margrace Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Our home care is castastrophic to say the least, while family and friends were frantically trying to get some help for a senior citizen, he walked into the pond on his property. Harper plans a $150 tax credit for seniors, Layton promises a massive over haul of home care more help for low income seniors. What do you think is important? Quote
Wild Bill Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Our home care is castastrophic to say the least, while family and friends were frantically trying to get some help for a senior citizen, he walked into the pond on his property.Harper plans a $150 tax credit for seniors, Layton promises a massive over haul of home care more help for low income seniors. What do you think is important? Is Jack's plan "revenue neutral" or will my taxes go up? EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT! Where does the money come from? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
scribblet Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 My thoughts too, Layton is promising a billion dollars for home care, that sure won't be revenue neutral for most of us. How is he going to pay for that? Everybody wants a piece of the pie, Harper is also promising to raise the the senior age credit by $1,000. but there is only so much to go around, I'm pleased with that. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Topaz Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 My late mother had home care here in Ontario but it was through the CAW were my dad worked for 10 years. They paid $10,000. for 6 months coverage, then it was up to my dad to pay 400. weekly for a nurse. Fortunately or unfortunately, my mother died of cancer in the last week of coverage. The doctor said she would get better care at home with a nurse then in a small city hospital. So, if we start to throw money for homecare especially for the dying patient, is the hospitals still going to get their share ? There's also good and bad about loved ones dying at home. Perhaps one idea to help pay for home care would be the money Canadians pay into EI, if you don't collect that much during your working years then why not let it pay for home care when you are in the golden years and may not have the money to pay for it yourself? Quote
Moonbox Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) I can appreciate how expensive home care and the like are as I recently had to help a very old grandmother arrange it. The only problem with this is that it is PROHIBITIVELY expensive to provide it to the entire low-income senior population. I fear because of how much it and similar services cost the low income Baby Boomers are going to be in for an unfortunate surprise when our senior population balloons over the next 10-15 years. Edited September 19, 2008 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Smallc Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Seniors are provided with home care here. The system actually works quite well. They come to clean my grandmothers house once a week and cook supper for here every day. Quote
Renegade Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Our home care is castastrophic to say the least, while family and friends were frantically trying to get some help for a senior citizen, he walked into the pond on his property.Harper plans a $150 tax credit for seniors, Layton promises a massive over haul of home care more help for low income seniors. What do you think is important? What is important is to allow people to save and pay for their retirement care while they work so that they are no a burden on society when they are seniors. Too many seniors do not save enough for their own retirement Giving tax breaks, on top of the breaks they aready get, misses the window. Quote “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” - Thomas Jefferson
Renegade Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Perhaps one idea to help pay for home care would be the money Canadians pay into EI, if you don't collect that much during your working years then why not let it pay for home care when you are in the golden years and may not have the money to pay for it yourself? Personally I think this is a really bad idea. It further distorts what EI was originally set up to do. ie mitigate the risk of lapses in employment. If you think there ought to be another scheme which allows people to save from retirement, I'm all for it, however evidence shows that people don't fully use the mechanisms which are already available. If you want to institute a system which pays people back if they haven't collected during their working years, are you also willing to force people to pay back if they have collected too much? The system must economically balance or it leaves other taxpayers on the hook to make up the difference. Quote “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” - Thomas Jefferson
margrace Posted September 19, 2008 Author Report Posted September 19, 2008 Just as I thought, the old Scottish prayer is still very much in vogue. "God Bless me and my Wife, my son John and his wife, us four no more" I wonder if some of you who are so unhappy about paying for needy seniors had walked in their shoes for a few years would your response be the same. High wages that allow you leaverage to save are also limited whether you like it or not. I hear a lot of complaints about unions, isn't that what it is. Quote
M.Dancer Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 I wonder if some of you who are so unhappy about paying for needy seniors had walked in their shoes for a few years would your response be the same. The less we tax seniors the less charity they will need. Personally I think ny the time you reach 70 you should get a statement from Revenue Canada saying PAID IN FULL. High wages that allow you leaverage to save are also limited whether you like it or not. I hear a lot of complaints about unions, isn't that what it is. I have no idea what your are talking about. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Is Jack's plan "revenue neutral" or will my taxes go up?EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT! Where does the money come from? Don't worry Bill if it ever comes down to needing your welfare to change my diaper I plan on doing the decent thing by checking out as gracefully and inexpensively as possible. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Renegade Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 I wonder if some of you who are so unhappy about paying for needy seniors had walked in their shoes for a few years would your response be the same. It is always interesting to note if people's positions are based upon personal self-interest. You would seem to suggest that those who have been or are needy seniors would be motivated by self-interest in the position they hold. High wages that allow you leaverage to save are also limited whether you like it or not. I hear a lot of complaints about unions, isn't that what it is. I'm not really following the point you are trying to make. Cost is generally a zero-sum game. If people aren't paying for themselves, someone else is paying for them. Lower taxes on wages and a tax structure which encourage savings are one mechanism which allow people to pay for themselves instead of having to depend upon others to meet their needs. Quote “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” - Thomas Jefferson
capricorn Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Speaking of helping seniors, what will the Green Shift do for seniors? It is widely conceded that energy, food and consumer products prices are bound to increase with this plan. So low income seniors will be expected to pay for these increased costs on a daily basis, but will have to wait for an income tax refund to help defray the increased costs. Less money in their pockets for day to day living but MAYBE a refund after 12 months. Does not compute. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
eyeball Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Speaking of helping seniors, what will the Green Shift do for seniors? It is widely conceded that energy, food and consumer products prices are bound to increase with this plan. So low income seniors will be expected to pay for these increased costs on a daily basis, but will have to wait for an income tax refund to help defray the increased costs. Less money in their pockets for day to day living but MAYBE a refund after 12 months. Does not compute. Things rarely compute when we have to pay for some social need or another. Perhaps we should just turn low income seniors into soylent gray. Perhaps Maple Leaf could produce a new line of...wait for it... ...old cuts. I guess I'll never be able to run for office now, will I? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
capricorn Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Things rarely compute when we have to pay for some social need or another. Perhaps we should just turn low income seniors into soylent gray. Perhaps Maple Leaf could produce a new line of...wait for it......old cuts. I guess I'll never be able to run for office now, will I? Eyeball, with a sense of humour like that, I'd vote for you in a heartbeat. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
scribblet Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Things rarely compute when we have to pay for some social need or another. Perhaps we should just turn low income seniors into soylent gray. Perhaps Maple Leaf could produce a new line of...wait for it......old cuts. I guess I'll never be able to run for office now, will I? Soylent grey - Okay, your fired, can't make funny comments like that now... Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
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