Gun Control Doesn't work...Never did, Never will!

PoliticalCitizen · October 4, 2008

Locked up in a safe, with a trigger lock, with the ammo in a different spot locked up you mean?
I guess I dont know. Perhaps the lockers at the gun range were all spoken for.

First you have to admit that guns in the hands of collectors are not kept for any other purpose than a hobby or for shooting at a range.

Yes hunters use them for hunting, all legal and the only way we could get meat historically.

I believe your argument is unsuccesful because you think that guns are only for killing people. And we both know that aint true.

I believe hunting should be illegal as well.

You should not be allowed to kill an animal you didn't raise.

PoliticalCitizen · October 4, 2008

Well how many people do you think die each day from drug overdose...i am willing to bet more than die from gunfire.......at least in North America

I never said guns kill more than drugs.

I said guns are designed to kill, and as alternative applications - sports, marksmanship etc.

Drugs are designed to get high, and as a side-effect they kill.

wulf42 · October 4, 2008

I said guns are designed to kill, and as alternative applications - sports, marksmanship etc.

But it is for the second application that they shouldn t be banned............many people like to shoot and never plan on killing anything!

PoliticalCitizen · October 5, 2008

But it is for the second application that they shouldn t be banned............many people like to shoot and never plan on killing anything!

Interesting concept... It's like saying there's many people who like to masturbate but never plan on fucking anyone

GostHacked · October 5, 2008

A gun is an instrument of killing.
A car is a means of transprotation.

I guess it's hard to grasp...

A car is just a transport vehicle to deliver you to the gun range.

A gun is just a transport vehicle to deliver a bullet to the target. If you want to break it down that far.

wulf42 · October 5, 2008

A car is just a transport vehicle to deliver you to the gun range.
A gun is just a transport vehicle to deliver a bullet to the target. If you want to break it down that far.

And just to break it down further ........and this is the most important factor the gun is only and instrument or object... it has no thought.... it is the human behind it that makes it dangerous or not dangerous the same as a car or knife or baseball bat...etc....if you go into a mall you could likely stab more people than you could shoot with a hunting rifle...and with a knife nobody would hear you until after you killed a dozen or so people....its the human mind that decides if a object is deadly or not!

Edited October 5, 2008 by wulf42

PoliticalCitizen · October 6, 2008

A car is just a transport vehicle to deliver you to the gun range.
A gun is just a transport vehicle to deliver a bullet to the target. If you want to break it down that far.

Hahahaha...

You really went out of your way trying to describe shit in a way that doesn't stink...

Why would you be delivering bullets? To IM with your friend?

Oh, you can try this: To temporarily or permanently disable some or all vital functions of a living organism, sometimes causing property damage via high-velocity impact...

It's still KILL.

PoliticalCitizen · October 6, 2008

And just to break it down further ........and this is the most important factor the gun is only and instrument or object... it has no thought.... it is the human behind it that makes it dangerous or not dangerous the same as a car or knife or baseball bat...etc....if you go into a mall you could likely stab more people than you could shoot with a hunting rifle...and with a knife nobody would hear you until after you killed a dozen or so people....its the human mind that decides if a object is deadly or not!

When you take a look at a medieval instrument such as an iron maiden, do you see it as a work of art? Maybe an agricultural device? Or a time-travel module?

Does your mind decide an iron maiden is deadly? Or beautiful?

I sense there's a great difference between how you and I interpret reality...

White Doors · October 6, 2008

I believe hunting should be illegal as well.
You should not be allowed to kill an animal you didn't raise.

If YOU don't like guns, don't buy one.

if YOU don't like hunting, don't hunt.

Why do you feel just pushing your views on others?

Are you an evangelical?

GostHacked · October 6, 2008

Hahahaha...
You really went out of your way trying to describe shit in a way that doesn't stink...

Why would you be delivering bullets? To IM with your friend?

Oh, you can try this: To temporarily or permanently disable some or all vital functions of a living organism, sometimes causing property damage via high-velocity impact...

It's still KILL.

And I can kill or disable you with my bare hands, are you going to take my hands away then? Sure my hands were not designed to kill, but with some training, one can certainly kill with bare hands. But my concious tells me that I will suffer consequences when that happens. People who kill, lack the ability to take 5 seconds and think about the reactions to the action. Put a toothpik in a crazed mans hands and you can suffer greatly.

It only smells to you. I have no problem with sane people owning/carrying/storing firearms. I do support better education on firearms and the lethality of them. The gun is something you must respect. You must understand how potentialy fatal a gun is in the wrong hands. In the right hands, it is a tool. A nail gun has as much potential to be deadly if not handled with respect and in a safe manner. So better education and training in how to properly use firearms is essential.

Guns don't kill people. People with guns/knives/clubs/the latest John Tesh cd, kill people.

guyser · October 6, 2008

I guess it's hard to grasp...

Apparently it is .

You are dishonest in this debate.

Meat packers = good

Hunter (for the same thing) = bad

Not to mention a gun has virtually never killed anyone, ever.

PoliticalCitizen · October 7, 2008

If YOU don't like guns, don't buy one.
if YOU don't like hunting, don't hunt.

Why do you feel just pushing your views on others?

Are you an evangelical?

That's what forums are for, my friend

PoliticalCitizen · October 7, 2008

And I can kill or disable you with my bare hands, are you going to take my hands away then? Sure my hands were not designed to kill, but with some training, one can certainly kill with bare hands. But my concious tells me that I will suffer consequences when that happens. People who kill, lack the ability to take 5 seconds and think about the reactions to the action. Put a toothpik in a crazed mans hands and you can suffer greatly.
It only smells to you. I have no problem with sane people owning/carrying/storing firearms. I do support better education on firearms and the lethality of them. The gun is something you must respect. You must understand how potentialy fatal a gun is in the wrong hands. In the right hands, it is a tool. A nail gun has as much potential to be deadly if not handled with respect and in a safe manner. So better education and training in how to properly use firearms is essential.

Guns don't kill people. People with guns/knives/clubs/the latest John Tesh cd, kill people.

That's more of thes same bullshit.

It is a simple fact: any gun is an instrument of murder.

Should I be allowed to carry around a small nuclear device? It doesn't kill people, does it?

PoliticalCitizen · October 7, 2008

Apparently it is .
You are dishonest in this debate.

Meat packers = good

Hunter (for the same thing) = bad

Not to mention a gun has virtually never killed anyone, ever.

Animals killed at slaughterhouses were bred and raised by humans and in a sense only exist to be eaten by us.

A wild animal has rights. How would YOU like to be hunted?

AngusThermopyle · October 7, 2008

A wild animal has rights. How would YOU like to be hunted?

This has to be the winner of the most ridiculous post of the month right here.

Okay, you said it, now prove it. Show us where it lists the deers right not to be hunted. Any legal document will do, the Charter, federal, provincial, municipal, any document.

Hell, a bubble gum wrapper will do, come on, trot it out and show us where these "rights" are listed.

Animals killed at slaughterhouses were bred and raised by humans and in a sense only exist to be eaten by us.

I see, so by what mechanism are "rights" removed from these animals yet granted to others. We won't even touch on the moral aspect of why its okay to kill and eat some animals but not others.

Edited October 7, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

White Doors · October 7, 2008

Animals killed at slaughterhouses were bred and raised by humans and in a sense only exist to be eaten by us.
A wild animal has rights. How would YOU like to be hunted?

A wild animal has rights? are you kidding me? Hunters are by and far conservationists of the environment. Have you seen the deer population explode where you are? Well it has and to unhealthy levels. Why? by and large because there are less and less hunters to keep the deer population in check. This over population is having bad effects on the environment in scores of places that are trying to grow trees & fauna, especially the rarer kinds.

Wild animals should be treated with respect and have the populations managed when it gets out of control and when there are not enough of them. Hunters want the population of their game to be healthy and know alot more about it than you do - evidentally.

moderateamericain · October 7, 2008

Look troll, Taking away peoples right to bare arms will only plunge us right into what Eastern Europe and the Chinese found out the hard way. The government is not your friend. Being a russian (or so you claim to be) You would think you would understand this at this point. Apparently the genocide of your people for the last 100 years at the hands of your own government. Didn't sink the lesson in. Well guess what? It did over here. So wake up smell the coffee. Gun control is only for Mao and Communist.

PoliticalCitizen · October 7, 2008

This has to be the winner of the most ridiculous post of the month right here.
Okay, you said it, now prove it. Show us where it lists the deers right not to be hunted. Any legal document will do, the Charter, federal, provincial, municipal, any document.

Hell, a bubble gum wrapper will do, come on, trot it out and show us where these "rights" are listed.

I see, so by what mechanism are "rights" removed from these animals yet granted to others. We won't even touch on the moral aspect of why its okay to kill and eat some animals but not others.

Of course there's no such written law, I never said there was.

I expressed my OPINION, you are free to disagree with it.

PoliticalCitizen · October 7, 2008

A wild animal has rights? are you kidding me? Hunters are by and far conservationists of the environment. Have you seen the deer population explode where you are? Well it has and to unhealthy levels. Why? by and large because there are less and less hunters to keep the deer population in check. This over population is having bad effects on the environment in scores of places that are trying to grow trees & fauna, especially the rarer kinds.
Wild animals should be treated with respect and have the populations managed when it gets out of control and when there are not enough of them. Hunters want the population of their game to be healthy and know alot more about it than you do - evidentally.

Let the wolves and bears keep the dear population in check. Or food supply. Or natural selection.

Taking a life of an animal that you didn't raise when you don't need its flesh for sustenance is wrong.

PoliticalCitizen · October 7, 2008

Look troll, Taking away peoples right to bare arms will only plunge us right into what Eastern Europe and the Chinese found out the hard way. The government is not your friend. Being a russian (or so you claim to be) You would think you would understand this at this point. Apparently the genocide of your people for the last 100 years at the hands of your own government. Didn't sink the lesson in. Well guess what? It did over here. So wake up smell the coffee. Gun control is only for Mao and Communist.

So I'm a troll because you disagree with my opinion?

It's hard to envy you then as there must be a lot of trolls in your life...

"Bare arms" as in roll up sleeves? I never said I'm against that

I do not claim to be Russian - I'm not. I was a citizen of USSR, which was a great example of gun control.

Do you personally own a weapon? WHO are you planning to use it against?

Army Guy · October 7, 2008

Animals killed at slaughterhouses were bred and raised by humans and in a sense only exist to be eaten by us.

So it's alright to kill and eat animals that we raise such as cow's, pigs, chickens, turkeys....but also deer, moose, partrige, pheasent, as long as it is raised on a farm.... The only really difference is how you kill it, Farmed raised animals have a steel rod driven into your skull, or throat slit

Animals that are hunting die from fire arms...

A wild animal has rights. How would YOU like to be hunted?

Shit this better not get out to all them cows and chickens and pigs.....can you imagine the riots there would be if they found out wild animals had rights and they did not....

Hey do you think there would be any money in it , i mean lobbing parlimant to get Cows and pigs rights....Can you send me a copy of these rights as well, i'll use it as a template for raised animal rights....Shit this could be big....i mean TV adds, maybe an appearance with those green peace guys....Maybe a picture with Pamala.....man this is huge, not pamala ...OK her boobs are huge ...but this rights thing might be my ticket to the big leagues........gotta go....

PoliticalCitizen · October 7, 2008

Hey do you think there would be any money in it , i mean lobbing parlimant to get Cows and pigs rights....Can you send me a copy of these rights as well, i'll use it as a template for raised animal rights....Shit this could be big....i mean TV adds, maybe an appearance with those green peace guys....Maybe a picture with Pamala.....man this is huge, not pamala ...OK her boobs are huge ...but this rights thing might be my ticket to the big leagues........gotta go....

I'm glad you share my feelings

moderateamericain · October 7, 2008

So I'm a troll because you disagree with my opinion?
It's hard to envy you then as there must be a lot of trolls in your life...

"Bare arms" as in roll up sleeves? I never said I'm against that

I do not claim to be Russian - I'm not. I was a citizen of USSR, which was a great example of gun control.

Do you personally own a weapon? WHO are you planning to use it against?

Yes the USSR did a marvelous job of disarming the population, and systematically Murdering Millions of people as well. USSR is a golden child of gun control. :rolleyes:

I own several guns. And I would use them on anyone who attempted to violate my constitutional right to bear arms. Government or private citizen.

guyser · October 7, 2008

So I'm a troll because you disagree with my opinion?

No,not because one may disagree, because you state opinion as "fact" and it is anything but .

Just to remind you that you posted...

It is a simple fact: any gun is an instrument of murder

That is not a fact.

You have been pantsed about the whole aboittoir vs hunting thing , and you refuse to admit that.

Just to make it clear for you, many people in this country do not have access to the "white styrofoam wrapped in plastic " steaks that you do. Should they not eat meat ?

So they hunt, a very legal and highly regulated industry. Not to mention providing sustenance to many people , not only in game, but in dollars for housing guiding and whathaveyou.

Farmers need guns to protect livestock from being killed by predators.Their livlihood is at stake.

Do you personally own a weapon? WHO are you planning to use it against?

Here is a fact for you........you own weapons. I absolutely guarantee it.

Care to tell us who you plan on using them on?

Now what?

wulf42 · October 7, 2008

Here is someone who also supported gun control and we all know how that turned out!!!........I can't believe how similar Canada's gun laws are to the ones in this article!!

Edited October 9, 2008 by wulf42