Alberta to suffer

[craiger]

I suspect Alberta will be hurt the worst of all the provinces do to lack of managing growth and inflation . Labour costs are locked in by contracts and materials are not coming down making this one of the worste places to invest. Alberta's economy is not diverse outside oil with out jobs Alberta is not a attractive place to live and people will leave in droves.

I was speaking with a large Encana investor he told me he is pulling out of Alberta mainly for those two reasons, but he also expressed displeasure with unconventional oil and with the new royalty regime Alberta is not atractive. Most of these investors are American and both leaders running for president are want to adopt carbon credits so the bread and butter of all industry's will be in green technology.

Alberta unemployment stats are decieving as the thousands of jobs lost last month were of travel cards and temp workers, they may not be albertan but they contribute to the economy. Even nation wide Harper has decieved as he preached as hero he created 110,000 jobs yet he failed to tell 90,000 of those jobs are part time, anyone forced into part time work is most likely working 2+ jobs anyways, our goals should be in full time hobs.

To make matters worse we have leaders like Harper who promises to not run a defecit to win a election, then a week later after voted in he sais a deficit is unavoidable, we have nobody to trust and untill trust is built again as a consumer or investor I would never think of spending money, not when trust is lost and the market is so toxic.

[Topaz]

As I said before on this forum, if Alberta didn't have the oil and the Libs never left a 12 Billion surplus what kind of government would Harper have. As far as the deficit, to Harper... if LIES were MONEY, you wouldn't be going into a DEFICIT!!! Just remember when Alberta is in trouble or Quebec, Harper will always be there.

[Mr.Canada]

As I said before on this forum, if Alberta didn't have the oil and the Libs never left a 12 Billion surplus what kind of government would Harper have. As far as the deficit, to Harper... if LIES were MONEY, you wouldn't be going into a DEFICIT!!! Just remember when Alberta is in trouble or Quebec, Harper will always be there.

I also remember when the National Energy Program and the Wheat Board came to Alberta the Liberals were there.

[M.Dancer]

I also remember when the National Energy Program and the Wheat Board came to Alberta the Liberals were there.

I'm sure you remember when the wheat board came to Alberta. That would make how old? 100?

By the way....it was a Conservative PM who was in office, Borden.

BTW, since you are on rules enforcement kick...

RESEARCH YOUR POST

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/index.p...E=01&HID=17

[craiger]

I am not about to branish the conservatives as a whole about this I am true blue!

this is about certain individual (Harper) lying to our faces. I voted for the SOB upon his plattform to learn a week later he lied to me! and the rest of us.

lets Think rational about this. no biased opinion about any party's.

This scum bag educated in economics blatant lies to us.

point is if we are based on lies and leaders who don't know the job from their ars from a hole in the ground I have no trust and will not spend no money's or invest , and encourage others also to do so

yes I'm mad I voted the Ars in! and he lied to me didn't even take a week to see the truth. Never again will I vote Harper again or Flattery no matter what party they rep.

I also feel they called a early election as if they knew their whole platform of fiscal managment would have meant BOGUS when they ran this defecit

Edited November 5, 2008 by craiger

[William Ashley]

I suspect Alberta will be hurt the worst of all the provinces do to lack of managing growth and inflation . Labour costs are locked in by contracts and materials are not coming down making this one of the worste places to invest. Alberta's economy is not diverse outside oil with out jobs Alberta is not a attractive place to live and people will leave in droves.

I was speaking with a large Encana investor he told me he is pulling out of Alberta mainly for those two reasons, but he also expressed displeasure with unconventional oil and with the new royalty regime Alberta is not atractive. Most of these investors are American and both leaders running for president are want to adopt carbon credits so the bread and butter of all industry's will be in green technology.

Alberta unemployment stats are decieving as the thousands of jobs lost last month were of travel cards and temp workers, they may not be albertan but they contribute to the economy. Even nation wide Harper has decieved as he preached as hero he created 110,000 jobs yet he failed to tell 90,000 of those jobs are part time, anyone forced into part time work is most likely working 2+ jobs anyways, our goals should be in full time hobs.

To make matters worse we have leaders like Harper who promises to not run a defecit to win a election, then a week later after voted in he sais a deficit is unavoidable, we have nobody to trust and untill trust is built again as a consumer or investor I would never think of spending money, not when trust is lost and the market is so toxic.

I think if anything will hurt alberta it is Obamas stance against Dirty Albertan Oil Sands Oil

Edited November 5, 2008 by William Ashley

[Mr.Canada]

I'll stick to the issues.

I was referring to the Ontario Wheat Board which came to the attention of Alberta in the Early 1950's under a Liberal government. In effect this created an unfair and biased two tier market for wheat sellers across Canada. Western Canada is forced to sell to the Canadian Wheat Board whereas Ontario can sell wheat to whomever it wishes. Repeated attempts to set up an Alberta Wheat Board has been blocked by decades of Liberal rule.

Not to mention the National Energy Policy which crippled the western economies.

It is estimated by various scholars that Alberta lost between $50 billion and $100 billion because of the NEP.

source

This was brought in by the Liberal Trudeau government.

This is what Alberta and western Canada remembers.

[craiger]

Can not blame Obama .Mcain feels the same way. All we can do is blame ourselves. we made recomendation 10 years ago for Carbon capture and that would have helped us but we did jack squat!

We actually figured we would could allow the rape and pillage of these lands. As we stand we cannot even make good on our commitment to reclaim the land. I can no longer sugar coat it we are in trouble.

[blueblood]

I think if anything will hurt alberta it is Obamas stance against Dirty Albertan Oil Sands Oil

Do you not notice the giant pipeline going west to the coast? The one the Americans are having a fit over. Oh well the Asians can have the oil, Alberta still does well!!!

[blueblood]

I'll stick to the issues.

I was referring to the Ontario Wheat Board which came to the attention of Alberta in the Early 1950's under a Liberal government. In effect this created an unfair and biased two tier market for wheat sellers across Canada. Western Canada is forced to sell to the Canadian Wheat Board whereas Ontario can sell wheat to whomever it wishes. Repeated attempts to set up an Alberta Wheat Board has been blocked by decades of Liberal rule.

Not to mention the National Energy Policy which crippled the western economies.

source

This was brought in by the Liberal Trudeau government.

This is what Alberta and western Canada remembers.

Oh dear another wheat board argument, JDobbin is going to be having some words with you about this...

[craiger]

Do you not notice the giant pipeline going west to the coast? The one the Americans are having a fit over. Oh well the Asians can have the oil, Alberta still does well!!!

you willing to sell our friendship with the US for the Asians? I heard that from 2 out of 3 Encana investors they think we can strip top soil and ship it. I was forced to remind we are not comunist. those bombings in BC are a start are you prep to go to war!

[M.Dancer]

I'll stick to the issues.

I was referring to the Ontario Wheat Board which came to the attention of Alberta in the Early 1950's under a Liberal government.

COMPANY INFORMATION

History Established in 1958, the Ontario Wheat Producers' Marketing Board (OWPMB) represents 16,000 Ontario wheat producers. The role of the OWPMB is to promote, market and improve Ontario wheat.

You should research your posts. Leslie Frost, premier of Ontario in 1958 was a Conservative. Unless of course you mean Dief....he was a Conservative too...

Why should anyone take you seriously if you are too lazy to get basic facts right?

Sheesh

[blueblood]

you willing to sell our friendship with the US for the Asians? I heard that from 2 out of 3 Encana investors they think we can strip top soil and ship it. I was forced to remind we are not comunist. those bombings in BC are a start are you prep to go to war!

if obama doesn't want our oil, there are lots of people that do. Either way Alberta, SK, BC, NL, and soon MB and NS will be laughing. Those bombings in BC are some nut blowing up sour gas and will be caught by the RCMP in due time.

[noahbody]

I suspect Alberta will be hurt the worst of all the provinces do to lack of managing growth and inflation

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Well if you suspect this it must be true.

Labour costs are locked in by contracts and materials are not coming down making this one of the worste places to invest.

I don't see a problem with labour costs. Alberta isn't a car manufacturer you know.

Alberta's economy is not diverse outside oil with out jobs Alberta is not a attractive place to live and people will leave in droves.

Really? No agriculture here? No tourism? No construction?

I was speaking with a large Encana investor he told me he is pulling out of Alberta mainly for those two reasons, but he also expressed displeasure with unconventional oil and with the new royalty regime Alberta is not atractive.

If an Encana investor sells shares because of the royalty program, he or she is a complete idiot. Encana doesn't pay royalties on the majority of their production as their land is CPR land.

Most of these investors are American and both leaders running for president are want to adopt carbon credits so the bread and butter of all industry's will be in green technology.

The demand for oil isn't going to fall.

Even nation wide Harper has decieved as he preached as hero he created 110,000 jobs yet he failed to tell 90,000 of those jobs are part time, anyone forced into part time work is most likely working 2+ jobs anyways, our goals should be in full time hobs.

Do you expect a business to create a full time position when it only requires a part time one? That would be poor management wouldn't it? And who is forced into part time work? And whose goals should be full time jobs? The union?

and untill trust is built again as a consumer or investor I would never think of spending money, not when trust is lost and the market is so toxic.

Maybe if you spent your money, those part time jobs would be full time. So really, you're the one to blame.

[Mr.Canada]

You should research your posts. Leslie Frost, premier of Ontario in 1958 was a Conservative. Unless of course you mean Dief....he was a Conservative too...

Why should anyone take you seriously if you are too lazy to get basic facts right?

Sheesh

I see so the rest of my post is true. Big deal, you're arguing non factors that don't really matter.

1.This created an unfair and biased two tier market for wheat sellers across Canada. Western Canada is forced to sell to the Canadian Wheat Board whereas Ontario can sell wheat to whomever it wishes. Repeated attempts to set up an Alberta Wheat Board has been blocked by decades of Liberal rule.

2. It is estimated by various scholars that Alberta lost between $50 billion and $100 billion because of the NEP. Source

I want you M.Dancer to refute points one and two. If you don't you agree they are true.

[blueblood]

I see so the rest of my post is true. Big deal, you're arguing non factors that don't really matter.

1.This created an unfair and biased two tier market for wheat sellers across Canada. Western Canada is forced to sell to the Canadian Wheat Board whereas Ontario can sell wheat to whomever it wishes. Repeated attempts to set up an Alberta Wheat Board has been blocked by decades of Liberal rule.

2. It is estimated by various scholars that Alberta lost between $50 billion and $100 billion because of the NEP. Source

I want you M.Dancer to refute points one and two. If you don't you agree they are true.

Your point one is BS, the Albertans want no wheat board period.

[Mr.Canada]

Your point one is BS, the Albertans want no wheat board period.

Does it create a two tier system or not ?

Why are you people always skipping the main facts and just picking at the fringes of all of my arguments?

I see why M.Dancer just does one liners all the time and smears everyone. He is the smartest person on this board and is always right. He sits at home and posts here 12 hours aday and i s always right and his points of view are what I should live my life by.

I fee like smashing everything and stabbing myself in the frickin neck.

I'm going to move to downtown TO and quit my job and start working for greenpeace and OCAP and protest everything that doesn't give free money to anyone who doesn't want to work.

Thanks for setting me straight guys, you've all converted another former bigoted conservative.

Congrats.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[blueblood]

Does it create a two tier system or not ?

Why are you people always skipping the main facts and just picking at the fringes of all of my arguments?

I see why M.Dancer just does one liners all the time and smears everyone. He is the smartest person on this board and is always right. He sits at home and posts here 12 hours aday and i s always right and his points of view are what I should live my life by.

I fee like smashing everything and stabbing myself in the frickin neck.

I'm going to move to downtown TO and quit my job and start working for greenpeace and OCAP and protest everything that doesn't give free money to anyone who doesn't want to work.

Thanks for setting me straight guys, you've all converted another former bigoted conservative.

Congrats.

That would make it a one tier system, complete free market. Reading comp. is a help...

[Mr.Canada]

That would make it a one tier system, complete free market. Reading comp. is a help...

Listen carefully.

Alberta wheat farmers cannot sell their own crop on the free market. They must sell it through the Canadian Wheat Board and in doing so the ALberta farmer doesn't get as much money as an Ontario farmer can get on the free market. Ontario wheat farmers an sell their grain on the free market nad get that higher profit margin that Albert an farmers are denied.

Deny it all you want. That is fact,. In denying it you make yourself look foolish.

Oh yes I forgot, when I'm right no one responds to my threads. Heaven forbid I be right.

[blueblood]

Listen carefully.

Alberta wheat farmers cannot sell their own crop on the free market. They must sell it through the Canadian Wheat Board and in doing so the ALberta farmer doesn't get as much money as an Ontario farmer can get on the free market. Ontario wheat farmers an sell their grain on the free market nad get that higher profit margin that Albert an farmers are denied.

Deny it all you want. That is fact,. In denying it you make yourself look foolish.

Oh yes I forgot, when I'm right no one responds to my threads. Heaven forbid I be right.

I voted for marketing choice in the plebiscite. If it works out in the WTO then all the better, and that's a big if.

Now you listen carefully, I am an ag producer, I know far more about the wheat board than you will ever learn. Albertans want the wheat board gone, that means no two tier system. In their eyes there is no compromise like Ontario. An Ontario farmer gets more money through their wheat board/free market mainly in part to this little thing called transportation costs. It is much cheaper to transport grain from Ontario to port than it is for prairie farmers. If you look at the CWB webpage, you will see the deductions in their PRO's. Sometimes the wheat board gets a better price, sometimes it doesn't. By the way grain sold for feed or ethanol does not have to be sold through the wheat board out west, that is a fact.

[jdobbin]

I'll stick to the issues.

I was referring to the Ontario Wheat Board which came to the attention of Alberta in the Early 1950's under a Liberal government.

It was founded in the late 1950s. Under Leslie Frost in 1958, the Ontario Wheat Board was set up. John Diefenbaker was the prime minister. Both were Conservatives.

In effect this created an unfair and biased two tier market for wheat sellers across Canada. Western Canada is forced to sell to the Canadian Wheat Board whereas Ontario can sell wheat to whomever it wishes. Repeated attempts to set up an Alberta Wheat Board has been blocked by decades of Liberal rule.

The Wheat Board was set up by Conservatives in 1935.

Legislation was created by the Liberals to turn over more authority to farmers to run the board and be elected by directors. The Conservatives tried to unilaterally make changes to the Board and were slapped down by the courts.

[jdobbin]

Oh dear another wheat board argument, JDobbin is going to be having some words with you about this...

Think I pointed out that Ontario and Canadian Wheat Boards were set up by Tories.

[blueblood]

Think I pointed out that Ontario and Canadian Wheat Boards were set up by Tories.

no argument there, it's the tories who also want rid of them.

[jdobbin]

If it works out in the WTO then all the better, and that's a big if.

Think we have gone down this path before. A state trading enterprise run by the Feds can only operate under WTO guidelines if it has a monopoly.

Once the monopoly is gone, the Wheat Board is done. It will happen pretty darn fast too since Canada would be hit with tariffs on a wide range of goods by Americans and Europeans.

[jdobbin]

no argument there, it's the tories who also want rid of them.

All they have to do is follow the law. They have been smacked down by the courts three times for not doing that. It requires a vote in Parliament according to the Act.