Quebec group requests French citizenship

[g_bambino]

Under copyright laws the word belongs to Cartier. Under Devine/Cosmic/God's law the word is a creation of Cartier's soul using pronunciation and spelling skills taught to him by his mother Country: France.

So, Cartier registered the word "Canada" under Divine... sorry, Devine/Cosmic copyright law? Oh, that's too much!

[Leafless]

There might be a number of reasons. The essential point is that Cartier heard a word that ended with the sound ta, and wrote it down with the final sound da.

That is a pile of horse manure.

Canada is a Laurentian or St. Lawrence Iroquoian word.

At least one Laurentian word may still be in use today: the word "canada", meaning village in Laurentian. Jacques Cartier used the word to describe both the region and the river that it crosses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentian_language

[g_bambino]

That is a pile of horse manure.

Canada is a Laurentian or St. Lawrence Iroquoian word.

You're calling your own words horse manure? Canadien is already well aware of "Canada"'s roots in the Iroquois language:

[H]istorians have concluded that the origin of the word Canada was most likely a mispronounciation of the Iroquian word Kanata, which means "village'. The original text of Cartier's Relation seems to support that view.

If you want to argue the word comes from the French language and has nothing to do with any Iroquian word, than prove it. People usually do not name places through some sort of inspiration, putting some sounds together out of their brain. They use (sometime innacurately) words used by local inhabitants, names of people or other land they want to honour, words referring to religious symbols or concepts, names of objects or animals they found there or remind them of that place, words that refer to activities taking place there. If Cartier chose the word Canada from the French language, it must have existed before the summer of 1534. When and how was it used then, and what was its meaning.

Pay attention, would you?

[seabee]

In the 1700s the brits won, deal with it.

That was 250 years ago. If you had followed the news, the Québécois have, in the last 50 years, taken back control of the conquered land; it was the Quiet Revolution. Law 101 was an inevitable consequence.

Without violence, the Québécois have conquered back their control.

Deal with it.

[CANADIEN]

You are an idiot.

There is song sung at Birthdays, you may have heard it, it goes something like Happy Birthday to ... Happy Birthday to .... etc etc. This song first appeared in a book in the 30's. A company bought the rights to this book. Now, everytime a company uses this song in a commercial capacity such as a movie they have to pay a royalty of something like $10,000 to the owner of this book.

Comprehend that reality, moron? Under copyright laws the word belongs to Cartier. Under Devine/Cosmic/God's law the word is a creation of Cartier's soul using pronunciation and spelling skills taught to him by his mother Country: France. To a heathen mind such as yourself you will have difficulty comprehending Religious Forces. I bring in Religion because that goes to mind of jacque Cartier acting on behalf of the king of France. A king who ruled by divine right by the decree of the vatican/pope. That was Europe before the rise of the United States.

You are certainly some form of Troll to say the least.

My line of work involves issues pertaining to copyright, so it is with glee that I can say once again that you are make a foul of yourself.

First, there was no copyright law in the 16th century, but for the sake of showing how wrong you are we will assume there was and that they were the same as today.

Second, what is protected by copyright is not words or ideas, but the expression of those, that is the a written text, a recording, a work of art, etc. Specifically, copyright in this case would be on the text of Cartier's Relations.

Third, under Canadian copyright law, copyright on a written text expires 50 years after the death of its author or its first publication, whichever occurs last Both the death of Cartier and the first publication of his writing (in the mid 16th century) occured more than 50 years ago; even if one assumes there was Crown copyright as Cartier acted for the King of France, copyright expired 50 years after first publication. Want to rely of France's copyright legislation? It's 70 years. And there are very few countries where one can claim perpertual copyright once something has been published. In other words, someone using Cartier's texts is not violating anyone's copyright (mind you, the author of a re-edition may own copyright to the formatting and any comment they had, but that's a separate issue).

Fourth, the issue at hand is not who Cartier was working for, nor his religion, nor the known fact that he was the first one to put the word Canada in a written form. The issue is where the word comes from. Cartier's own writings leave no doubt on the topic. And you misunderstanding of copyright does not even come close to proving otherwise.

[CANADIEN]

So, Cartier registered the word "Canada" under Divine... sorry, Devine/Cosmic copyright law? Oh, that's too much!

Cartier "registered" the word Canada? We must be talking about trademarks then, not copyright. Different kind of beasts, with different rules. In Canada, a trademark must be registered with the federal government, and renewed every 15 years. In France, it has to be renewed every 10 years. I suppose I can go to the office responsible for trademark registration in either country and they will show me the last trademark registration deposited by Jacques Cartier's descendants or the French government for the word Canada.

[CANADIEN]

That was 250 years ago. If you had followed the news, the Québécois have, in the last 50 years, taken back control of the conquered land; it was the Quiet Revolution. Law 101 was an inevitable consequence.

Without violence, the Québécois have conquered back their control.

Deal with it.

And Quebec's language legislations violates fundamental rights. Let's all deal with it.

[seabee]

And Quebec's language legislations violates fundamental rights.

All attempts with the federal Dominion's Supreme Court to void those legislations have failed.

[CANADIEN]

Under Devine/Cosmic/God's law the word is a creation of Cartier's soul using pronunciation and spelling skills taught to him by his mother Country: France. To a heathen mind such as yourself you will have difficulty comprehending Religious Forces. I bring in Religion because that goes to mind of jacque Cartier acting on behalf of the king of France. A king who ruled by divine right by the decree of the vatican/pope. That was Europe before the rise of the United States.

You are certainly some form of Troll to say the least.

And the fun (at your expense) continues.

I will not dwell on the fact I'm Catholic. Only that I know of no law or rule, divine, religious or civil, that states that the first person to put down a word in writing owns it. Care to enlighten us by showing where you found it?

As for the issue of pronounciation...

There are two possibilities about how Cartier ended up with the word Canada. One, supported by historical research, linguistic research and Cartier's own writings, is that it came from an Iroquian word meaning "village" or "town".

A second one, supported by... you, and you alone (unless you can quote historians, linguists or original sources supporting your theory), is that Cartier just got inspired by his own mind, his writing skills and the way words are pronounced in French, in other words that three syllabs just surged in his mind and that he exclaimed "Oui, c'est le nom que je vais donner à ce pays".

If that's the case, can you please quote me the rule of the French language (or any other language, for that matter) that states that when someone invents a brand new word out of its own mind, it has to be pronounced a certain way and a certain way only? After all, if the word has never been written, pronounced or heard before, what basis has anybody for telling its creator "that's how you're supposed to pronounce it"?

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[g_bambino]

Cartier "registered" the word Canada? We must be talking about trademarks then, not copyright. Different kind of beasts, with different rules. In Canada, a trademark must be registered with the federal government, and renewed every 15 years. In France, it has to be renewed every 10 years. I suppose I can go to the office responsible for trademark registration in either country and they will show me the last trademark registration deposited by Jacques Cartier's descendants or the French government for the word Canada.

Oh.. I forwent the technicalities for the sake of humour. I was just laughing too much at whowhazzit's claims to get things straight!

I thought later about the clauses for the expiry of copyright; but, you've already amply covered that.

[CANADIEN]

Oh.. I forwent the technicalities for the sake of humour. I was just laughing too much at whowhazzit's claims to get things straight!

I thought later about the clauses for the expiry of copyright; but, you've already amply covered that.

I am wondering what will come next. a few guesses:

- Cartier lied when he wrote that the people of Stadacone called a town Canada

- I'm lying when I say Cartier said that

- The people of Stadacone didn't have an alphabet, so they did not have words, which means they didn't have a language

- Cartier already knew before he invented the word Canada how the word is spelled

- the word Canada already existed in French

[whowhere]

And the fun (at your expense) continues.

I will not dwell on the fact I'm Catholic.

You are not catholic, you are insubordinate heathen Forum Troll. May I remind you the Queen of England is the head of state in Canada, a christian Queen. As is it, Canada is/has a religious undertone to it. If you are christian/catholic I suggest you bear in mind the Father/son/holy spirit. On that note I suggest you pick up a copy of the Father's book and read Genesis, leviticus, etc, etc, to get an idea what the f'ck you are up against you stupid little piss ant twerp.

So when the curtain of life is closed upon your poor excuse of of a lying life you will know that God does not take kindly to f'ing liars.

As for Canada, show me your aboriginal alphabet and written documentation of Canada and Canadian. What we do have is pre-british occupation records of the use of Canada by the kings Court of France and George Washington's diaries refering to the French of Canada as Canadian.

What do you have? your propoganda opinions.

[M.Dancer]

When you bring forward an aboriginal alphabet let me know and we will then attribute a word to them. I see french words but I don't see any aboriginal words. You, yourself stated the aboriginals had no alphabet, so how is it possible they have words upon which cartier could make notes about. The best he could do was use his interpretation of what he heard with his French pronunciation and spelling skills (taught to him by France!). The word you are talking about is kanata, not Canada. Why are you quoting a French source. If you are going to be a British Revisionist you better find more sources to back up your delusions.

Not sure why you are hung up on the alphabet but not being skilled in special education I will gloss over that and commend you on wiggling into a new position....as you say:

You, yourself stated the aboriginals had no alphabet, so how is it possible they have words upon which cartier could make notes about. The best he could do was use his interpretation of what he heard with his French pronunciation and spelling skills (taught to him by France!).

How is it possible the aboriginals had words? Ummm because they could...speak? How could cartier makes notes on those words? Because he heard them?

If Cartier heard a word, and imperfectly transcribed the word into french, then by your own words copied here, the Word CANADA, originates from the aboriginal tongue.

Edited July 21, 2008 by M.Dancer

[M.Dancer]

f'ck stupid little piss ant twerp.

f'ing liars.

If I was Kreskin I would make a prediction...

[g_bambino]

May I remind you the Queen of England is the head of state in Canada, a christian Queen.

May I remind you that there hasn't been a Queen of England since 1707, let alone one on the throne of Canada; as though the country was under a foreign power. Jeez..

You are not catholic, you are insubordinate heathen Forum Troll.

And the two are mutually excusive?

As for Canada, show me your aboriginal alphabet and written documentation of Canada and Canadian. What we do have is pre-british occupation records of the use of Canada by the kings Court of France and George Washington's diaries refering to the French of Canada as Canadian.

And do any of your "pre-British occupation" records explicitly state that Cartier pulled the word "Canada" out of thin air on some sunny morning back in 1535?

[CANADIEN]

You are not catholic(...)

Go say that to my father, my godmother, the priest who baptized me (ok, he must be dead by now), the one who give me my first communion and heard my first confession (must be dead by now too), the parish priest at my parish, and the 250 or so people who see at church every Sunday. :lol:

As for Canada, show me your aboriginal alphabet and written documentation of Canada and Canadian.

I did show you the exact words written by Jacques Cartier, and gave you the ISBN number for the most recently published edition of his writing, and the very same page (even the line) where you will read what he wrote. I am pretty sure that HE knew what he was talking about.

What we do have is pre-british occupation records (...)

including what Jacques Cartier wrote, which you keep ignoring

(...) of the use of Canada by the kings Court of France (...)

feel free to show or tell us exactly where we will find any text from the French Court stating that Cartier took the word Canada out of thin air. Not a text using the word Canada, a text saying where Cartier got the word.

(...) and George Washington's diaries refering to the French of Canada as Canadian.

Once again, show or tell us exactly where we will find any text from Washington stating that Cartier took the word Canada from thin air. Not a text using the word Canada or Canadian, but a text saying where Cartier got the word.

Or show us even one quote from an historian supporting your view.

What do you have?

Jacques Cartier

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[whowhere]

Isn't freedom of speach grand?

Say what you want, think you what you. I would love to continue talking in circles but I have made my points clear enough with supporting documentation. What I get is disent from the devil's friends.

Fact is, Canada is creation of France. The Canadians fell under occupation in 1759. The Canadians fought with the United States for American Independence. Since that date Canada and the Canadians have been the subject of incessant brain washing by the occupiers and parasites.

Canada celebrates 400 years this year, that is a fact.

[whowhere]

Go say that to my father, my godmother, the priest who baptized me (ok, he must be dead by now), the one who give me my first communion and heard my first confession (must be dead by now too), the parish priest at my parish, and the 250 or so people who see at church every Sunday. :lol:

I did show you the exact words written by Jacques Cartier, and gave you the ISBN number for the most recently published edition of his writing, and the very same page (even the line) where you will read what he wrote. I am pretty sure that HE knew what he was talking about.

including what Jacques Cartier wrote, which you keep ignoring

feel free to show or tell us exactly where we will find any text from the French Court stating that Cartier took the word Canada out of thin air. Not a text using the word Canada, a text saying where Cartier got the word.

Once again, show or tell us exactly where we will find any text from Washington stating that Cartier took the word Canada from thin air. Not a text using the word Canada or Canadian, but a text saying where Cartier got the word.

Or show us even one quote from an historian supporting your view.

Jacques Cartier

We don't agree, ok. leave it at that. Claim you are catholic, take your beleifs and thinking to God when you enter your abysmal black hole of death. See what he thinks of your garbage. It won't be much and I am sure, you will continue wherever that hole takes you.

[CANADIEN]

Isn't freedom of speach grand?

Yep, allows you to make a fool of yourself.

Say what you want, think you what you. I would love to continue talking in circles but I have made my points clear enough with supporting documentation. What I get is disent from the devil's friends.

You mean the Devil uses facts and logic too?

Fact is, Canada is creation of France.

Fact is, Canada as it exists today exists since 1867.

The Canadians fell under occupation in 1759.

1760

The Canadians fought with the United States for American Independence.

Most remained neutral.

Canada celebrates 400 years this year, that is a fact.

Quebec City is turning 400 this year, this is a fact.

And Jacques Cartier's own writings say exactly where the word comes from.

[CANADIEN]

We don't agree, ok. leave it at that. Claim you are catholic, take your beleifs and thinking to God when you enter your abysmal black hole of death. See what he thinks of your garbage. It won't be much and I am sure, you will continue wherever that hole takes you.

If I do, God is likely to say something like "as a one bit of eternal comfort... you were right about Cartier".

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

Interesting btw, how you keep praising the value of British institutions then insult the Queen.

The Monarchy does have a vibrant history.

That is the only good thing I have to say about the Monarchy.

But traitorous Quebec politicians have been abusing Canada's system for the benefit of establishing a foreign cultural takeover.

The Queen has failed Canadians when she allowed Pierre Trudeau to repatriate the Constitution UNDER FALSE PRETENSES and without the wishes of Canadians.

Trudeau used the repatriated Constitution to include unpatriotic, traitorous type amendments in the form of a Charter for the tremendous benefit of a corrupt Quebec.

I may not be a Monarchist but until further notice she is the Head of State of my country, Canada.

I am no longer a Monarchist and have no longer have respect for the Queen but am a loyal, devoted, patriotic Canadian that is part of the majority White, English speaking culture of Canada.

You insult her in that fashion, you insult Canada. GET OUT OF CANADA.

Sorry pal. These are strange words coming from a Francophone like yourself.

The last person you should be telling to get out of Canada is a White, patriotic, loyal English speaking Christian Canadian.

Go tell that to your traitorous, corrupt Francophone, Quebec politicians.

And stop trying to stifle free speech.

[CANADIEN]

The Monarchy does have a vibrant history.

That is the only good thing I have to say about the Monarchy.

But traitorous Quebec politicians have been abusing Canada's system for the benefit of establishing a foreign cultural takeover.

I forgot, to you French-speaking Canadians are foreigners.

The Queen has failed Canadians (...)

By doing her job

(...)when she allowed Pierre Trudeau to repatriate the Constitution UNDER FALSE PRETENSES (...)

Yep, he pretended he wanted to rapatriate the Constitution, include a Charter of Right and enshrine official languages.

(...)and without the wishes of Canadians.

The elected House of Commons, and the elected legislatures of nine province out of ten agreed to it. And no political party has ever been elected to power in any of these provinces or at the federal level running on a program of reverting that.

Trudeau used the repatriated Constitution to include unpatriotic, traitorous type amendments in the form of a Charter for the tremendous benefit of a corrupt Quebec.

Thanks for yet another clue you do not know what you are talking about.

The last person you should be telling to get out of Canada is a White, patriotic, loyal English speaking Christian Canadian.

Agreed. That's why I tell YOU to get out.

And stop trying to stifle free speech.

Pointing out that you make no sense and are bigoted is not stiffling your right to make a fool of yourself.

Arguing, like you do, that English should be the only official language of commerce (in another words, that English should be mandated as the only language of commerce) is what constitute an attack on free speech.

[CANADIEN]

All attempts with the federal Dominion's Supreme Court to void those legislations have failed.

Not quite all judgements, but the laws still violate freedom of expression. They also discriminate.

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

I suggest you pick up a copy of the Father's book and read Genesis, leviticus, etc, etc, to get an idea what the f'ck you are up against you stupid little piss ant twerp.

Good idea... I must have missed the part proving Cartier lied when he wrote that the people of Stadacone called a village or town "Canada" :lol:

More seriously, the one I am against is you, not God. I know it, He knows it, and everyone knows it except you.

[whowhere]

Good idea... I must have missed the part proving Cartier lied when he wrote that the people of Stadacone called a village or town "Canada" :lol:

More seriously, the one I am against is you, not God. I know it, He knows it, and everyone knows it except you.

Me huh? From one who's mouth is a funnel of propoganda. Calling Cartier a liar? Not surprising being that you called George Washington a liar earlier in this thread. I am sure you are also one of those who propogate the holocaust and Hitler did no wrong either.

What's your name hunaku or something or other? Why don't you admit to the forum you are an aboriginal with an axe to grind.