Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in Somalia

[Chuck U. Farlie]

The barbarism of people in this world is unbelievable sometimes - what sort of coward stones to death a young woman?!

Guardian article

An Islamist rebel administration in Somalia had a 13-year-old girl stoned to death for adultery after the child's father reported that three men had raped her.

Amnesty International said the al-Shabab militia, which controls the southern port city of Kismayo, arranged for a group of 50 men to stone Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow in front of a crowd of about 1,000 spectators. A lorryload of stones was brought to the stadium for the killing.

Amnesty said that Duhulow struggled with her captors and had to be forcibly carried into the stadium.

"At one point during the stoning, Amnesty International has been told by numerous eyewitnesses that nurses were instructed to check whether Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow was still alive when buried in the ground. They removed her from the ground, declared that she was, and she was replaced in the hole where she had been buried for the stoning to continue," the human rights group said.

"Inside the stadium, militia members opened fire when some of the witnesses to the killing attempted to save her life, and shot dead a boy who was a bystander."

Amnesty said witnesses originally reported that Duhulow was 23-years-old, based on her appearance. But the human rights group found out from her father that she was a child.

Duhulow's father told Amnesty that when they tried to report her rape to the militia, the child was accused of adultery and detained. None of the men Duhulow accused was arrested.

"This was not justice, nor was it an execution," said Amnesty's Somalia campaigner, David Copeman. "This child suffered an horrendous death at the behest of the armed opposition groups who currently control Kismayo.

"This killing is yet another human rights abuse committed by the combatants to the conflict in Somalia, and again demonstrates the importance of international action to investigate and document such abuses, through an international commission of inquiry."

Amnesty said al-Shabab had created a climate of fear in which government officials, journalists and human rights activists faced death threats and killing if they spoke against the militia.

[kengs333]

The barbarism of people in this world is unbelievable sometimes - what sort of coward stones to death a young woman?!

Guardian article

Unlike secular North America where she developes an eating disorder, becomes a crack addicted prostitute, and then commits suicide...

[Mr.Canada]

Unlike secular North America where she developes an eating disorder, becomes a crack addicted prostitute, and then commits suicide...

Only the weak develop those problems. If people raise their children properly and not let the TV do it these aren't issues.

You obviously approve of Sharia Law. Well you may one day get your wish. Keep in mind all homosexuals would be murdered so be careful what you wish for.

[Sir Bandelot]

Somalia is considered one of the most violent regions of the world today. But what was Canadas role there in the 1990's supposed to achieve? Whatever it was, we failed to bring change of any substantial value to this region by sending in our troops. In fact we were shamed by bringing our own violence there, as I just finished reading the wikipedia entry on the Somalia Affair.

Check out the image. There too is some some sick barbarism, on par with Abu Graib. If we had intentions of bringing peace and stability, we failed.

[kengs333]

Only the weak develop those problems. If people raise their children properly and not let the TV do it these aren't issues.

That's the whole point; our society is flawed too.

You obviously approve of Sharia Law. Well you may one day get your wish. Keep in mind all homosexuals would be murdered so be careful what you wish for.

Either you're a complete idiot, or you just haven't been reading the appropriate posts; I've made it quite clear that I have no sympathy for Islam as an ideology, and am deeply disturbed that this country would allow a flood of about 1 million Muslims to emigrate within the course of a mere 15 or so years.

One of my theories on why this is the case is because we've become increasingly dependent on oil, and the West is in no position anymore to disallow Muslim immigration for fear of serious economic reprisals.

So every time you drive to the corner store for cigs or milk, you're contributing to the problem...

[Chuck U. Farlie]

Unlike secular North America where she developes an eating disorder, becomes a crack addicted prostitute, and then commits suicide...

I'm not sure where you are going with this Kengs... Are you suggesting that a rape victim is better off being murdered to save her from herself?

[kengs333]

I'm not sure where you are going with this Kengs... Are you suggesting that a rape victim is better off being murdered to save her from herself?

As per post #5:

"That's the whole point; our society is flawed too."

[eyeball]

The barbarism of people in this world is unbelievable sometimes - what sort of coward stones to death a young woman?!

A religious one I guess. Religion makes everything worse and evolution is likely the only thing that will ever change that.

[Guest American Woman]

As per post #5:

"That's the whole point; our society is flawed too."

The reality is that no nation is ever going to be perfect, while it's also a reality that some nations at different points in time are much more "flawed" than others, so your point is -- pointless.

No family is perfect, but we don't dismiss child abuse and neglect in the families where it happens because other families are "flawed" too.

It seems as if according to you-- little Johnny is being beaten by his parents within an inch of his life, his bones broken, but Joe down the block once gave his child a quick swat on the butt, so what does it matter what's happening to little Johnny? Who are we to criticize Johnny's parents when Joe gave his kid a swat on the butt?

[Mr.Canada]

A religious one I guess. Religion makes everything worse and evolution is likely the only thing that will ever change that.

No, Islamic Fascism makes it worse. That young religion has been hijacked by fascists. That is the true problem.v

[Sir Bandelot]

No, Islamic Fascism makes it worse. That young religion has been hijacked by fascists. That is the true problem.v

Fascists are actually corporatists. The term islamo-fascist has to be the stupidist bushism of all time. I would not use the term fascist to describe muslims in any way. The truth is that most of the western nations, where corporations have legal rights enshrined in the constitution are the real fascists.

Getting back to Somalia, what I said earlier means that the problem is not new there at all, and while I agree this story is horrific and truly sad, nothing has been done about it. I can only assume in the most cynical fashion that since there is no economic gain to sending troops there, unlike Iraq, the situation will continue.

[kengs333]

The reality is that no nation is ever going to be perfect, while it's also a reality that some nations at different points in time are much more "flawed" than others, so your point is -- pointless.

Oh, I see, so now "no nation is ever going to be perfect," is it? So secular American society can't protect its children from immorality and vice, allowing them to spiral into self-destruction and we have to make excuses. Typical American. You can dish it out, but can't take it.

No family is perfect, but we don't dismiss child abuse and neglect in the families where it happens because other families are "flawed" too.

I'm not dismissing anything.

It seems as if according to you-- little Johnny is being beaten by his parents within an inch of his life, his bones broken, but Joe down the block once gave his child a quick swat on the butt, so what does it matter what's happening to little Johnny? Who are we to criticize Johnny's parents when Joe gave his kid a swat on the butt?

The misery that children go through when they are raped in North American society is hardly less severe than anywhere else in the world. The difference is that in idolated instances in some parts of the world--for whatever reason--the child is considered responsible and punished; in North America, we just allow them to destroy their own lives, essentially self-executing themselves over the course of a few decades...

[kengs333]

A religious one I guess. Religion makes everything worse and evolution is likely the only thing that will ever change that.

You would be living in a mudhut in abject misery if it wasn't for Christianity.

[M.Dancer]

Unlike secular North America where she developes an eating disorder, becomes a crack addicted prostitute, and then commits suicide...

The comparison is idiotic on so many levels.

[M.Dancer]

Fascists are actually corporatists.

Speaking of stupid terms...

[Sir Bandelot]

Speaking of stupid terms...

Oh. Woke up a little grouchy today? Can't think of a real criticism, so a simple insult works for you. Doesn't do much to me... the definition of fascism still stands, as quoted by Benito Mussolini himself, author of "Il Fascismo".

I am happy to engage a real debate or discussion anytime, how about you?

[Hcheh]

Fascists are actually corporatists.

Speaking of stupid terms...

but it is true.. the fascist doctrine does not oppress the market like the communists do

[Hcheh]

anyway, they may be pseudo fascists but that doesn't mean that whatever they are doing is not completely sick and absurd.

.... just another totalitarian bunch of fools

Edited November 3, 2008 by Hcheh

[JB Globe]

This case is of course deeply problematic and this issue deserves to be dealt with, however I don't think that's possible in Somalia until a stable government is established there. You can't skip over the steps of establishing a government that can exert its authority, and a functioning legal system, and an effective police force. You need all those things to be present before you start going after human rights abuses in society and trying to change social attitudes.

And I feel it must be said given some of the comments - Muslim-majority countries do not have the monopoly on human rights abuses.

[M.Dancer]

but it is true.. the fascist doctrine does not oppress the market like the communists do

That is neither here nor there. There are many thing the fascists did and didn't do and have no bearing one way or the other in our society today or have relevance on the corporate world.

In fact, it could be argued that the facsists and Nazis interfered heavily in the markets by either a badly managed monetray policy or by diverting raw materials to industries that they saw as the best national interest.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/nazi.htm

http://mises.org/story/1935

[White Doors]

Fascists are actually corporatists. The term islamo-fascist has to be the stupidist bushism of all time. I would not use the term fascist to describe muslims in any way. The truth is that most of the western nations, where corporations have legal rights enshrined in the constitution are the real fascists.

Getting back to Somalia, what I said earlier means that the problem is not new there at all, and while I agree this story is horrific and truly sad, nothing has been done about it. I can only assume in the most cynical fashion that since there is no economic gain to sending troops there, unlike Iraq, the situation will continue.

Corporations are fascists? Do you even realize how dumb that is?

[Hcheh]

That is neither here nor there. There are many thing the fascists did and didn't do and have no bearing one way or the other in our society today or have relevance on the corporate world.

In fact, it could be argued that the facsists and Nazis interfered heavily in the markets by either a badly managed monetray policy or by diverting raw materials to industries that they saw as the best national interest.

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/nazi.htm

http://mises.org/story/1935

Corporations are fascists? Do you even realize how dumb that is?

I thought he was saying that fascists believe in corporations, the market..etc. Fascists can believe in capitalism and it would not be a contradiction of beliefs. On the other hand, communists don't believe in capitalism

At least that is what I was trying to say, I didn't fully read his post before posting

I wouldn't say that western corporations are fascism, that is a bit of a stretch. They may be exhibiting some of the same characteristics, but that is like calling Canada a communist country because we share some socialist ideals.

[White Doors]

Fascists can also believe in 'nationalizing' all industry so it is a moronic statement to make.

[Hcheh]

Fascists can also believe in 'nationalizing' all industry so it is a moronic statement to make.

it is not moronic to draw up the same characteristics of different ideologies.. sure they can believe in nationalizing industry, the term fascism has always been elusive when it comes to definition. it doesn't make it moronic to say that fascists share can capitalist traits or whatever

[White Doors]

it is not moronic to draw up the same characteristics of different ideologies.. sure they can believe in nationalizing industry, the term fascism has always been elusive when it comes to definition. it doesn't make it moronic to say that fascists share can capitalist traits or whatever

uhmm... Yes, yes it does make it moronic.

It's like saying a farm silo is the same as an ICBM.

But if people are more interested in ideology than they are with facts, they will swear that the farm silo and the ICBM are equally dangerous. I'll continue to mock these arguments. It's up to you to decide which side of the mocking you are on.