to run with the big ones.

Correct...it's all good. We even had a punk rock band called the "Dead Kennedys". Our currency is referred to as "dead presidents" in slang.

[Oleg Bach]

Ah hah! You are American - is this you Dick?

[kimmy]

Ah hah! You are American

It took you this long to sleuth that one out, Sherlock?

-k

[eyeball]

Yes, if Obama were assassinated, there would be hell to pay.

I don't think an actual civil war would occur, but definitely rioting and violence. Think Rodney King riots gone national.

-k

What if this happened during the transition period between administrations? I can see how six days or more of rioting on a national scale might be enough to cause an over-reaction by the present administration. Given the added psychological trauma of economic chaos and fear that's out there these are already dicey times. If someone wanted to hit the US or otherwise cause some sort of social upheaval now would certainly be the time when its just about on its knees already.

Did the Department of Homeland Security really build a number of huge detention centers around the US or was that just a bunch of conspiracy theorizing? Why would anyone need such a network of things anyways?

Edited November 8, 2008 by eyeball

[bush_cheney2004]

.... If someone wanted to hit the US or otherwise cause some sort of social upheaval now would certainly be the time when its just about on its knees already.

"Bring it on..."

Did the Department of Homeland Security really build a number of huge detention centers around the US or was that just a bunch of conspiracy theorizing? Why would anyone need such a network of things anyways?

Nope...that was FEMA.....mostly for detention of millions of illegals from Canada, Mexico, and elsewhere. That would include Obama's Auntie. See Rex 84...Polynewbie is an expert on this kind of tin foil hat stuff.

[Oleg Bach]

"Bring it on..."

Nope...that was FEMA.....mostly for detention of millions of illegals from Canada, Mexico, and elsewhere. That would include Obama's Auntie. See Rex 84...Polynewbie is an expert on this kind of tin foil hat stuff.

Canada? You mean I am real welcome on the otherside of the boarder and you would give me free lodging? Boy oh boy I am on my way is this retention centre as nice as the one you have in Cuba and is there a view of the ocean? I bet you it's just a big huge trailer park with hot and loose chicks stoned on meth with no teeth...no teeth! Here I come!

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada? You mean I am real welcome on the otherside of the boarder and you would give me free lodging? Boy oh boy I am on my way is this retention centre as nice as the one you have in Cuba and is there a view of the ocean? I bet you it's just a big huge trailer park with hot and loose chicks stoned on meth with no teeth...no teeth! Here I come!

Sure...come on down. You can compete with many other nationals in the Green Card lottery. Curiously, some Canadians think they should get preferential treatment because their Uncle Buck lives in Arkansas.

[Oleg Bach]

Sure...come on down. You can compete with many other nationals in the Green Card lottery. Curiously, some Canadians think they should get preferential treatment because their Uncle Buck lives in Arkansas.

Canadians that are industrious - white and attractive don't need a card and you know that. If you generate wealth you are welcome. They don't care if you are pennyless on arrival as long as you stir that boring mundane place up a little and make things happen.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canadians that are industrious - white and attractive don't need a card and you know that. If you generate wealth you are welcome. They don't care if you are pennyless on arrival as long as you stir that boring mundane place up a little and make things happen.

Not so....I watch 'em scramble back and forth across the border all the time. Once they get Green Cards, they get an attitude.

[Oleg Bach]

Not so....I watch 'em scramble back and forth across the border all the time. Once they get Green Cards, they get an attitude.

Will reveal my self personally a bit - My dear sister who just flew back Central America this morning - originally was run out of Canada by our ever so special tax department..she arrived in L.A. with out a dime. She provided service to some developers for free for a time - then they gave her a project - she constructed a entertainment faciltiy across the street from Sony - My father always said if you want to work - work for nothing if you have to...eventually you will become indispensable. Seems it worked for her - Canada has a system that is a lot like the Joe Plumber thing - unless you are from the right family - once you crack the 300 thousand mark - they slap you down hard....so we really have no middle class to speak of - just a fake middle class who live in houses that are mortgaged over the span of three life times... America will treat you well if you have talent....Look at John Roberts on CNN - your prime public propogandist...he was a Toronto Rock DJ - go figure - half of your brain power in LA is ours.

[bush_cheney2004]

....America will treat you well if you have talent....Look at John Roberts on CNN - your prime public propogandist...he was a Toronto Rock DJ - go figure - half of your brain power in LA is ours.

Right....that's what most other nationals are after...a shot at opportunity. Many fail, but that is made up by those who succeed. Robert's became a US citizen after 9/11...cynically, I suspect it is for tax reasons. Steve Nash, himself a South African transplant to Canada, was happy to make millions in the NBA while expressing dislike for American foreign policy.

There is a huge employment sub culture that revolves around American employer sponsorships, H1 work visas, Green Cards, etc., that most Americans are clueless about. This under current and tension exists beween nationals trying to avoid "going back".

As a "privileged" American citizen, their pressing concerns and struggle to stay in "evil America" is just a curiosity. I think they resent my "I voted" sticker.

[Oleg Bach]

It was said to me over 25 years ago - that I would not have success in Canada - for instance the Canadian Broad Corporation has a no star policy - they are improving but it is a closed shop - My best luck was working on American film productions - in fact when I had an income - all of it for 18 years was American money - untill our greedy little socialist minister of what ever demanded a kick back from Amerian producers who sent billions up here during the film boom .....I was to attatched to family to leave - even prior the kids...now I am old and I mentor - don't tell anyone - If I had it to do again - I would have left...they like controlable twits in Canada - our whole corporate system is staffed by the mediocre. Canada wasted my life - am I bitter? Not anymore...but still it's a shame that a few families controled everything - and if you got on the bad side you were toast..in America - you can insult more frequently and get away with it - it's a numbers game..

[bush_cheney2004]

.....If I had it to do again - I would have left...they like controlable twits in Canada - our whole corporate system is staffed by the mediocre. Canada wasted my life - am I bitter? Not anymore...but still it's a shame that a few families controled everything - and if you got on the bad side you were toast..in America - you can insult more frequently and get away with it - it's a numbers game..

I don't doubt that....a project manager I worked with last year was from Winnipeg, and worked in film and television production during the same boom. He expressed the same concern about limitations imposed by Canada at many levels, and preferred to fail miserably on his own in America than wonder what could have been in his native country.

It is not difficult to understand why very competent Canadians want to compete and earn incomes in a market with more possibilities.

[Oleg Bach]

I don't doubt that....a project manager I worked with last year was from Winnipeg, and worked in film and television production during the same boom. He expressed the same concern about limitations imposed by Canada at many levels, and preferred to fail miserably on his own in America than wonder what could have been in his native country.

It is not difficult to understand why very competent Canadians want to compete and earn incomes in a market with more possibilities.

As far as the film industry, it was not just the low Canadian dollar that attracted American productions. The crews were so slick they boardered on miltary operations - they were the best...and Americans new that. You would have thought that Canada would have been thankful for the huge influx of cash - but no - they wanted more. It was our federals that did not understand that art and buisness must be left alone to flourish. My tax guys creamated me and took 100% of my money - and some immigrant socialist tax hound laughed as I fell. They did not understand that I could make nothing for a period of years and survive - so they back filed as if I was someone hiding a Porshe in the barn.. stupid ----as my banker friend describes the failing of corporations ---"greed lazyness and stupidity" - he was talking about high level middle management..it's not the guys on top that screw things up it's the wanna bees.