JerrySeinfeld Posted October 15, 2008 Report Posted October 15, 2008 The big bee in the bonnet of Ahmadinejad and the other mid-east kooks seems to be Israel - it's existence in the Mid East. Personally, I think it's just a lightening rod - the same way Hitler directed hatred toward the Jews as a method of dictatorship ("direction of popular discontent"). Having seen enough footage and read enough direct quotes from radical fundamentalist Muslims, I'm convinced their goal goes a lot deeper than getting Israel out of Mid East. It's pretty clear these people hate anyone who isn't like them. They want them dead or converted or subordinated. And they want to destroy freedom, the USA, and conquer the world. That is pretty clear. I think it would be a very interesting test to see how these kooks would react if we all of a sudden agreed to move Israel to, say Germany. Man. If all of these nutjobs weren't floating on oil, how wonderful it would be to face them down in the absence of an Israeli state. Can you say obliteration? Quote
Topaz Posted October 15, 2008 Report Posted October 15, 2008 (edited) Instead of moving it the US can just made it one of the states. It gives this country over 100MIL a year so it may as well become part of the US. Edited October 21, 2008 by Charles Anthony deleted re-copied Opening Post Quote
kengs333 Posted October 16, 2008 Report Posted October 16, 2008 Why not turn it into an episode of Relocation, Relocation... Israel is where it is for a reason. The Zionists wanted it there, it was created even though the land was already occupied, so I say live with the consequences. Quote
moderateamericain Posted October 16, 2008 Report Posted October 16, 2008 Why not turn it into an episode of Relocation, Relocation... Israel is where it is for a reason. The Zionists wanted it there, it was created even though the land was already occupied, so I say live with the consequences. that is Definetly some good revisionist history you got there. Especially since the Jewish religion has been around far longer than Islam. And since the original inhabitants of the area practiced a form of the Jewish faith. I think it's only fair to see the Islamic religion can't quite call dibs on the basis they were there first. Quote
Kitch Posted October 16, 2008 Report Posted October 16, 2008 that is Definetly some good revisionist history you got there. Especially since the Jewish religion has been around far longer than Islam. And since the original inhabitants of the area practiced a form of the Jewish faith. I think it's only fair to see the Islamic religion can't quite call dibs on the basis they were there first. By that logic, North America should be given back to North American Natives. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 16, 2008 Report Posted October 16, 2008 I think it's just a lightening rod My thoughts exactly. Have you hear of the Jewish Autonomous Region with the capital of Birobidjan, founded by Stalin in the far East? Nobody hated them there... Quote You are what you do.
moderateamericain Posted October 16, 2008 Report Posted October 16, 2008 By that logic, North America should be given back to North American Natives. Only difference is the Native American Culture is almost extinct while the Jewish state thrives there still. Quote
kengs333 Posted October 17, 2008 Report Posted October 17, 2008 that is Definetly some good revisionist history you got there. Especially since the Jewish religion has been around far longer than Islam. And since the original inhabitants of the area practiced a form of the Jewish faith. I think it's only fair to see the Islamic religion can't quite call dibs on the basis they were there first. I don't know if you understand the connotation that "revisionist" has when it comes to history... but whatever the case, it may surprise you to learn that the Jews were defeated and forced to disperse from what is now Israel about two thousand years ago. They lost the land, and just like any other losing nation is not entitled to it. Over the centuries, there were always some Jews living in the region, but it was not until the late 19th century that there was a drive to reclaim the lost homeland. That's fact, not revisionism. Quote
kengs333 Posted October 17, 2008 Report Posted October 17, 2008 Only difference is the Native American Culture is almost extinct while the Jewish state thrives there still. Members of many Native American groups would disagree stringly with you. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 17, 2008 Report Posted October 17, 2008 Over the centuries, there were always some Jews living in the region, but it was not until the late 19th century that there was a drive to reclaim the lost homeland. That's fact, not revisionism. There were enough Jews still in there that it was the Jews who fought the Crusaders in Haifa and kept them out of the city. At the time of the crusades there were 50 sizable Jewish communities while the largest Jewish community was in Alexandria just across the river... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted October 17, 2008 Report Posted October 17, 2008 There were enough Jews still in there that it was the Jews who fought the Crusaders in Haifa and kept them out of the city. At the time of the crusades there were 50 sizable Jewish communities while the largest Jewish community was in Alexandria just across the river... You're point being...? Jews lived in the region and got along relatively well with the Muslims until the Zionist movement came along in the late 19th century and tried to displace the Muslims? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted October 17, 2008 Report Posted October 17, 2008 You're point being...? Jews lived in the region and got along relatively well with the Muslims until the Zionist movement came along in the late 19th century and tried to displace the Muslims? All are Abrahamites - and they better get along soon. The world will not tolerate an ancient brotherly feud forever. What bothers me is that most Jews may celebrate their holidays but most are actually quite secularized. My brother and I sued a Jewish Child Protection group that took two of his infants on the grounds that his French Canadian Catholic wife was once married to a Jew. I noticed that they did not hire a "good Jewish law firm" _ but hired an upscale anglo one. Having said that - what became apparent after they in five minutes converted his kids (note - Russian orthodox Christian father and Catholic mother) to their "religion" in a civil court...was the fact that our society gave them trememdous power. Their lawyers had the nerve to call us "nominal" Christians - as if they were experts....The case went all the way to the Supreme Court...IN the end I leaned one thing - The highly orgainized Jews were nothing but henchmen doing the dirty work of the elite anglo social controlers...This buisness that the Jews run the world is simply not true...again having said that.. It is about time that the west stop enforcing so-called protection of so-called Jews - most of which I noticed were NOMINAL.. Israel in my estimation what was once a good idea for the Jews is now but a tool for high powered Anglos and elite Europeans....The state is not holy - and to give one brother (Israel) a billion in aid - and the other brother (Palistine) 50 bucks.....Has the results of turning Palistine into a capitve slave state - and it is ironic that the Jews who go on about escaping ancient bondage - are now the surrogate keeper of a prison camp called Palistine - some one should set them straight - and stop spoiling them - we have a state of lazy brats who are dependant on nuclear bombs controled by America - and it is not the Jewish lobby - It is the anglo oil guys that USE the poor silly Jews...anyway - that's what I see.. Perhaps someone should finally tell the truth and bring peace - lies seemed not to be working. Quote
marcinmoka Posted October 18, 2008 Report Posted October 18, 2008 Anyone ever read Yiddish Policeman's Union? Quote " Influence is far more powerful than control"
M.Dancer Posted October 18, 2008 Report Posted October 18, 2008 You're point being...? That it is some what disingenous to say "some" jews when in fact it was a sizable population. Jews lived in the region and got along relatively well with the Muslims until the Zionist movement came along in the late 19th century and tried to displace the Muslims? Is this a question? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Posted October 18, 2008 That it is some what disingenous to say "some" jews when in fact it was a sizable population. Some: some /sʌm; unstressed səm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suhm; unstressed suhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. being an undetermined or unspecified one: Some person may object. 2. (used with plural nouns) certain: Some days I stay home. 3. of a certain unspecified number, amount, degree, etc.: to some extent. 4. unspecified but considerable in number, amount, degree, etc.: We talked for some time. He was here some weeks. 5. Informal. of impressive or remarkable quality, consequence, extent, etc.: That was some storm. –pronoun 6. certain persons, individuals, instances, etc., not specified: Some think he is dead. 7. an unspecified number, amount, etc., as distinguished from the rest or in addition: He paid a thousand dollars and then some. –adverb 8. (used with numerals and with words expressing degree, extent, etc.) approximately; about: Some 300 were present. 9. Informal. to some degree or extent; somewhat: I like baseball some. She is feeling some better today. 10. Informal. to a great degree or extent; considerably: That's going some. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Origin: bef. 900; ME (adj. and pronoun); OE sum orig., someone; c. MLG, MHG sum, ON sumr, Goth sums] —Usage note As pronouns, both some and any may be used in affirmative or negative questions: Will you (won't you) have some? Do you (don't you) have any? But some is used in affirmative statements and answers: You may have some. Yes, I'd like some. And in negative statements and answers, any is the usual choice: I don't care for any. No, I can't take any. (dictionary.com) Is this a question? Is this a question? Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 18, 2008 Report Posted October 18, 2008 Some:Is this a question? Yes. <retorical question>Are you smart enough to answer it?</rhetorical question> Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Posted October 18, 2008 Yes. <retorical question>Are you smart enough to answer it?</rhetorical question> I still don't think you get it... Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 18, 2008 Report Posted October 18, 2008 I still don't think you get it... Probably because my wit isn't as tar like as yours. Jews lived in the region and got along relatively well with the Muslims until the Zionist movement came along in the late 19th century and tried to displace the Muslims? Explain what the question is. If it's too hard, just don't bother. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Posted October 18, 2008 Probably because my wit isn't as tar like as yours.Explain what the question is. If it's too hard, just don't bother. The question is clear enough; if you can't figure it out, it's not my problem. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 18, 2008 Report Posted October 18, 2008 The question is clear enough; if you can't figure it out, it's not my problem. Actually communicating is your problem. And I was right, you aren't smart enough to explain .... Jews lived in the region and got along relatively well with the Muslims until the Zionist movement came along in the late 19th century and tried to displace the Muslims? ....what the question is.... Give you a hint ...questions have words in them like, "Why" "how" "when" "where" "if" "Do" "who" "can".... If you still having trouble I can arrange for you to sit with leafless for some remedial arthritic English classes... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted October 19, 2008 Report Posted October 19, 2008 Goodness! Don't you know what the purpose of a "question mark" [one of these things --> ?] is? [<-- note "question mark"] The purpose actually needs to be explained to you? [note the absence of: "Why" "how" "when" "where" "if" "Do" "who" "can"...] Quote
BC_chick Posted October 19, 2008 Report Posted October 19, 2008 I think it would be a very interesting test to see how these kooks would react if we all of a sudden agreed to move Israel to, say Germany. You'll finally get the flowers that Dick Cheney promised you. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
M.Dancer Posted October 20, 2008 Report Posted October 20, 2008 Goodness! Don't you know what the purpose of a "question mark" [one of these things --> ?] is? [<-- note "question mark"] The purpose actually needs to be explained to you? [note the absence of: "Why" "how" "when" "where" "if" "Do" "who" "can"...] Arthritic grasp of the english language. Meet leafless after school for remedial instruction. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kengs333 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 Arthritic grasp of the english language. Meet leafless after school for remedial instruction. Speak for yourself... The "note the absence of" was in reference to this question "The purpose actually needs to be explained to you?" Learn how to read. Quote
jbg Posted October 21, 2008 Report Posted October 21, 2008 I think it would be a very interesting test to see how these kooks would react if we all of a sudden agreed to move Israel to, say Germany.Man. If all of these nutjobs weren't floating on oil, how wonderful it would be to face them down in the absence of an Israeli state. Can you say obliteration? We know that if Israel weren't there Muslims would live in peace with each other. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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