Quebec group requests French citizenship

[whowhere]

I am no longer a Monarchist and have no longer have respect for the Queen but am a loyal, devoted, patriotic Canadian that is part of the majority White, English speaking culture of Canada.

Have you been to the GTA lately? You will sadly find yourself a minority.

Edited July 21, 2008 by whowhere

[g_bambino]

The Queen has failed Canadians when she allowed Pierre Trudeau to repatriate the Constitution UNDER FALSE PRETENSES and without the wishes of Canadians.

Trudeau used the repatriated Constitution to include unpatriotic, traitorous type amendments in the form of a Charter for the tremendous benefit of a corrupt Quebec.

Not that you usually let facts get in the way of your fantasies, but the patriation of the constitution was carried out in such a way that there it caused no crisis, no faltering in government or national stability; as Canadien pointed out, the provincial governments had all, but one, agreed to the move, as did the Senate. Thus, the Queen had no reason not to carry out her prime minister's advice and issue her Royal Proclamation of the Constitution Act, 1982. How you think this was of benefit to "corrupt" Quebec, I don't know; Quebec was the one province that did not agree to the amendments being and not being made; even the Queen, in a rare revelation of personal opinion, said she was disappointed Quebec's consent had not been achieved. Do you actually have a clue what the Meech Lake Accord was all about?

The only part of the constitution that's benefitted Quebec since 1982 is the Notwithstanding Clause; the only piece of law that keeps parliamentary supremacy barely alive in Canada.

[g_bambino]

Calling Cartier a liar? Not surprising being that you called George Washington a liar earlier in this thread.

Not only do you have a serious problem with writing the English language, you seemingly have an issue reading it as well. Maybe, given all your loopyness about the Iriquoian and French languages, you just have difficulty with communication in general. Except with your cosmic voices, that is.

[CANADIEN]

Me huh? From one who's mouth is a funnel of propoganda. Calling Cartier a liar?

Cartier wrote that the inhabitant of Stadacone called a town "Canada" and you are claiming that the word Canada came from his soul and has nothing to do with any word from the language used by the inhabitants of Stadacone. It cannot be both things at the same time. So, if you are right (which you are not), then Cartier must have lied when he wrote what he wrote. I and about everyone else know he didn't lie, but transcribed (with a mistake) what he has heard.

Not surprising being that you called George Washington a liar earlier in this thread.

Something everybody who can read knows full well I haven't.

I am sure you are also one of those who propogate the holocaust and Hitler did no wrong either.

So now I am an Holocaust-denier as well? :lol:

What's your name hunaku or something or other? Why don't you admit to the forum you are an aboriginal with an axe to grind.

I thought I was British.

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[guyser]

Cartier wrote that the inhabitant of Stadacone called a town "Canada"

I thought he built a highway.

[CANADIEN]

Not that you usually let facts get in the way of your fantasies, but the patriation of the constitution was carried out in such a way that there it caused no crisis, no faltering in government or national stability; as Canadien pointed out, the provincial governments had all, but one, agreed to the move, as did the Senate. Thus, the Queen had no reason not to carry out her prime minister's advice and issue her Royal Proclamation of the Constitution Act, 1982. How you think this was of benefit to "corrupt" Quebec, I don't know; Quebec was the one province that did not agree to the amendments being and not being made; even the Queen, in a rare revelation of personal opinion, said she was disappointed Quebec's consent had not been achieved. Do you actually have a clue what the Meech Lake Accord was all about?

The only part of the constitution that's benefitted Quebec since 1982 is the Notwithstanding Clause; the only piece of law that keeps parliamentary supremacy barely alive in Canada.

Let's not tell him the notwithstanding clause was relunctently added by Trudeau at the request of some of the English-speaking provinces.

[seabee]

I thought he built a highway.

No it was a bridge in ... Montréal.

[whowhere]

Good idea... I must have missed the part proving Cartier lied when he wrote that the people of Stadacone called a village or town "Canada" :lol:

More seriously, the one I am against is you, not God. I know it, He knows it, and everyone knows it except you.

Whose alphabet did cartier use in constructing this word? Who did this alphabet belong to? What did the Christian Cartier have in common with the Aboriginals? The aboriginals do not have the same belief system.

Genesis 11:5

5. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6. And the Lord said, behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

There you have it bud, ["they may not understand one another's speech"] Whose language were the aboriginals speaking? Whose language was Cartier speaking? Cartier took in the words using his language skills and brought about the word Canada. He used his soul/mind to interpret what he heard and wrote it in his book. So what!!!

Attack Cartier for your propoganda. You call George Washington a liar, you called Cartier a liar, now are you going to call "God"/moses a liar? Or are you going to confess you believe the Torah/Bible to be a work of fiction (It may very well be )and reveal to this Forum that you are nothing but a trolling aboriginal with an axe to grind.

[Leafless]

I forgot, to you French-speaking Canadians are foreigners.

The French language is the language of France. France is a foreign country. NO?

By doing her job

No.

By NOT doing her job and telling Pierre to go fly a kit.

She should never have trusted a French PM from Quebec.

Yep, he pretended he wanted to rapatriate the Constitution, include a Charter of Right and enshrine official languages.

Yes, we know what Mr. Trudeau and the Liberals did and makes me ashamed to be Canadian.

The elected House of Commons, and the elected legislatures of nine province out of ten agreed to it.

And that one province all the action was about, DID NOT.

Why Trudeau did not scrap the proposed Charter shows how corrupt the PM was.

And no political party has ever been elected to power in any of these provinces or at the federal level running on a program of reverting that.

Of course not because if they did they would be portrayed as incompetent corrupt fools.

Arguing, like you do, that English should be the only official language of commerce (in another words, that English should be mandated as the only language of commerce) is what constitute an attack on free speech.

English FREELY dominates Canada and is the undisputed language of commerce in Canada.

Why are you envious of that fact the French language cannot freely establish its own linguistic prominence?

Why are Francophones holding Canadians responsible for that fact?

Equality equates to freedom and it seems all you want to do is employ corrupt racist tactics by governments of all levels to forcefully rectify the Francophone self induced problem.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

[CANADIEN]

Not only do you have a serious problem with writing the English language, you seemingly have an issue reading it as well. Maybe, given all your loopyness about the Iriquoian and French languages, you just have difficulty with communication in general. Except with your cosmic voices, that is.

I don't think you have it quite right... his problem is with logic and understanding how languages work and how they change.

Don't worry, I too was wrong, I never expected that his next move was to invoke God :lol:

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[g_bambino]

The French language is the language of France. France is a foreign country. NO?

English FREELY dominates Canada.

The English language is the language of England. England is in a foreign country, NO?

By NOT doing her job and telling Pierre to go fly a kit.

How does one fly a kit? Is a dirigible made from a mail order model set?

[g_bambino]

I don't think you have it quite right... his problem is with logic and understanding how languages work and how they change.

I think he's speaking in tongues now... Maybe channeling some of those cosmic voices?

Attack Cartier for your propoganda. You call George Washington a liar, you called Cartier a liar, now are you going to call "God"/moses a liar? Or are you going to confess you believe the Torah/Bible to be a work of fiction (It may very well be) and reveal to this Forum that you are nothing but a trolling aboriginal with an axe to grind.

Yes, definitely the cosmic voices.

[CANADIEN]

Whose alphabet did cartier use in constructing this word? Who did this alphabet belong to? What did the Christian Cartier have in common with the Aboriginals? The aboriginals do not have the same belief system.

This is not about Cartier's belief system, or the belief system of the Iroquian. It is about the fact that he took one of the word of their language and transcribed it into a written form (including, in the process, mis-hearing the final sound of the word).

Genesis 11:5

5. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6. And the Lord said, behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

And it has nothing to do with the Bible either.

Cartier took in the words using his language skills and brought about the word Canada. He used his soul/mind to interpret what he heard and wrote it in his book. So what!!!

So now the fact he interpreted what he has heard - something I have been arguing all along - somehow proves your initial theory that the word Canada had nothing to with something he has heard? :lol:

Attack Cartier for your propoganda.

Why would I? Everybody who can read knows I haven't.

You call George Washington a liar(...)

Everybody who can read knows I haven't.

(...)you called Cartier a liar(...)

On the contrary, I said clearly that his writings show how he heard a word from another language and integrated it into his own..

(...)now are you going to call "God"/moses a liar?

God has made no revelation about the origin of the word Canada. Now, stop blaspheming by misusing his word. The Bible says nothing about transfers of word from Iroquian languages to French in the 16th century, and everybody who can read knows it.

Or are you going to confess you believe the Torah/Bible to be a work of fiction (It may very well be ) (...)

When I want to discuss the kind of truth that is found in the Bible, I will. My previous paragraph says clearly one thing I believe is not in there.

(...)

and reveal to this Forum that you are nothing but a trolling(...)

Nah

(...) aboriginal (...)

Nah

](...)with an axe to grind.

Nah... not even about the way you attack reason.

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[CANADIEN]

How does one fly a kit? Is a dirigible made from a mail order model set?

Stop it I lamost choked up real time laughing.

[CANADIEN]

The French language is the language of France. France is a foreign country. NO?

As a result of the history of our great country, English and French are Canadian languages. So are the languages of the First Nations.

She should never have trusted a French PM from Quebec.

Here we go again... He was a Canadian PM, from a province of Canada.

Yes, we know what Mr. Trudeau and the Liberals did and makes me ashamed to be Canadian.

Don't worry. The fact your drivel is on the WWW where anyone can see it makes ME ashamed that you are a Canadian.

Of course not because if they did they would be portrayed as incompetent corrupt fools.

Now now, those words are a bit harsh to describe politicians who oppose the Charter.

English FREELY dominates Canada (...)

which is why you want laws that would IMPOSE it as the sole official language of commerce

(...)and is the undisputed language of commerce in Canada.

Go say that in stores in Vancouver's Chinatown and Rimouski :lol:

Why are you envious of that fact the French language cannot freely establish its own linguistic prominence?

Not envious of anything

Why are Francophones holding Canadians responsible for that fact?

Here you go again, claiming that Francophones are not Canadians. You will never get it.

Equality equates to freedom(...)

And you want to deny people the freedom to choose the Canadian language in which they obtain government services, as well as the freedom to conduct business in other languages alongside English.

(...) and it seems all you want to do is employ corrupt racist tactics by governments of all levels(...)

true equality is a racist concept in your bigoted mind... not in the real world.

to forcefully rectify the Francophone self induced problem.

Thank you for the history lesson. I didn't know the Acadians deported themselves, the Franco-Manitobans came to the legislature demanding that the rights granted to them under the terms of manitoba's entry in the Confederation be illegally taken away, and Franco-Ontarians went crying to school boards pleading with them not to acknowledge their right to secondary schools.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Wake up and smell your own m*nure.

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[whowhere]

I don't think you have it quite right... his problem is with logic and understanding how languages work and how they change.

Don't worry, I too was wrong, I never expected that his next move was to invoke God :lol:

Why sidestep? Your answer here reveals you to believe the torah/bible to be a work of fiction.

That is fine. It is your perogative. If that is the case you can certainly have your opinions on language. However, once again I will remind you Cartier was a subject of a king who ruled France by divine right. The people of Europe beleived, in following their king, they were following the will and serving God in serving their country. Canada was born of this thought. With the existence of a christian Queen within Canada's constitution, Canada is still beholden to this thought. Fact is, Modern Canada works as a limited democracy, and is independent of Britain because of a weak British Monarchy. You can thank WWII for the weakening of the British Monarchy. With this weakening, the people of Canada were no longer subjects but became citizens. The English majority of Canada saw this as opportunity to f' with Quebec and did what it could to continue its hostilities towards Quebec. Although Quebec has not acheived sovereignty, it has tightened its defenses to insulate itself from the attacks of English Canada.

These attacks continue here with the British history revisionists.

[CANADIEN]

Why sidestep? Your answer here reveals you to believe the torah/bible to be a work of fiction.

The only thing my answer reveals, through your answer, is that you do not know how to read.

I will remind you Cartier was a subject of a king who ruled France by divine right. The people of Europe beleived, in following their king, they were following the will and serving God in serving their country. Canada was born of this thought.

Far from me to deny the role the motivations of the European explorers and missionaries have played throughout our history. Doesn't change the fact that Cartier was clear about where the WORD Canada came from.

These attacks continue here with the British history revisionists.

So, first I was British, then I was an aboriginal, now I am British again. I suppose I lie to myself by knowing I am Franco-Ontarian and therefore Canadian. :lol:

[CANADIEN]

Cartier's writings tell a classic story on how linguistic exchanges occur between two groups of people with different languages who have never met. Reminds me of the way parents teach language to their children by showing an object and naming it, or the way they teach a writing system by showing an image and thw written word, or the use of images in teaching a second language.

First, the French and the Iroquians communicated by signs. At some point, members of each group started pronouncing the words the associated with things they were pointing it. Cartier took two Iroquians of Stadacone to France, where they learned some French through immersion. When he returned in 1535, he used them as interpretors, learning more about their languages. Coming from a culture with a written system, it was normal that he would write down some of the words he was hearing alongside the corresponding words in his own language; it is not surprising that he misheard some of these words. As well, some of the words were absorbed into his own language, sometimes taking a different meaning.

Et voila.

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

The English language is the language of England. England is in a foreign country, NO?

England is the foreign country that gave us Canada, our constitution and our language.

There is no need to be jealous and envious of that fact.

If in fact you are, then why don't you put on your frog suit and paddle back to France?

[CANADIEN]

England is the foreign country that gave us Canada(...)

English immigrants and their descendants gave us Canada, along with the Frist Nations, the French, Irish, Scottish, Welsh immigrants and their descendants, the Loyalists and their descendants, and people from all over the word and their descendants.

our constitution and one of our languages.

If in fact you are, then why don't you put on your frog suit and paddle back to France?

People are ackonwledged to be racists for less than that.

Edited July 21, 2008 by CANADIEN

[Leafless]

Not that you usually let facts get in the way of your fantasies, but the patriation of the constitution was carried out in such a way that there it caused no crisis, no faltering in government or national stability; as Canadien pointed out, the provincial governments had all, but one, agreed to the move, as did the Senate. Thus, the Queen had no reason not to carry out her prime minister's advice and issue her Royal Proclamation of the Constitution Act, 1982. How you think this was of benefit to "corrupt" Quebec, I don't know; Quebec was the one province that did not agree to the amendments being and not being made; even the Queen, in a rare revelation of personal opinion, said she was disappointed Quebec's consent had not been achieved. Do you actually have a clue what the Meech Lake Accord was all about?

The only part of the constitution that's benefitted Quebec since 1982 is the Notwithstanding Clause; the only piece of law that keeps parliamentary supremacy barely alive in Canada.

Is that right!

Oh, its bambino's story telling time again.

For someone who never uses any type of citations must consider himself the ultimate source of information.

Goodnight bambino.

[guyser]

put on your frog suit and paddle back to France?

Of course even a half wit would know the frog could swim its way back....but a quarter wit wouldnt.

[Leafless]

As a result of the history of our great country, English and French are Canadian languages. So are the languages of the First Nations.

At a cost unfortunately that exceeds Canada's national debt.

Here we go again... He was a Canadian PM, from a province of Canada.

Now go tell that to Quebec.

You like playing both sides of the coin, whenever it suits you.

Don't worry. The fact your drivel is on the WWW where anyone can see it makes ME ashamed that you are a Canadian.

Everyone knows anyways Canada is a pushover and a sucker for punishment and to cowardly and dysfunctional to do anything about it.

On the world stage, even China knows this.

which is why you want laws that would IMPOSE it as the sole official language of commerce

To prevent French socialist extremist from from toppling it, utilizing the communist like version of the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'.

Go say that in stores in Vancouver's Chinatown and Rimouski.

Your right, I wouldn't go near either place.

Here you go again, claiming that Francophones are not Canadians. You will never get it.

Don't worry about that....I got it!

And you want to deny people the freedom to choose the Canadian language in which they obtain government services

Yes 100%.

I think up to now most Canadians know that luxury has seen its better days since funding bilingualism alone equates to more than the national debt.

as well as the freedom to conduct business in other languages alongside English.

Certainly the time has come because of high foreign immigration and the high cost bilingualism linguistic order must be preserved.

true equality is a racist concept in your bigoted mind... not in the real world.

True equality does not exist anywhere in the real world and is nothing more than a socialist fantasy, so get over it.

Its so nice when you don't have to pay for it, isn't it.

[Leafless]

Stop it I lamost choked up real time laughing.

Hey, another typo and poor sentence structure.

Soiling your pants for a typo?

[CANADIEN]

At a cost unfortunately that exceeds Canada's national debt.

You have the stats, of course.

Now go tell that to Quebec.

You like playing both sides of the coin, whenever it suits you.

Have I said anything other than Quebecers are Canadians? Quote please.

Everyone knows anyways Canada is a pushover and a sucker for punishment and to cowardly and dysfunctional to do anything about it.

On the world stage, even China knows this.

And that's being a loyal patriot? GET OUT if you hate it so much here.

To prevent French socialist extremist from from toppling it, utilizing the communist like version of the 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'.

I didn't know Communists were keen on rights.

Your right, I wouldn't go near either place.

Lucky them.

Yes 100%.

So, by your admission, you are in favour of a policy that would go even further than policies implemented by the Quebec government on behalf of the province's French-speaking majority. Policies that are called by you racist, undemocratic, communist, socialist, Nazi-like.

So, according to your own definition, what you propose is racist, undemocratic, communist, socialist, Nazi-like.

Thank you so very much.

Its so nice when you don't have to pay for it, isn't it.

You can prove I don't pay taxes, right?