Dion's 3 strikes interview

M.Dancer · October 10, 2008

He has told you that. He said he will sit down with experts and come up with a plan.

That is not a plan. That's a plan to hopefully get a plan, maybe. Which is why Dion is scrambling to explain why he couldn't answer the question....what could he say?

If I was already PM I would have sat down with experts and I would have a plan which of course would be an expert plan...

Given that this has caught no one by surprise, why hasn't he sat down already with the experts? I imagine he did..they said no new taxes and reduce taxes....

Who's Doing What? · October 10, 2008

But I thought it was only at cocktail parties and the like?
Why did it take four times?

Why hasn't this happened before?

Come on. Do you really think people are that stupid?

It could be the pitch of the person talking. Some people I can hear quite well while other people's voices are almost inaudible. Both may be speaking at the same volume but due to the pitch of their voice I can hear one far better than the other.

And yes I do think people are that stupid. I have witnessed more stupidity around here than I care to remember. From my perspective stupidity knows no political boundaries.

Jobu · October 10, 2008

Excuse me I thought all the economic experts that say were are headed for job loses and economic turmoil knew what they were talking about. You are looking at past stands largely a result of Paul Martins Budgets. Not projected stats largely as a result of American economic spill over into Canada. If anything you are giving people a good reason too vote Liberals. All your examples are result of long term financial management.

M.Dancer · October 10, 2008

Excuse me I thought all the economic experts that say were are headed for job loses and economic turmoil knew what they were talking about.

Are these the experts who were gobstruck by unprecedented job growth the same ones Dion hopes to sit down with?

Jobu · October 10, 2008

It could be the pitch of the person talking. Some people I can hear quite well while other people's voices are almost inaudible. Both may be speaking at the same volume but due to the pitch of their voice I can hear one far better than the other.
And yes I do think people are that stupid. I have witnessed more stupidity around here than I care to remember. From my perspective stupidity knows no political boundaries.

The problem in this case was not at all hearing. He could obviously hear. He just didn't have an answer and bungled in his attempt to portray that he does have some sort of plan.

Who's Doing What? · October 10, 2008

The problem in this case was not at all hearing. He could obviously hear. He just didn't have an answer and bungled in his attempt to portray that he does have some sort of plan.

So the actions he has said he will take if he becomes elected, something he has sort of "planned" out, is not a plan?

OK, well I will listen to MR. Harper then and sink my savings into the market because Now is a good time to buy cheap stocks.

:rolleyes:

blueblood · October 10, 2008

Boohoo, Dion got roasted. It's alright to roast Harper on his gaffe in Quebec, but it's not alright to attack Dion, please. Tit for Tat. As for the Liberals not being mean spirited, lets look at their campaign against Stockwell Day for believing in something (apparently Christianity isn't proper for a PM) and the whole Harper scary scary thing. Harper thinks Dion is incompetant and now can back it up. Harper should be attacking more, the mean spirited defence is like trying to make fun of Harper being a tory.

The Liberals might pay the price for this one plus tax.

Jobu · October 10, 2008

So the actions he has said he will take if he becomes elected, something he has sort of "planned" out, is not a plan?
OK, well I will listen to MR. Harper then and sink my savings into the market because Now is a good time to buy cheap stocks.

So a plan to make a plan is a plan?

Wasn't it the LPC trying to hit home on the "hidden agenda" issue?

Either Dion has a hidden agenda or he's out to lunch.

Me, I'm going with the latter.

Who's Doing What? · October 10, 2008

So a plan to make a plan is a plan?
Wasn't it the LPC trying to hit home on the "hidden agenda" issue?

Either Dion has a hidden agenda or he's out to lunch.

Me, I'm going with the latter.

Um, ya. Atleast it is a plan to take some kind of action. Not sit back and watch as peoples retirement savings are destroyed as the market continues it's freefall.

THe same could be said about Harper, either having a hidden agenda or being out to lunch. Just how are people supposed to reinvest when their portfolio's are worth mere pennies of what they were 3 months ago?

Only the rich have the money to invest. Oh wait those are Harpers favorite people, no wonder he is out of touch.

If you are going to sink your money in to the market right now, I would hold onto enough to pay your rent next month cause you will likely need it. This crash is not near over.

Oleg Bach · October 10, 2008

This incident is key - To lead you must have full force of personality, mind and spirit. You also have to be an athlete...THIS IS ABOUT PHYSICAL ENDURANCE AND LASTING POWER....

Dion faltered and swooned...He dithered because he was phyically exhausted..this means if he can not endure the road work for a few short weeks - THEN HOW WILL HE HAVE THE ENDURANCE TO LEAD...A LEADER MUST BY MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY STRONG - THIS IS REALITY - IT'S OVER FOR HIM!

independent · October 10, 2008

Are these the experts who were gobstruck by unprecedented job growth the same ones Dion hopes to sit down with?

The guy who realises there is a problem and wants too consult experts

or the guy who ignores the problem and ignores the experts and plans to do nothing.

Who should I pick? I'll take the guy that cares.

Harper advice. There are some good stock buys out there. NO Harper that will not help those people that lose their jobs.

Who's Doing What? · October 10, 2008

Boohoo, Dion got roasted. It's alright to roast Harper on his gaffe in Quebec, but it's not alright to attack Dion, please. Tit for Tat. As for the Liberals not being mean spirited, lets look at their campaign against Stockwell Day for believing in something (apparently Christianity isn't proper for a PM) and the whole Harper scary scary thing. Harper thinks Dion is incompetant and now can back it up. Harper should be attacking more, the mean spirited defence is like trying to make fun of Harper being a tory.
The Liberals might pay the price for this one plus tax.

LMAO

You are one of the last people who should be bringing up "what is good for the goose is good for the gander", after defending the CPC every step of the way as they pulled the same stunts you crucified the Liberals for doing.

Jobu · October 10, 2008

Um, ya. Atleast it is a plan to take some kind of action. Not sit back and watch as peoples retirement savings are destroyed as the market continues it's freefall.
THe same could be said about Harper, either having a hidden agenda or being out to lunch. Just how are people supposed to reinvest when their portfolio's are worth mere pennies of what they were 3 months ago?

Only the rich have the money to invest. Oh wait those are Harpers favorite people, no wonder he is out of touch.

If you are going to sink your money in to the market right now, I would hold onto enough to pay your rent next month cause you will likely need it. This crash is not near over.

The crash is not near over? Really? How do you know. If you're so sure, you can make a killing in this market.

More to the point, I will point out again that Harper's plan is already in action, has been for some time, and is a big reason why we're all set to go. Without an economically debilitating carbon tax.

- #1 economy in the G7

- #1 banking system in the world

- Surpluses ahead of projections

- 30-year low unemployment

- Wage growth significantly outpacing inflation

- September job gains the most since StatsCan starting calculating these stats in over 30 years

- Flaherty at G7 meetings as we speak

What more do you want in this environment?

Edited October 10, 2008 by Jobu

eyeball · October 10, 2008

How could anyone possibly have a plan for what's happening right now in the economy? If anything we should be pissed off because no one saw this coming. If someone did have a plan based on their knowing this was coming why the hell did they they wait so long to share their forsight with everyone else?

If Harper knew this was coming why on Earth did he wait until it started to call an election? If he didn't know it was coming what does that say about his ability to forsee events? As near as I can tell he's just plowing along a full speed through the darkness without a clue about what's up ahead. Dion on the other hand seems aware of the gaps in his knowledge and is taking the appropriate action. Using the captain of the ship analogy, Dion is tuning his radar for the conditions so he can see what's ahead and respond more quickly with a course change if need be. Steady as she goes Harper reminds me of the skipper of the Titanic.

As for this flap over an interview gone awry...Duffy could have just as easily asked the question in French if he thought it was so important. By the same token I suppose Dion could have had an interpreter. In any case its a bit of a stretch to imagine Dion will be thinking in English about any important economic decisions he might have to make.

Jobu · October 10, 2008

The guy who realises there is a problem and wants too consult experts
or the guy who ignores the problem and ignores the experts and plans to do nothing.

Who should I pick? I'll take the guy that cares.

Harper advice. There are some good stock buys out there. NO Harper that will not help those people that lose their jobs.

Where is the evidence that Harper is ignoring the problem?

He and his Ministers are in constant communication with the authorities.

As for jobs, didn't you see? Most jobs ever in a month in September, over 100,000 (at least since the reporting of the stat). More than under Chretien or Martin, in any month, ever.

blueblood · October 10, 2008

LMAO
You are one of the last people who should be bringing up "what is good for the goose is good for the gander", after defending the CPC every step of the way as they pulled the same stunts you crucified the Liberals for doing.

I've criticized Quebecers for putting arts funding at a higher priority than the economy, I've not been happy with Harper's campaign as of late. I'll defend my post, so it's alright for you to attack Harper, but I can't attack Dion? JDobbin gets that luxury, why don't I???

Who's Doing What? · October 10, 2008

The crash is not near over? Really? How do you know. If you're so sure, you can make a killing in this market.
More to the point, I will point out again that Harper's plan is already in action, has been for some time, and is a big reason why we're all set to go. Without an economically debilitating carbon tax.

- #1 economy in the G7

- #1 banking system in the world

- Surpluses ahead of projections

- 30-year low unemployment

- Wage growth significantly outpacing inflation

- September job gains the most since StatsCan starting calculating these stats in over 30 years

- Flaherty at G7 meetings as we speak

What more do you want in this environment?

Hmmm..... Today the dollar has fallen almost 4 more cents, the TSX is down almost 700 points, but I am just pulling this out of my arse.

Harper is right, nothing wrong with the economy. Go out and buy some stock, because when your full-time job is scuttled there will be plenty of part-time jobs you can work to pay the bills.

Ya about those September job gains. 107,000 jobs created, 97,000 of them part time. Overall However, we have lost 167,000 manufacturing jobs since the CPC took office. But no worries, herr Harper says everything is A-OK!

Oleg Bach · October 10, 2008

How could anyone possibly have a plan for what's happening right now in the economy? If anything we should be pissed off because no one saw this coming. If someone did have a plan based on their knowing this was coming why the hell did they they wait so long to share their forsight with everyone else?
If Harper knew this was coming why on Earth did he wait until it started to call an election? If he didn't know it was coming what does that say about his ability to forsee events? As near as I can tell he's just plowing along a full speed through the darkness without a clue about what's up ahead. Dion on the other hand seems aware of the gaps in his knowledge and is taking the appropriate action. Using the captain of the ship analogy, Dion is tuning his radar for the conditions so he can see what's ahead and respond more quickly with a course change if need be. Steady as she goes Harper reminds me of the skipper of the Titanic.

As for this flap over an interview gone awry...Duffy could have just as easily asked the question in French if he thought it was so important. By the same token I suppose Dion could have had an interpreter. In any case its a bit of a stretch to imagine Dion will be thinking in English about any important economic decisions he might have to make.

Media had better do what they have to do for their owners if they want to keep working - and if doing a quick take down of Dion will keep them working then so be it - It's every man and woman for themselves at this point - If Dion sways like some tired book worm told to run the race - to damned bad..He has no plan - as for Harper . He will continue to take his advice from the bankers...Now do you want to see the banks collapse so we can all feel liberally good or do you want to survive by being tough? Liberalism is a defective life style - It leads to rude awakenings. Harper is done with the Cheneyites and owes them nothing at this point...Of course the Americans threatened Harper - eg..."do what you are told regarding military contracts or we will hurt you finacially" Apparently the Bushites and their henchmen cut their own throats by staying to long at the fair. :lol: We are in the clear - and I would rather have a beer with Sarah Palin than smoke a dupe with that twinkle Dion and his buddy Vladimire daycare Layton.

jdobbin · October 10, 2008

I'll defend my post, so it's alright for you to attack Harper, but I can't attack Dion? JDobbin gets that luxury, why don't I???

I haven't criticized Dion? I think you know my posts well enough to know that I certainly have lots of criticism of some his policies. In any event, why do I get dragged into this?

Who's Doing What? · October 10, 2008

I've criticized Quebecers for putting arts funding at a higher priority than the economy, I've not been happy with Harper's campaign as of late. I'll defend my post, so it's alright for you to attack Harper, but I can't attack Dion? JDobbin gets that luxury, why don't I???

Just the irony, of the typical CPC response, I suppose.

You try and justify everything by pointing out that someone else is/has been doing it. Something more expected from a 10yr old but it has been the CPC MO since taking power.

jdobbin · October 10, 2008

No he isn't.

I guess that's your opinion. It isn't like it was going to change your vote.

jdobbin · October 10, 2008

Out of tissues?

Thanks don't need any. Some people need a bag of cheesies though.

Oleg Bach · October 10, 2008

Thanks don't need any. Some people need a bag of cheesies though.

I hope they are the crunchy kind.

independent · October 10, 2008

Where is the evidence that Harper is ignoring the problem?
He and his Ministers are in constant communication with the authorities.

As for jobs, didn't you see? Most jobs ever in a month in September, over 100,000 (at least since the reporting of the stat). More than under Chretien or Martin, in any month, ever.

It is Paul Martin that put the house in order. Everything you mentioned is a result of that. When you pay off debt more money becomes available to you the next year because of reduced interest charges.