Federal Liberal Party Civil War!

[jdobbin]

The Tories will NOT go after Layton. There's nothing to be gained for them in that. They'll attack the NDP locally, in BC, for example, but will generally ignore them in the rest of the country. There's nothing to be gained there. NDP votes would not go to the Tories anyway, they'd go to the Liberals.

I don't think you see what I'm getting at. The Tories are not after the NDP core votes if they attack Layton. They are trying to make Liberals think twice about voting NDP rather than Tory. That is what is gained in attacking them.

[Oleg Bach]

It's better to have benevolent and intelligent facism than civl war...what lunitic would even contemplate violence as a way of gaining peace and prosperity and freedom? First thing you have to incrimentally and gently get rid of are people who have no honour or love for society. Politics is a service - but - what I notice with corporate Orwellianism is that any group that attatches the word service to their title usually serve only themselves and create insidious and nasty monopolies - parasites are to be removed gently.

[jdobbin]

Very true. If anything the Tories want more people to vote for the NDP to further dilute the Liberals.

If the Liberal vote collapses completely as it has in some provinces, you see NDP start gaining lots of seats.

In Manitoba for example, the NDP loses election when Liberal support rises higher.

I don't think the Tories can afford to ignore the NDP and hope for a vote split that leaves them coming up the middle. A complete collapse of Liberal support might result in the NDP winning all urban seats and then some.

[Oleg Bach]

The liberals are full of quiet violence.

[Mad_Michael]

I must say that Mike Duffy Live has a lot of scoops lately about the beleaguered Liberal Party.

Mike Duffy is rather an embarrassment for Canadian journalism.

He's a Conservative party hack and has been for decades. Nothing wrong with that, but to pretend that he's a journalist is insulting to real journalists.

[M.Dancer]

Mike Duffy is rather an embarrassment for Canadian journalism.

He's a Conservative party hack and has been for decades. Nothing wrong with that, but to pretend that he's a journalist is insulting to real journalists.

Cite?

[Oleg Bach]

Mike Duffy is rather an embarrassment for Canadian journalism.

He's a Conservative party hack and has been for decades. Nothing wrong with that, but to pretend that he's a journalist is insulting to real journalists.

I could have sworn that he was a sports commentator!~ Jounalism is not a raw raw Roman type spectator sport....for the dull and drunken masses - so I could have sworn ----- OH Duffy the glutton - now i REMEMBER....naw - he can't control his appitite let alone a pen.

[Mad_Michael]

Cite?

The video clip with Elizabeth May makes the point rather clearly. The Puffster was speechless in reply.

[Oleg Bach]

The video clip with Elizabeth May makes the point rather clearly. The Puffster was speechless in reply.

Again -calling Duffy a glutton is not an insult - it is a fact. What I find is that some journalist can be influenced with a drink - others with cash - and this one naturally enough with a big fat steak and a sweet apple pie..The poor man can barely breath - what am I suppose to say - that he is not defective - that he is credible? If he were a skinny female bulemic CNN talking head - I would"insult" her also and deny her credablity - those mildly mentally ill or severyly so are not to be taken to seriously - and Duffy is about 200 lbs over weight - why?

[guyser]

- those mildly mentally ill or severyly so are not to be taken to seriously -

We don't. <cough cough>

[M.Dancer]

The video clip with Elizabeth May makes the point rather clearly. The Puffster was speechless in reply.

The Video Clip? A speechless Duffy is proof he's a conservative party hack?

Sorry, that don't cut it.

[wulf42]

The concept of the Liberal's being dead forever is merely a pipe dream. Back in the 90's people were said the right wing was dead because they were split.

Politcis is like a pendulum. In the 80's it swung the Tories way, the 90's it went to the Liberals, now its swinging back to the Cons and in a few years, it will swing back to the Libs

Well unless they can shake the corruption image and thanks to Chretien that isn't going to happen.....they don't stand a chance...a matter of fact i heard on a talk show this morning

a political professor doubted that the Liberal party will survive another few years.....they simply have no credibility...and they have no plan ...and they have no leader......they are dishonest.......they have no.....well you get the idea................ Liberal's are Kaput!

Here is what Canada thinks of the Liberal party ......!

http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/new...68-20d689627241

Edited October 22, 2008 by wulf42

[PoliticalCitizen]

Liberal's are Kaput!

Liberals are Canada

Red flag, multi-culturalism, French origin, social programs....

Like it or not, we are more a Liberal country than anything else

[PoliticalCitizen]

The Video Clip? A speechless Duffy is proof he's a conservative party hack?

Sorry, that don't cut it.

2 lines, Dancer? WHAT HAPPENED ???

[Who's Doing What?]

blah..blah..blah................the Liberals lost and will never be anything but a side show in the future................get over it!

Liberal party= Kaput!

I seem to remember a two seat sideshow not to far in the past.

[Who's Doing What?]

The Video Clip? A speechless Duffy is proof he's a conservative party hack?

Sorry, that don't cut it.

I don't think he is by any means a party hack but I have no doubt he is a conservative and has been most of if not all of his life.

I think he does a decent job of getting to the bottom of things and getting the story out. There have been a few times where I thought he was showing a bit of bias towards the CPC but by no means enough to say he is a hack, or even a promoter of the CPC.

[Mr.Canada]

I seem to remember a two seat sideshow not to far in the past.

The LPC is far from dead. They need to reinvent themselves like the conservative movement in this country did. SO far they are still the rank and file that ADscam is connected to. They need to distance themselves from that and give Canadians something new to think about. And I don't mean a new carbon tax scheme

EDIT- drewski, can you use the <shift> key more often after periods. It would make your points easier to follow

Edited October 22, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[drewski]

Well unless they can shake the corruption image and thanks to Chretien that isn't going to happen.....they don't stand a chance...a matter of fact i heard on a talk show this morning

a political professor doubted that the Liberal party will survive another few years.....they simply have no credibility...and they have no plan ...and they have no leader......they are dishonest.......they have no.....well you get the idea................ Liberal's are Kaput!

Here is what Canada thinks of the Liberal party ......!

http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/new...68-20d689627241

wishing won't make it so.

as the saying goes, time heals all wounds. bad things wil no doubt befall the Conservatives over the years, possibly many or few, while the memory of the Liberals will soften over time, as all things do. that combined with the rebuilding and reinvention that we admittedly must do, as all parties must do every once in a while (ie the Cons in the past decade), means a Liberal run government is both possible and probable at some point within the next decade. Possibly sooner if the economy REALLY tanks under Harper

Edited October 22, 2008 by drewski

[wulf42]

Liberals are Canada

Red flag, multi-culturalism, French origin, social programs....

Like it or not, we are more a Liberal country than anything else

Really???...............I guess that is why they lost and the Conservatives won...now come on you must be able to see that statement makes no sense................lmao!!

[munsinger]

New Liberal slogan:

"The Land is Wrong"

[betsy]

Very true. If anything the Tories want more people to vote for the NDP to further dilute the Liberals.

The Liberal Party under Dion made the mistake of moving more to the left. The Conservative Party is now the right-center party, and Harper wants it that way.

[betsy]

Here's the video that features McCallum, Orchard and Ledrew on Mike Duffy Live yesterday. It takes quite a while to play....

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/mike-duffy-live/#clip104858

[PoliticalCitizen]

Really???...............I guess that is why they lost and the Conservatives won...now come on you must be able to see that statement makes no sense................lmao!!

Liberals got unseated just because people felt like "punishing" them for bad behaviour.

Once the general opinion is that the punishment has been carried out they'll return to rule as usual - as a majority.

[normanchateau]

Liberals got unseated just because people felt like "punishing" them for bad behaviour.

Once the general opinion is that the punishment has been carried out they'll return to rule as usual

I suspect you're right. The best indicator that the Liberals will return is that the Conservatives have made no meaningful gains in the popular vote. If you look at the numbers in the last five elections, there's no evidence whatsoever that Canadians have suddenly, or even gradually, become right wingers. The right wing vote has been remarkably consistent despite the braying of Conservatives on this board. The problem for the Liberals is that some Liberal voters have moved left. Here are some numbers:

2008 election

Conservative votes =5,205,334 % of votes=37.6%

2006 election

Conservative votes =5,374,071 % of votes=36.3%

2004 election

Conservative votes =3,994,682 % of votes=29.6%

2000 election

Alliance and PCs combined =4,843,927 % of votes=37.7%

1997 election

Reform and PCs combined =4,959,785 % of votes=38.2%

The only Conservative to win a majority in half a century was Brian Mulroney who, unlike Stephen Harper, was (1) not a social conservative and (2) had values consistent with those of most Quebecers. As long as Harper supporters continue to insist that he's not a social conservative, they're doomed to minority status. Meanwhile, the Liberals will surge again under a new leader.

[wulf42]

Liberals got unseated just because people felt like "punishing" them for bad behaviour.

Once the general opinion is that the punishment has been carried out they'll return to rule as usual - as a majority.

lol.....they got unseated because nobody can trust them........they are a bunch of crooks...............you will never see the Liberals in power again.......like i said i have seen several talk shows most experts think it is the end for the Liberal party.