PoliticalCitizen Posted September 21, 2008 Report Posted September 21, 2008 I was amazed to see the Leadership poll on CBC today: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2...oll-harris.html Layton + 16 Duceppe + 12 Elizabeth May + 10 Harper + 4 Dion - 24 (!!!) Let's say that our PM ranking second lowest is quite scary, especially taking into account that he's positioned to lead a majority government after the next election... But DION - A NEGATIVE 24 ??? That's just insane... How could he have been elected as a Liberal leader anyway? He makes Paul Martin look like a superstar... With the Liberal vote being split between Conservatives, NDP and Greens, could that be the beginning of a Dark Age for the Liberal party? Quote You are what you do.
scribblet Posted September 21, 2008 Report Posted September 21, 2008 I'm not sure how managed to get elected, but it was sure a mistake. He'll be gone after this election loss so I'm betting on either Bob Rae or Ken Dryden. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
capricorn Posted September 21, 2008 Report Posted September 21, 2008 I'm not sure how managed to get elected, but it was sure a mistake. He'll be gone after this election loss so I'm betting on either Bob Rae or Ken Dryden. What does it say about the Liberals when they picked the biggest loser of the entire lot that was running for the leadership? The Liberals need to rebuild from the ground up. I think that should include steering away from all the present contenders and recruit someone completely new. I can't think of anyone off hand but surely there is someone capable enough out there to rise to the challenge. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 21, 2008 Author Report Posted September 21, 2008 What does it say about the Liberals when they picked the biggest loser of the entire lot that was running for the leadership? The Liberals need to rebuild from the ground up. I think that should include steering away from all the present contenders and recruit someone completely new. I can't think of anyone off hand but surely there is someone capable enough out there to rise to the challenge. What about Ignatieff? Quote You are what you do.
capricorn Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 What about Ignatieff? I like Michael and I think he has more leadership qualities and appeal than all the others put together. I suspect he is more to the right of current Liberal Party thinking than he lets on. Oddly enough, if he was leader this might actually increase grassroots support for the Liberals. The problem I see is that potential delegates at a leadership campaign would use his prolonged absence from Canada to thwart his chances. I believe this was a factor in the last leadership race. Whether that would succeed the next time remains to be seen. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
scribblet Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 Agreed about Iggy - and Bob Rae has baggage, a big problem in Ontario. I'm not sure what it says about the Liberals, other than they weren't thinking (again) maybe they thought because he was for a united Canada, he might win Quebec - big mistake there. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
gc1765 Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 The problem I see is that potential delegates at a leadership campaign would use his prolonged absence from Canada to thwart his chances. Or that the Conservatives would use it against him in the next election. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 22, 2008 Author Report Posted September 22, 2008 Or that the Conservatives would use it against him in the next election. What do you make of Harper's score? People are going to vote Conservative but same people don't think he's a good leader? Quote You are what you do.
Bryan Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 What do you make of Harper's score?People are going to vote Conservative but same people don't think he's a good leader? It depends on who is asking the question, what the actual question is, and how the data is calculated. Most polls have shown that Harper is not only considered a better leader than the others, but he personally is more popular than the Conservative Party itself. Take this Sept 21/08 (today) Nanos poll for instance: http://www.nanosresearch.com/election/CPAC...er-21-2008E.pdf. Harper's approval is way out in front, in every category. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 22, 2008 Author Report Posted September 22, 2008 It depends on who is asking the question, what the actual question is, and how the data is calculated. Most polls have shown that Harper is not only considered a better leader than the others, but he personally is more popular than the Conservative Party itself.Take this Sept 21/08 (today) Nanos poll for instance: http://www.nanosresearch.com/election/CPAC...er-21-2008E.pdf. Harper's approval is way out in front, in every category. Hmmm, those numbers are almost opposite of what CBC posted... Dion is also not as low as on the CBC's poll... I guess it's more of a spin then... Quote You are what you do.
M.Dancer Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 Ignatief is all but a foreigner. With any luck Etobicoke lakeshore will elect Patrick Boyer who was one of the most capable and dedicated MPs ever to represent a GTA riding. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Moonbox Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 I would be heavily skeptical of any poll undertaken by the CBC especially when every other REPUTABLE poll shows Harper as the best PM by miles. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 22, 2008 Author Report Posted September 22, 2008 I would be heavily skeptical of any poll undertaken by the CBC especially when every other REPUTABLE poll shows Harper as the best PM by miles. Well they definitely didn't do Dion any favors Quote You are what you do.
Moonbox Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 No they definetly did not. I'd really like to know how they came to these conclusions though. It really seems like a funny poll to me. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
fellowtraveller Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 I do not understand why people are still wondering why the Libs picked Dion, a couple years later. (and a choice that I picked here about 60 days before it happened). Dion represents the safe choice, yesterdays man and a holdover from the Chretien years when the Libs were successful. The Libs missed a big chance to shake those years and shake that image of Dion, instead foolishly trying to rebrand him as some sort of fresh air or innovator when he is neither. The next leader will be Rae, who would have won a minority in 2006 if he'd had the opportunity. It is why he sticks around, he knows he is the heir apparent. It will still take th Libs a while to coronate him, they have to retain some small shred of dignity in the dark days to come.. Quote The government should do something.
Moonbox Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 I don't understand why people think Bob Rae would be a good leader. The Liberals depend on Ontario and Bob Rae has DEEP problems with Ontario voters. He was the worst premier we ever had. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
White Doors Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 (edited) del Edited September 22, 2008 by White Doors Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
White Doors Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 Crysis? maybe I should make a thread called Canada's literacy crisis? Christ.. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
fellowtraveller Posted September 23, 2008 Report Posted September 23, 2008 I don't understand why people think Bob Rae would be a good leader. The Liberals depend on Ontario and Bob Rae has DEEP problems with Ontario voters. He was the worst premier we ever had. Good leader? Who said anything about him being a good leader? He'd have been an electable Liberal leader in 2006. Electable is everything, and never underestimate the capacity and eagerness of Ontario to blindly vote Liberal no matter what. But the Libs chose Stephan McSafe, turning away from a new man and a new direction at the precise point they needed to do that and be seen to do that.. He'll still take over the Liberal Party when Dion quits. Quote The government should do something.
PoliticalCitizen Posted September 23, 2008 Author Report Posted September 23, 2008 Crysis?maybe I should make a thread called Canada's literacy crisis? Christ.. So you don't see a problem when the leaders of both major Canadian parties score that low? Quote You are what you do.
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