Won't back crime bills, MPs say

[wulf42]

Bring back the death penalty for the 14 year olds!

Yes, we know how most on the right feel.

No! if you read my comment it states kids 14 years and up should get life in prison for commiting murder, yes the death penalty should exist for people who commit certain crimes such as serial killers, people who kill kids. If it were up to the Liberals all criminals would get out in less than two years on a promise to be nice and not to do it again!

[jdobbin]

No! if you read my comment it states kids 14 years and up should get life in prison for commiting murder, yes the death penalty should exist for people who commit certain crimes such as serial killers, people who kill kids. If it were up to the Liberals all criminals would get out in less than two years on a promise to be nice and not to do it again!

If it were up to the Tories, the death penalty would apply to children!

[Smallc]

If it were up to the Tories, the death penalty would apply to children!

Just as long as it doesn't apply to a fetus, they would be fine with it I think.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Smallc

[guyser]

If it were up to the Liberals all criminals would get out in less than two years on a promise to be nice and not to do it again!

Two years and a promise? Screw that, lets go with the promise and then release them.

Of course, no Liberal has ever said what you think they have said.

And you will conveniently ignore the fact that innocent people would have been executed if we had the death penalty. Not to mention that it is known that the death penalty does nothing to reduce crime.

[Argus]

If Harper believes this is a government priority over the economy then by all means make it a confidence vote and go to an election this December.

Are you saying that no government can possibly do more than one thing at a time?

[Argus]

If it were up to the Tories, the death penalty would apply to children!

If it were up to the Liberals there would be no prisons, and everyone who commits a violent rape or murder would be given a special medal in honor of how trying a time his life had been, and probably a pension as well.

[wulf42]

And you will conveniently ignore the fact that innocent people would have been executed if we had the death penalty. Not to mention that it is known that the death penalty does nothing to reduce crime.

Well, in todays world with DNA testing the way it is that would be very unlikely, furthermore the death penality should be used against those who commit the most horrible crimes...ie Paul Bernardo! As far as the death penality reducing crime goes? maybe it would ...maybe not but one thing would be for sure and that is the scum that commited the crime wouldn't get another chance to kill again once they face a firing squad like they certainly would do under a Liberal Government !

Edited November 14, 2008 by wulf42

[Topaz]

If it were up to the Liberals there would be no prisons, and everyone who commits a violent rape or murder would be given a special medal in honor of how trying a time his life had been, and probably a pension as well.

Now there's a thought..no more prisons which cost $83,000 per prisoner. If you break a law they lose their citizenship to Canada and are sent else where.

[wulf42]

Now there's a thought..no more prisons which cost $83,000 per prisoner. If you break a law they lose their citizenship to Canada and are sent else where.

Yes like an ice flow up north, We should build them a city up north with no guards...no fences.... just drop food into them every so often and if they kill each other? oh well who gives a crap...if they try to escape? if the cold doesn't get them the Polar Bears will!

[guyser]

Well, in todays world with DNA testing the way it is that would be very unlikely, furthermore the death penality should be used against those who commit the most horrible crimes

Except innocent people would still be put to death.DNA or not.

[wulf42]

Except innocent people would still be put to death.DNA or not.

I don't think they would! dna testing would tell the tale and many serial killers brag about their exploits...25 years ago i would agree with you...but not today!

Edited November 14, 2008 by wulf42

[guyser]

I don't think they would! dna testing would tell the tale and many serial killers brag about their exploits...25 years ago i would agree with you...but not today!

DNA testing only proves that a person was there, at some time in the past. It does not necessarily suggest that the person was the criminal.

[jdobbin]

Are you saying that no government can possibly do more than one thing at a time?

I believe it is one bill at a time. As I've said, if Harper believes it is of the utmost urgency, he will make it a confidence motion now.

[jdobbin]

If it were up to the Liberals there would be no prisons, and everyone who commits a violent rape or murder would be given a special medal in honor of how trying a time his life had been, and probably a pension as well.

If it were up to the Tories, there would be vigilante justice where people could shoot each other down and dispense with those courts and lawyers who only muck up the works.

[wulf42]

If it were up to the Tories, there would be vigilante justice where people could shoot each other down and dispense with those courts and lawyers who only muck up the works.

Actually we are at that point now.......look at Toronto!

[wulf42]

DNA testing only proves that a person was there, at some time in the past. It does not necessarily suggest that the person was the criminal.

True.......but all i am saying i see no reason to keep monsters like Paul Bernardo in prison or other types of predators or serial killers around and have tax payers flip the bill for these animals.....if there is no doubt whatsoever then yes a death penality should be used ,if not that then lets go to option B and have camps up in the North Pole for the worst of the worst .

[Smallc]

Actually we are at that point now.......look at Toronto!

You obviously have no clue. Toronto is still one of the safest cities in the world.

Also, killing murderers isn't the thing to do. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[wulf42]

You obviously have no clue. Toronto is still one of the safest cities in the world.

Also, killing murderers isn't the thing to do. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Toronto is safe....lol

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/11/06/...angs031106.html

And executing murderers is absolutely the thing to do! Once tried and convicted they should be taken out and shot....end of problem!

[guyser]

Toronto is safe....lol

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2003/11/06/...angs031106.html

One really should not parade their ignorance , or post it as it were.

#1 -Anything Julian Fantino says is bullshit. He is now and always has been, a horrible cop.

#2-You really should learn to research.

So let me ask you, how do you like living in a city that is more than twice as dangerous as Toronto?

Your Mayor "The data, released Thursday, shows residents of Nova Scotia reported the second highest rate of victimization, at 157 incidents per 1,000 population. Only Alberta was higher, at a rate of 160.

In fact, Halifax is the census metropolitan area with the highest rate of violent incidents per capita. There were 71,000 violent incidents in 2004, for a rate of 229. Toronto has more incidents but its rate is 107."

Must be horrible out there huh?

[Bryan]

Except innocent people would still be put to death.DNA or not.

The fact that we even know who the falsely accused are makes me think this is less of a worry than some might think. Between today's forensic technology, the increasingly public nature of such claims, and an exhaustive appeals process, I think we could safely implement capital punishment for at least our worst repeat offenders.

[Smallc]

The fact that we even know who the falsely accused are makes me think this is less of a worry than some might think. Between today's forensic technology, the increasingly public nature of such claims, and an exhaustive appeals process, I think we could safely implement capital punishment for at least our worst repeat offenders.

We won't though. That's not the way the world is moving. I would imagine that some day, in the far future, no country will put people to death.

[OddSox]

We won't though. That's not the way the world is moving. I would imagine that some day, in the far future, no country will put people to death.

No, just a quick 'adjustment' and send them on their way...

[wulf42]

One really should not parade their ignorance , or post it as it were.

#1 -Anything Julian Fantino says is bullshit. He is now and always has been, a horrible cop.

#2-You really should learn to research.

So let me ask you, how do you like living in a city that is more than twice as dangerous as Toronto?

Your Mayor "The data, released Thursday, shows residents of Nova Scotia reported the second highest rate of victimization, at 157 incidents per 1,000 population. Only Alberta was higher, at a rate of 160.

In fact, Halifax is the census metropolitan area with the highest rate of violent incidents per capita. There were 71,000 violent incidents in 2004, for a rate of 229. Toronto has more incidents but its rate is 107."

Must be horrible out there huh?

lol..........yes the crime is horrible here too! I never said it wasn't, trust me growing up in Halifax one learns to fight rather quickly!

You just made my arguement for the reinstatement of the death penality even more convincing. Oh and i have a brother in T.O. and he as well as many of his friends are moving back East because the crime is getting unbearable there...so i guess it isn't all rosey in T.O.

[Keepitsimple]

If Harper believes this is a government priority over the economy then by all means make it a confidence vote and go to an election this December.

I've said before, I don't think it will be a confidence vote right out of the gate. I believe he will bring the bill forward as-is (comprimises have already been made) as a non-confidence vote so the public can clearly see where each party stands - and according to the polls, Canadians will not be happy if it doesn't pass. If that's the case, the Conservatives will make some minor changes and bring it back as a confidence measure.....having shown that they tried to make Parliament work.

[Argus]

You obviously have no clue. Toronto is still one of the safest cities in the world.

Also, killing murderers isn't the thing to do. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Only a liberal would consider killing a murderer to be wrong.