This IS Dion

[LiberalJim]

This Is Dion

Check out the REAL Stephane Dion in this new site which will debunk all of the myths perpetuated by the Conservatives.

Dion is a nice, compassionate, honest, accomplished leader, with a proven track record of getting things done on a national and international level. He passed the Clarity Act, legislation which kept Canada a united country and stopped separitists from breaking this country up. He also led 182 countries to fight climate change, LED BY CANADA, when he was the president of the UN conference on climate change hosted in Montreal.

Dion is a leader, and has the record to prove it.

What does Harper have aside from juvenile attack ads?

Nothing but empty promises and negative smear campaigns.

[M.Dancer]

This Is Dion

Check out the REAL Stephane Dion in this new site which will debunk all of the myths perpetuated by the Conservatives.

Dion is a nice, compassionate, honest, accomplished leader, with a proven track record of getting things done on a national and international level. He passed the Clarity Act, legislation which kept Canada a united country and stopped separitists from breaking this country up. He also led 182 countries to fight climate change, LED BY CANADA, when he was the president of the UN conference on climate change hosted in Montreal.

Dion is a leader, and has the record to prove it.

What does Harper have aside from juvenile attack ads?

Nothing but empty promises and negative smear campaigns.

I plan to look at as soon as I get some other stuff done. Can't say exactly when, but you know, it's not easy to make priorities.

Speaking of records....before Dion supported and pledged to up the $1200 a year Child supplement , he was against it. That's leadership. And while he was championing climate change at the UN, he was with a party that did diddly squat about it. That's real leadership.

Edited September 9, 2008 by M.Dancer

[LiberalJim]

I plan to look at as soon as I get some other stuff done. Can't say exactly when, but you know, it's not easy to make priorities.

Speaking of records....before Dion supported and pledged to up the $1200 a year Child supplement , he was against it. That's leadership. And while he was championing climate change at the UN, he was with a party that did diddly squat about it. That's real leadership.

I notice you're still unable to say one thing Harper HAS done.

Because you can't name one, and neither can your party

[guyser]

I take it you are a paid, or at least a canvassor for the Liberals.

So here, take this back to Dion himself. Oh, by the way, I am not a CPC'er.

Dion is a nice, compassionate, honest, accomplished leader

He may be, but he is hamstringed since no one can understand a word he says. And I am good with accents. So that throws pretty much everything out the window.

Think of an art house film done in Icelandic. Might be great but who the hell will know? I speak english and very little french. Ask Dion to use one or the other.

Compassionate is great when I skinned my knee and mom came with a bandage. Doesnt work in elections.

Honest? He is a politician. Mutually exclusive.

Accomplished ? At what ? Running from votes to deflect the fact that his ass would be handed to him in an election? Bring it on....when he loses this time he will pushed, and hard, from his leader position. And when that happens, I will be glad to see his golden parachute open.

[guyser]

I notice you're still unable to say one thing Harper HAS done.

Because you can't name one, and neither can your party

Dont like Harper either but since you asked.....

1) Promised a vote on SSM. We got it, and whip allowed. Will always give him kudos for that.

2) Improved conditions for the armed forces

3) Went toe to toe with Rick Mercer and showed he is normal....well sort of.. more so than that last guy.

4) Bought a new vest.

Ok ok I got nothin' more.

[LiberalJim]

I take it you are a paid, or at least a canvassor for the Liberals.

So here, take this back to Dion himself. Oh, by the way, I am not a CPC'er.

He may be, but he is hamstringed since no one can understand a word he says. And I am good with accents. So that throws pretty much everything out the window.

Think of an art house film done in Icelandic. Might be great but who the hell will know? I speak english and very little french. Ask Dion to use one or the other.

Compassionate is great when I skinned my knee and mom came with a bandage. Doesnt work in elections.

Honest? He is a politician. Mutually exclusive.

Accomplished ? At what ? Running from votes to deflect the fact that his ass would be handed to him in an election? Bring it on....when he loses this time he will pushed, and hard, from his leader position. And when that happens, I will be glad to see his golden parachute open.

I am neither... merely a Canadian citizen and proud Liberal supporter tired of my party and a great man being smeared with lies.

[M.Dancer]

I notice you're still unable to say one thing Harper HAS done.

Because you can't name one, and neither can your party

1. 
   
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   2. Lowered the GST
      
   3. Lowered the GST again
      
   4. Introduced the $1200 child care supplement
      
   5. Shored up relations with the US that were seriously damaged by the Liberals
      
   6. Brought a renewed interest in federalism in Quebec
      
   7. Help re-instill pride in the Canadian Armed Forces
      
   8. Tax Credits for parents with kids in sports
      
   9. Residential School Aggrement
      
   10. Tax Free Savings account
       
   11. Raised the age of consent
       

There you go, there's 10 off the top of my head...

[LiberalJim]

Dont like Harper either but since you asked.....

3) Went toe to toe with Rick Mercer and showed he is normal....well sort of.. more so than that last guy.

4) Bought a new vest.

Ok ok I got nothin' more.

Exactly... when you have to resort to his clothing choice and a scripted attempt to show he's not a robot as 'accomplishments'... then you probably shouldn't be questioning a guy who's led the UN's leadership.

[M.Dancer]

I am neither... merely a Canadian citizen and proud Liberal supporter tired of my party and a great man being smeared with lies.

Most Canadians are tired of the Liberal party. That's why they are in opposition.

[guyser]

I am neither... merely a Canadian citizen and proud Liberal supporter tired of my party and a great man being smeared with lies.

As mdancer said.....canada was tired of 'em too, and a great man he isnt. Not in the context of leaders anyway.

And you think we are bad? Wait until the Conservative posters come back from dinner !

[Shakeyhands]

Love the new signature Dancer... hilarious.

[blueblood]

As mdancer said.....canada was tired of 'em too, and a great man he isnt. Not in the context of leaders anyway.

And you think we are bad? Wait until the Conservative posters come back from dinner !

There's a proud Liberal supporter who thinks his party might not survive after this election. The Liberals would have been better off with a guy like Kennedy or Iggy, Dion doesn't seem to resonate with the two centrist swing voters seen above. These two are the type of guys that'll make or break gov'ts.

[Alta4ever]

I am neither... merely a Canadian citizen and proud Liberal supporter tired of my party and a great man being smeared with lies.

You would have been way better off with Ignatieff. All Dion has going for him is the name brand of the liberal party and its keeping the die hards like yourself from moving to one of the other parties.

[Moonlight Graham]

LiberalJim, i am no CPC'er, but i don't need Harper propaganda for me to know that Dion is a weak leader. Watching him for a few minutes in the House of Commons should be enough for anyone.

[jdobbin]

There's a proud Liberal supporter who thinks his party might not survive after this election. The Liberals would have been better off with a guy like Kennedy or Iggy, Dion doesn't seem to resonate with the two centrist swing voters seen above. These two are the type of guys that'll make or break gov'ts.

I don't know that any leader would have prevented reelection of the Tories.

My guess though is that the party might be in better financial shape though and possibly organizationally.

[capricorn]

This Is Dion

Check out the REAL Stephane Dion in this new site which will debunk all of the myths perpetuated by the Conservatives.

I don't intend to. Neither would I visit a similar site for any other of the leaders. Those sites are choreographed to sway my impression of politicians. I judge politicians by what they do and what they say in real life situations. Perhaps it is because I pay attention to politics year round and not just around elections.

Dion is a nice, compassionate, honest, accomplished leader, with a proven track record of getting things done on a national and international level.

Dion certainly appears to be a nice person but I don't feel I have anything in common with him nor he with me. I find him to be an elitist who is out of touch with mainstream Canadians. Examples.

"If I am in a cocktail (party) and everybody speaks at the same time, I have difficulty," Dion said. "It affects my ability to catch the music of the beautiful language of English."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...008&no_ads=

Cocktail party...oh yeah, I know all about cocktail parties...I've been to....none. Music of the beautiful language of English...WTF?

And who can forget Dion eating a hot dog with a knife and fork? I could go on but it would be cruel to do so.

How come that in some ten years in politics, suddenly at the outset of the election campaign he announces he has a hearing impediment to explain his difficulty with the English language? This makes me wonder what else he is keeping secret from the Canadian public.

He passed the Clarity Act, legislation which kept Canada a united country and stopped separitists from breaking this country up.

Yes, by all accounts he worked hard on that file. Thank goodness he did because that was his job as Intergovernmental Affairs Minister.

He also led 182 countries to fight climate change, LED BY CANADA, when he was the president of the UN conference on climate change hosted in Montreal.

Dion acted as conference chairman. He did a fine job swinging the gavel. I saw the video.

Dion is a leader, and has the record to prove it.

Wrong. This has not yet been proven. What is proven is that Jack Layton scored higher with Canadians in the leadership qualities poll over Dion. That says a lot.

Now about Harper. Harper has guided a minority government for over 2 and a half years and has a track record that enables me to judge his performance. By no means was it perfect but I don't expect perfection from my government. I'm satisfied with the way things are going and I will be voting Conservative once again.

[normanchateau]

Speaking of records....before Dion supported and pledged to up the $1200 a year Child supplement , he was against it. That's leadership.

Now here's real leadership:

"2005- In an effort to defuse an issue that derailed him during the final weeks of the 2004 federal election campaign, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper announced that he now fully supports both the Canada Health Act and the role of the federal government in medicare.

It was a dramatic shift for a man who four years ago advised Alberta to withdraw from medicare and who two years ago wrote that Ottawa should scrap the Canada Health Act.

In 2001, he co-authored an open letter to Alberta Premier Ralph Klein urging him to drop out of medicare.

In a 2003 newspaper article, he wrote that the Canada Health Act should be scrapped and replaced with 10 separate agreements between Ottawa and each province."

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article/print/91919834

When Harper flip flops, that's real leadership and integrity.

And Harper showed real leadership on Iraq, first stating that Canada should invade then backtracking as it became clear that Iraq was a quagmire.

[capricorn]

Now here's real leadership:

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When Harper flip flops, that's real leadership and integrity.

And Harper showed real leadership on Iraq, first stating that Canada should invade then backtracking as it became clear that Iraq was a quagmire.

What you raise may gain you points with some posters on this forum. The fact is it will have zilch impact on the present election or its outcome. Most Canadians voters either don't know about those events or have forgotten they even happened.

On the other hand, what Dancer raised about the child benefit is germane to the present election campaign. It is more likely that Canadians would remember that the Liberals were initially against the child benefit but have now flip flopped. The Conservatives are sure to remind them. More striking to Canadians will be that Dion has promised to double the benefit. BTW Dion's cluing in. When elections roll around, the question Canadians ask is "What's in it for me?", sort of like when the budget is tabled.

[Keepitsimple]

Dion's biggest accomplishment was the Clarity Act - after all - he saved Canada with it - didn't he? The Clarity Act was actually based on a private member's bill that was intoroduced in 1996. It was called the Quebec Contingency Act - Bill C341. Problem was, the majority Liberal government of the day led by Jean Chretien, didn't think we needed rules for Quebec to separate.....so the Quebec Contingency Act never got past first reading. Although the Clarity Act ended up being more detailed - as a thoroughly reviewed Bill tends to be - the spirit and intent of the Bill was very similar. Oh yes and one last item - the author of the Quebec Contingency Act was......Stephen Harper.

Link to Quebec Contingency Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Contingency_Act

[jdobbin]

Oh yes and one last item - the author of the Quebec Contingency Act was......Stephen Harper.

Wish he took credit for it...in Quebec.

[guyser]

There's a proud Liberal supporter

Good god man you dont mean me do you?

[blueblood]

Good god man you dont mean me do you?

read my signature

[guyser]

D'oh !

[myata]

We'll go far indeed, with that great fearless leader. But here's the question: do we really need one? To accomplish what exactly? More of infinite debates on how to reduce our greenhouse emissions, among the highest on the planet? Broadcasting the big pals statements word for word with a two day independence delay? Admire our peaceful nature while our troops are fighting a proxy war thousands miles away?

We need a leader who'd tell us how great we are, the more great, the less we actually accomplish, and we don't even have to do anything, or think anything, to stay great, other than watching the box, buying more stuff, moving homes, and counting the beans.

[stevoh]

To be completely honest none of the leaders inspire me.

Dion comes across as too weak. I do believe he believes strongly in the green shift and the changes it will make. But his overall ability to make effective policy, push it through parliament, and run the country, no confidence. I think he would be a great environment minister.

Harper is so wooden, he doesn't appear to have any passion about our great country, or the issues we find important. And I don't appreciate him following the trail of all politicians before him, making promises and then breaking them. When are we going to get an honest leader who tells it like it is? They all claim to be straight talkers, and then when in power, they turn out the same as all of the others.

Layton is great Canadian political "color", but I wouldn't trust him with the national chequebook.

Back to the thread topic, I think Dion may be a good man, but he is not a GREAT man, by any stretch.