Quebec group requests French citizenship

[whowhere]

Does that mean you accept the fact that your facts concerning population were wrong? Or will you argue that you, the only one in the world that does not believe the root of the word Canada is from a native language and every historian and linguist is simply wrong?

The word you are talking about is Kanata!!!! Got it donkey? As for population, your source wikpedia, is about as reliable as mapleleafweb for your knowledge. A few mill one way or the other makes no difference. That fact is, Canada has dramatically increased its population via immigration since 1980. If you want to split hairs on the precise numbers by all means dumcer knock yourself out.

[whowhere]

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/info/info106_e.html

uh, ohh, a government of Canada website, indian affairs confirms the aboriginal word is Kanata. The French equivalent, Canada. What can I say, when I am right, I am right

[CANADIEN]

The word you are talking about is Kanata!!!! Got it donkey? As for population, your source wikpedia, is about as reliable as mapleleafweb for your knowledge. A few mill one way or the other makes no difference. That fact is, Canada has dramatically increased its population via immigration since 1980. If you want to split hairs on the precise numbers by all means dumcer knock yourself out.

I for one find mapleleafweb can be a good source of knowledge. For example, I wouldn't know yhow laughable you are if it wasn't for this site.

If you had looked at the wikepedia entry mentioned by dancer, you would have seen the link to the source of their information... Statistics Canada, one of the best and most reputable governmental statistics agencies in world, whose mandate includes collecting that kind of data.

Unlike you, the author of the wikipedia article knew what he was talking about. Nothing new under the suns.

[blueblood]

Once again, quote any claim I have made that I favour Quebec's language legislation. The fact that I know Quebecers are Canadians does not mean that I approve laws I consider to be against basic rights. If you lack the capacity to make the distinction, too bad for you.

The fact that the Battle of the Plains of Abraham was 249 years ago, and that your little school yard bully "we've won, so we can do whatever we want to you" act does not belong in the 21th century.

The last referendum results say that 49% of Quebecers don't believe they are Canadians. Also there has not been public outcry in QC to take these laws away, which means that they are de facto supporting it. Keep defending the supporters of anti human rights.

The school yard bully attitude belongs in the 21st century more than ever. It is how Canadian troops in Afghanistan are taking out terrorists and helping to support the democratic gov't. It's how the Americans are dealing with affairs in Iraq. Quite simple might makes right. To say otherwise is pure dillusional. IT was because the allies were the bigger bully than germany is how WWII was won.

Would you rather the brits have loaded up the quebecers on boats and shipped them off somewhere, they did it once in Acadia. Canada was formed when the brits took the Frenchies to the woodshed on the Plains of Abraham and through their benevolence allowed the quebecers not only to stay, but let them live like they did before. Sounds like a sweet deal for someone who got their ass handed to them.

[CANADIEN]

The last referendum results say that 49% of Quebecers don't believe they are Canadians.

Their problem, not mine, since it is not my opinion. It's seems to be yours too, which is your problem.

Keep defending the supporters of anti human rights.

Keep demonstrating you don't get it, while you defend the US when it violates human rights and international law in Iraq.

The school yard bully attitude belongs in the 21st century more than ever. It is how Canadian troops in Afghanistan are taking out terrorists and helping to support the democratic gov't.

They are finghting the bullies there. Different..

It's how the Americans are dealing with affairs in Iraq.

At least you are right on that one.

Quite simple might makes right. To say otherwise is pure dillusional.

Myanmar, North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Cuba, Egypt, Algeria... The U.S. South in the early 1960's, Nazi Germany until the good guys and some bad guys defeated them, the Soviet Union, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge... They had the might, they were right, right?

IT was because the allies were the bigger bully than germany is how WWII was won.

See comment about Afghanistan,

Canada was formed when the brits took the Frenchies to the woodshed on the Plains of Abraham

It was formed in its current form in 1867. And you still don't get it about the word Frenchies. Guess you never will.

(...) and through their benevolence allowed the quebecers not only to stay, but let them live like they did before.

Go back to the history class, will you? It was just plain practicality.

Sounds like a sweet deal for someone who got their ass handed to them.

That's how school yard bullies talk when they take the other boys' money and just kick them just ten times instead of fifteen.

Welcome to the 21th century.

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[Smallc]

The last referendum results say that 49% of Quebecers don't believe they are Canadians.

49% of people who voted. People who are happy with things are often less likely to vote. No where near 49% of Quebecers are against Canada. Its closer to 30 - 35% from all estimates I've heard. There are many people from all parts of this country that love it and want it to survive. I am one of those people. I love every part of this country. I love my province, but I also love this federation that is Canada. There are many people that feel this way, they just have their voices are drowned out by all the negativity.

[CANADIEN]

Ok... just one last time.

Kanata is NOT an Iroquian word, it is a French word.

The evidence of my claim is:

17th and 18th century French explorers and missionaries reported, in records submitted to the French court and Church authorities, that the Hurons and Iroquois called a village "kanata".

Those reports were written in French, using French words, therefore all the words in there are French.

Since neither the Hurons or the Iroquois had an alphabet, nobody can prove that they had such a word, or even had any words at all.

The French explorers and missionaries were Christians, working for Christian Kings of Divine right and/or the Church, mandated to explore the territory, learn about it and (in the case of the missionaries) convert.

These Frenchmen had to use their mind/soul, their language and vocabulary, to understand what they heard and write it, in French.

Therefore, anyone who claims otherwise denies hstorical facts, is calling the Bible a word of fiction, and is either a British revisionist historian or an Aboriginal with a grudge and no sense of gratitude.

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[CANADIEN]

49% of people who voted. People who are happy with things are often less likely to vote. No where near 49% of Quebecers are against Canada. Its closer to 30 - 35% from all estimates I've heard. There are many people from all parts of this country that love it and want it to survive. I am one of those people. I love every part of this country. I love my province, but I also love this federation that is Canada. There are many people that feel this way, they just have their voices are drowned out by all the negativity.

I would argue that a good 10% of the population didn't quite understand the meaning of the question, in part because it was deliberately vague. Some poeple actually said that they were voting Yes in the hope of renewing the Constitution.

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[Smallc]

I would argue that a good 10% of the population didn't quite understand the meaning of the question, in part because it was deliberately vague. Some poeple actually said that they were voting Yes in the hope of renewing the Constitution.

I have heard the same thing. To say that 49% of the Quebec population is against Canada is a drastic overstatement. I would say that the vast majority of Québécois are in favour of remaining in Canada.

[whowhere]

Ok... just one last time.

Kanata is NOT an Iroquian word, it is a French word.

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/info/info106_e.html

Canada: is from Kanata, meaning "settlement" or "village" in the language of the Huron

Good little Forum monkey, here is a banana.

[CANADIEN]

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/info/info106_e.html

Canada: is from Kanata, meaning "settlement" or "village" in the language of the Huron

Good little Forum monkey, here is a banana.

Careful when you deny the truth as I explained it yesterday night and rely on statements from weasel government that steal words from their French owners.

Edited July 23, 2008 by CANADIEN

[M.Dancer]

The last referendum results say that 49% of Quebecers don't believe they are Canadians.

No that's not what the results mean, not be a longshot. The question was framed in such a way that it could mean most anything to anybody...your extremist POV is a prime example.

"Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?".

In another poll the conclusion was the overwhelming majority of Quebecers wants an independant Quebec with a strong and united Canada. Much like Albertans do...

[M.Dancer]

That fact is, Canada has dramatically increased its population via immigration since 1980. If you want to split hairs on the precise numbers by all means dumcer knock yourself out.

Split hairs? With someone who says that they talk facts? When every "fact" they have said is ...wrong?

You said 50%....that is as patentently false as saying 49%...or 45%...or 40%....

And that's a fact.

[blueblood]

No that's not what the results mean, not be a longshot. The question was framed in such a way that it could mean most anything to anybody...your extremist POV is a prime example.

In another poll the conclusion was the overwhelming majority of Quebecers wants an independant Quebec with a strong and united Canada. Much like Albertans do...

My point was a large portion of Quebecers wanted out, whether its 49% or 30-35% is IMO arbitrary.

My beef is the Frenchies were soundly defeated, were fortunate enough to get the deal they did, and that's still not good enough for the seperatists. It's that attitude why bill 101 exists and why they piss away dollars and dollars on culture instead of getting their economy in order. Good grief they are around where Mississippi is.

In Manitoba, there are lots of French communities, they cause no problems at all, and everyone in Manitoba knows where they stand. If I go to a French town for parts, it's up to me to be able to communicate with them, same goes if a French man comes to an english speaking town for parts.

[M.Dancer]

My point was a large portion of Quebecers wanted out, whether its 49% or 30-35% is IMO arbitrary.

Fair enough. But you are wrong none the less. The only sure statement is that a large portion of Quebecers wanted to renegotiate with Ottawa. What they wanted to renegotiate most were unsure of...

[Leafless]

Fair enough. But you are wrong none the less. The only sure statement is that a large portion of Quebecers wanted to renegotiate with Ottawa. What they wanted to renegotiate most were unsure of...

This in reality means nothing since there is no federal policy to accommodate negotiations pertaining to Quebec separation.

The only sure statement is that a large number of Quebecers are indeed separatist unlike Alberta who does not even have an official party that caters to Alberta separation.

[Leafless]

Careful when you deny the truth as I explained it yesterday night and rely on statements from weasel government that steal words from their French owners.

Is 'Quebec' a French word.?

It is a Mikmaq or (Micmac) Indian word (Eastern Algonquian language) meaning 'straight narrows'.

It appears Champlain borrowed the word from the Indians. Ha-ha-ha-ha.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Quebec

[whowhere]

The logic of this thread is the minute you convert/trascribe a word from one language to another, the original language still owns the word. Really?? With thinking like this, no wonder there are so many tards out there.

[M.Dancer]

The logic of this thread is the minute you convert/trascribe a word from one language to another, the original language still owns the word. Really?? With thinking like this, no wonder there are so many tards out there.

Let me guess....left school in grade 7?

Here's a word for you: Etymology

1. The origin and historical development of a linguistic form as shown by determining its basic elements, earliest known use, and changes in form and meaning, tracing its transmission from one language to another, identifying its cognates in other languages, and reconstructing its ancestral form where possible.

2. The branch of linguistics that deals with etymologies.

Understanding how and where words come from is how we can say that over 28% of the English language is made up of words borrowed from the French. That is how we can say with 100% accuracy that the noun Canada is derived from the native tongue.

Tard is an interesting word. It's used primarily be people incapable of complicated thoughts; derived from retard which itself comes from the french, en retard meaning delayed or slowed. An entirely apt description for you.

[CANADIEN]

Is 'Quebec' a French word.?

It is a Mikmaq or (Micmac) Indian word (Eastern Algonquian language) meaning 'straight narrows'.

It appears Champlain borrowed the word from the Indians. Ha-ha-ha-ha.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Quebec

Mark the day, you got something right for once. On the other hand, not surprisingly, you don't have a clue why I wrote that particular posting.

[CANADIEN]

overwhelming majority of Quebecers wants an independant Quebec with a strong and united Canada

You thief... you stole that sentence from a Qquebec stand-up comic.

Actually, yes, Quebec stand-up comic Yvon Deschamps started using that line in his routines almost 20 years ago.

[CANADIEN]

My beef is the Frenchies (...)

who are not Canadians, we know that

were soundly defeated, were fortunate enough to get the deal they did (...)

Go ask some Franco-Manitobans old enough to remember how good of a deal that had when they were forbidden to learn or speak their own language at school, speak it in government service centres, or in the provincial legislature in violation of the terms under which the Province joined Confederation. You know I am no fan at all of Quebec language laws, but in terms of their philosophy and intent they were inspired...

(...)and that's still not good enough for the seperatists.

Since the Frenchies are not Canadians, why are you surprised it's not enough?

Good grief they are around where Mississippi is.

Interesting... I happen to think the "we are the majority we can do what ever we want" was more fitted to the Mississippi of the early 1960's.

In Manitoba, there are lots of French communities, they cause no problems at all

Not all English-speaking Manitobans thought that when Franco-Manitobans started using the courts to reclaim the rights that have been illegally taken from them. But hey, if you think otherwise, good for you.

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[CANADIEN]

The logic of this thread is the minute you convert/trascribe a word from one language to another, the original language still owns the word. Really?? With thinking like this, no wonder there are so many tards out there.

You are the one who denies the fact that, because the word "kanata" was transcribed in French, it's not an Aboriginal word. "kanata' is a French word, deal with it.

[Leafless]

Mark the day, you got something right for once. On the other hand, not surprisingly, you don't have a clue why I wrote that particular posting.

With this coming from someone with no brain, I would tend to agree with you.

[whowhere]

You are the one who denies the fact that, because the word "kanata" was transcribed in French, it's not an Aboriginal word. "kanata' is a French word, deal with it.

you are indeed a tard. I suggest you send Indian Affairs a letter stating that fact to them, since you obviously know more than they.