Tories Sue Again

jdobbin · June 4, 2008

The Harper Tories can't seem to help themselves by running to the courts.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

"What I have on my tape is the interview in its entirety," Tom Zytaruk told CTV's Mike Duffy Live Wednesday.
He said the only break in his tape may have occurred during the interview when Harper appeared to have ended the conversation. But Harper then turned back to add something to the interview and Zytaruk said he immediately turned his recorder back on.

The Tories are claiming the tape is doctored.

Lawyers for the Conservative Party have filed a court motion to prevent the Liberal Party from using what they claimed was a "doctored" 2005 tape recording of Harper.

M.Dancer · June 4, 2008

I think we can all agree that DION did not doctor the tape.

He's not competant enough for that.....

M.Dancer · June 4, 2008

CTV confirms the tape has been doctored.....

Topaz · June 4, 2008

CTV confirms the tape has been doctored.....

Did they get someone to check it out or are they repeating what James Moore is saying?

Oleg Bach · June 4, 2008

I think we can all agree that DION did not doctor the tape.
He's not competant enough for that.....

Boy your values are askew. To be a crook is considered copetancey in your book? Dion is a whispy ghost like figure of a man and a nation can not follow a spector...nor should we speculate. He is not leadership material.

Topaz · June 4, 2008

Don Newman asked good question to James Moore about the results, that they say are proof they were "doctored" but Newman asked doctored or edited? Ken Dryden said that all the press and the parties got a tape from the publisher. It would seem that the Conservative tape is the only one so far "doctored". The author said the original tape hasn't been doctored and that he would have to have rocks in his head to do that! The two guys that did the paid job for the Cons were from New Jersey and Canada. I wouldn`t put it past the Cons to make a `doctored`tape then asked someone to take a look at it.

M.Dancer · June 5, 2008

Did they get someone to check it out or are they repeating what James Moore is saying?

Sorry, I had tuned in accidently to Mike Duffy, but it came through Topa'z toaster.....I was sure it was a CTV audio expert who made the call but I can't find any thing to confirm.....

darn toaster news

peter_puck · June 5, 2008

The author said the original tape hasn't been doctored and that he would have to have rocks in his head to do that!

Like Grewall...

Keepitsimple · June 5, 2008

Dobbin - am I missing something or is this old news that we've already been through in the Cadman Affair thread. We knew months ago that they were suing - not because the tape was altered, but because of the profane insults that appeared on the Liberal website. In the meantime, they have had the media tape professionally analysed as part of that lawsuit and have applied for an injunction to stop the Liberals from mis-representing the information contained therein. This is not a new lawsuit. This is actually ho-hum news because any sane person knows that the tape had been altered. The publisher could very easily clear this up by releasing the full version of the tape - which the author said was at least 10 minutes....but again, the lawsuit is not specifically about the tape - it's about the over-the-top comments that were made on the Liberals website - most of which have been removed.

Edited June 5, 2008 by Keepitsimple

margrace · June 5, 2008

Being sued is certainly a deterent for ordinary citizens, it lets a lot go on that should be stopped. Is this a new way of governing, the fear factor?

Edited June 5, 2008 by margrace

BubberMiley · June 5, 2008

Being sued is certainly a deterent for ordinary citizens, it lets a lot go on that should be stopped. Is this a new way of governing, the fear factor?

Yes, the Tories aren't saying the tape has been changed to misrespresent what Harper said because they know they would get caught in that lie. Create a vague definition of "doctored" that includes editing it for length and they can try and create the impression the whole thing was faked.

Given how they tend to openly have contempt for the intelligence of the average voter, it's consistent with their usual strategy.

jdobbin · June 5, 2008

Dobbin - am I missing something or is this old news that we've already been through in the Cadman Affair thread. We knew months ago that they were suing - not because the tape was altered, but because of the profane insults that appeared on the Liberal website. In the meantime, they have had the media tape professionally analysed as part of that lawsuit and have applied for an injunction to stop the Liberals from mis-representing the information contained therein. This is not a new lawsuit. This is actually ho-hum news because any sane person knows that the tape had been altered. The publisher could very easily clear this up by releasing the full version of the tape - which the author said was at least 10 minutes....but again, the lawsuit is not specifically about the tape - it's about the over-the-top comments that were made on the Liberals website - most of which have been removed.

The injunction is new. The author says he has released the full version.

The Tories are not disputing what was said in the tape. They are saying that experts hear clicks where the tape was stopped and re-started.

It is funny that the Tories are not actually calling for the tape to be released if they believe it exists and they are not suing the author for libel.

scribblet · June 5, 2008

Just another opportunity for Dobbin to further his agenda and shill for the Liberals LOL - not to mention that the question of whether the Conservatives offered some sort of bribe to Chuck Cadman in 2005 etc. has already been put to rest with the RCMP reporting "no evidence" to support such an allegation.

The http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home story here seems to confirms that the tape which the Liberals have been using to smear and slander the Conservatives is incomplete and doctored through the deliberate insertion of a sound clip into the tape.

the Liberals will now have to answer a serious of serious questions:

1. Did they know the tape was doctored?

2. How long have they been using the tape knowing it was doctored?

3. Who is responsible for this?

4. When will the Liberals apologize for their slanderous attacks and misrepresentation of the Prime Minster, Conservative officials, and the Conservative Party as a whole?

expert analysis makes Tom Zytaruk look to the Liberals for source of manipulation

http://stevejanke.com/ archives/ 265918.php

The analysis of the Cadman tape is pretty damning. So much so that Tom Zytaruk himself is putting some distance between himself and the tape. He tries to draw a distinction between his original tape in his safe, and the digital copy on the Liberal website. Zytaruk points out, rather reasonably, that he can't control what people do with digital recordings that they put on the website.

jdobbin · June 5, 2008

Yes, the Tories aren't saying the tape has been changed to misrespresent what Harper said because they know they would get caught in that lie. Create a vague definition of "doctored" that includes editing it for length and they can try and create the impression the whole thing was faked.
Given how they tend to openly have contempt for the intelligence of the average voter, it's consistent with their usual strategy.

Mcalean's has broken it down.

http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/06/04/the-tal...heyre-alleging/

What isn’t clear is whether or not he is claiming that the question itself - whether Harper knows anything about an alleged offer - was never asked - which would be a fairly sensational allegation, since it would point to deliberate, elaborate “doctoring” of the tape.
That, however, is what I was told by a Conservative this afternoon - that the question itself was added after the interview had taken place. If so, that would be huge - it would change the whole context of the conversation.

So why not mention that at the press conference? Or in the press release? Or anywhere other than an off the record conversation with a reporter? For that matter, why is this the first time we’ve heard this from the Prime Minister himself? Did he not remember whether or not he was asked the question? If he doesn’t, how can he - or we - be sure that his other recollections from that day are accurate?

As for the audio experts, both seem to confirm that there is something - a change, a pause, a blip - just before the Zytaruk allegedly asked about the insurance policy, but neither goes so far as to suggest the entire question was added after the interview had taken place.

jdobbin · June 5, 2008

Just another opportunity for Dobbin to further his agenda and shill for the Liberals LOL - not to mention that the question of whether the Conservatives offered some sort of bribe to Chuck Cadman in 2005 etc. has already been put to rest with the RCMP reporting "no evidence" to support such an allegation.

Just another attempt for the right wing to personalize in a post? Why do it? Do I go naming you in a post? Is that for the Tory playbook? Why can't Tories simply comment on a post without the attacks on the person? Just another example of the elbows up in the corner of today's Conservative party.

scribblet · June 5, 2008

Just another attempt for the right wing to personalize in a post? Why do it? Do I go naming you in a post? Is that for the Tory playbook? Why can't Tories simply comment on a post without the attacks on the person? Just another example of the elbows up in the corner of today's Conservative party.

or just more knee jerk reactions from the Liberals LOL

jdobbin · June 5, 2008

or just more knee jerk reactions from the Liberals LOL

It seems the right wing can't get by without insulting.

sharkman · June 5, 2008

Just another opportunity for Dobbin to further his agenda and shill for the Liberals LOL - not to mention that the question of whether the Conservatives offered some sort of bribe to Chuck Cadman in 2005 etc. has already been put to rest with the RCMP reporting "no evidence" to support such an allegation.
The http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home story here seems to confirms that the tape which the Liberals have been using to smear and slander the Conservatives is incomplete and doctored through the deliberate insertion of a sound clip into the tape.

the Liberals will now have to answer a serious of serious questions:

1. Did they know the tape was doctored?

2. How long have they been using the tape knowing it was doctored?

3. Who is responsible for this?

4. When will the Liberals apologize for their slanderous attacks and misrepresentation of the Prime Minster, Conservative officials, and the Conservative Party as a whole?

expert analysis makes Tom Zytaruk look to the Liberals for source of manipulation

http://stevejanke.com/ archives/ 265918.php

The analysis of the Cadman tape is pretty damning. So much so that Tom Zytaruk himself is putting some distance between himself and the tape. He tries to draw a distinction between his original tape in his safe, and the digital copy on the Liberal website. Zytaruk points out, rather reasonably, that he can't control what people do with digital recordings that they put on the website.

Good questions all. But the Liberals will keep up with the shrill attacks, all the while unaware that they are slowly being tuned out.

madmax · June 5, 2008

Good questions all. But the Liberals will keep up with the shrill attacks, all the while unaware that they are slowly being tuned out.

The Harper Government doesn't have much good news to talk about. Shifting from the Bernier Debacle to the Cadman Affair suggest that the CPC needs a new deck of cards.

scribblet · June 5, 2008

The Harper Government doesn't have much good news to talk about. Shifting from the Bernier Debacle to the Cadman Affair suggest that the CPC needs a new deck of cards.

Or the Liberals aren`t playing with a full deck :rolleyes:

Remiel · June 5, 2008

But the Liberals will keep up with the shrill attacks, all the while unaware that they are slowly being tuned out.

The only thing I find shrill here is your and your compatriots use of the word " shrill. " Funny how that works.

Topaz · June 5, 2008

Here's an idea, Harper to appear before a swearing in committee and he can clarify what he DID say and what he DIDN'T say and what he meant by all of it??? Then the taxpayers won't have to pay for another "I'm suing u" idea from the Cons.

sharkman · June 6, 2008

The only thing I find shrill here is your and your compatriots use of the word " shrill. " Funny how that works.

That has nothing to do with how shrill the Liberals can get and everything to do with your politics. And it's not funny, it's predictable.

Topaz, the problem with your idea is that the Liberals/media would immediately suspect Harper of some conspiracy. Also predictable.

Borg · June 6, 2008

My question to myself today - as I drove down the road was - "What if it is true?"

Borg

Remiel · June 6, 2008

That has nothing to do with how shrill the Liberals can get and everything to do with your politics. And it's not funny, it's predictable.

And I suppose you think yourself very clever to apply the spin with your descriptions of shrillness. Your description of how the Liberals speak has nothing to do with their elocution and everything to do with your politics. Predictable indeed.