DrGreenthumb Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 No, she appears to be only someone who has been married to one and involved with another Hell's Angel.The RCMP warned about how the RCMP was trying to infiltrate government. One can imagine this might be one way. Security matters are a public concern. Harper seems to think the hole thing is ridiculous. The security experts don't. It wouldn't surprise me if the conservatives are tied to bikers. After all the new Conservative Drug War laws are made to order for the big organized crime bosses. Prohibition and corruption go together quite nicely. Al Capone had government officialls paid off to keep alcohol prohibition going so he could maximize profits too. I guess the conservatives are tied to both the legal and illegal drug lords. Clement, a major pharma stockholder in a major conflict of interest as health minister, introduced bill c-51 wich will make 60-70 % of currently sold natural health products illegal. Now we will have prohibition on ALL plants that compete with BigPharma. Stand up for your rights as free humans and resist the governments attempts to own you. Quote
August1991 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 (edited) And you think Harper knew why?By reports, Harper told Bernier that Laureen would never dress that way and Bernier answered "Of course."Gossip is the currency of politics. Politicians want to know and no politician would ever admit privately to not knowing. ---- Harper needed Bernier and Bernier knew this. Now then, how badly does Harper need Bernier now? Not much. Les gens de la Beauce aiment Harper. But they're watching and Harper will have to make some decisions. What I would give to listen in to Harper's phone conversations with Charest and Mulroney now! Edited May 10, 2008 by August1991 Quote
Shakeyhands Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 He's becoming a serious liability very quickly. Toronto Star Article How long does he have before he is taken off of his portfolio. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Michael Bluth Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 He's becoming a serious liability very quickly.Toronto Star Article How long does he have before he is taken off of his portfolio. The following quote was 'conveniently' ignored. Hrab also pointed out that Chamas' company website features an undated photo of himself with former prime minister Jean Chrétien. (Come on Shakey, try and provide a touch of reasonability in your 'proof' for someone becoming a 'serious liability'. This article is nothing more than the Toronto Star trying to create a feeding frenzy.) How soon before Chretien is arrested for having his picture taken with this random? In the interest of fairness. (See how that concept works...) It also has two photos of Chamas standing with former Progressive Conservative finance minister John Crosbie, who was recently appointed lieutenant-governor of Newfoundland by Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and who is listed as "legal counsel to Mr. Chamas." So the guy is a crooked wannabe who likes getting his picture taken with politicians. Woo hoo. Let's prosecute anyone who had their picture taken with him. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Fortunata Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 How soon before Chretien is arrested for having his picture taken with this random? (tune the familiar whine).... but the Liberals.... Bernier made it public business with the girlfriend as soon as he brought her into his workplace, i.e. his swearing in. Anyone that may be privy to his government work in any form should be checked out and security cleared. If he had left her at home baking cinnamon buns, then maybe it wouldn't be such a security issue. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 (tune the familiar whine).... but the Liberals....Bernier made it public business with the girlfriend as soon as he brought her into his workplace, i.e. his swearing in. Anyone that may be privy to his government work in any form should be checked out and security cleared. If he had left her at home baking cinnamon buns, then maybe it wouldn't be such a security issue. Genetically speaking..take a guy like Conrad Black..and say the head of the Hells Angels..they are all from the same clan...only difference is that the Conrads of the world won the age old family feud and came up on top and labled themselves establishment. Seriously speaking..if a person has gang connections of any kind then they sould be ejected from any position of power. There is no such thing as "personal life" in regards to public life..the former gang maul should step down. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 (tune the familiar whine).... but the Liberals.... The article was about Bernier having a picture with this guy. He also had a picture with Chretien and John Crosbie. Glad to see you are freely using your exemption from the rule on personal attacks. Bernier made it public business with the girlfriend as soon as he brought her into his workplace, i.e. his swearing in. Anyone that may be privy to his government work in any form should be checked out and security cleared. What exactly was the risk at bringing her to the swearing in? Should anyone, any cabinet minister brings to a public function be checked out by security? At what cost? See how that worked? Ask reasonable questions. No personal attacks. Pleasant... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Fortunata Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 The article was about Bernier having a picture with this guy. He also had a picture with Chretien and John Crosbie.Glad to see you are freely using your exemption from the rule on personal attacks. What exactly was the risk at bringing her to the swearing in? Should anyone, any cabinet minister brings to a public function be checked out by security? At what cost? See how that worked? Ask reasonable questions. No personal attacks. Pleasant... Show me where in my post I personally attacked you. As for Bernier, as soon as any girlfriend, wife or what have you becomes privy to the workplace, they should be treated as though they are privy to all the workplace. Bernier is the minister of a very important portfolio with very high-level security issues. If there is any question to whether they may hear anything then becomes part of our security. Bernier wanting to bring her to international meetings should tell even the most partisan this. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Show me where in my post I personally attacked you. Why? You've got immunity from prosecution it appears. Whine - a feeble, peevish complaint. Not flattering, 'not playing the ball' in Greg's words. Inflammatory. It's in the mods hands now. I'll just let you accuse me of 'whining' then somehow claim it wasn't a personal attack. Bernier wanting to bring her to international meetings should tell even the most partisan this. Are you calling the swearing-in ceremony an international meeting? They have broken up. She's no longer part of his life. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Oleg Bach Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Why? You've got immunity from prosecution it appears.Not flattering, 'not playing the ball' in Greg's words. Inflammatory. It's in the mods hands now. I'll just let you accuse me of 'whining' then somehow claim it wasn't a personal attack. Are you calling the swearing-in ceremony an international meeting? They have broken up. She's no longer part of his life. I knew a woman years ago that ran a bar. She had a boyfriend. A very unsavory time. Charming and good looking was the man. Years latter I found out that he was a contract killer. NOW - any woman that beds down with a murder - in eccense condones murder..end of story! Quote
Fortunata Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Why? You've got immunity from prosecution it appears. LOL, take a look at your own posts. The whine is ... but the Liberals.... It only fits if you make it fit. It's in the mods hands now. I'll just let you accuse me of 'whining' then somehow claim it wasn't a personal attack. Do as I say but not as I do, right? Are you calling the swearing-in ceremony an international meeting? They have broken up. She's no longer part of his life. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 LOL, take a look at your own posts.The whine is ... but the Liberals.... It only fits if you make it fit. Do as I say but not as I do, right? Are you being deliberately obtuse? The stench of modernity and eccentric liberalism "no longer part of her life" - Hey - I could say as a mass murder that killing was no longer part of my life....joking aside. If she had a relationship with an arch crimminal and he then character deemed it acceptable - then - I as the question..Is her character from the past "no longer part of her life"? Or does that past personal character still exist even in part..Is she capable of condoning crimminal behaviour at this point in time? Apparently she was back then! Has she changed? Know one knows - only her. AND she has not spoken to that fact thus far. How could you fully trust the former wife of a mobster? I don't get you people. Here character should be in question and all we hear from the peanut gallery is some Doctor Phil retoricals. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 The following quote was 'conveniently' ignored. (Come on Shakey, try and provide a touch of reasonability in your 'proof' for someone becoming a 'serious liability'. This article is nothing more than the Toronto Star trying to create a feeding frenzy.) How soon before Chretien is arrested for having his picture taken with this random? In the interest of fairness. (See how that concept works...) So the guy is a crooked wannabe who likes getting his picture taken with politicians. Woo hoo. Let's prosecute anyone who had their picture taken with him. Really? You totally miss the fact that Chretien isn't in politics anymore. How is this relevant to the optics of Bernier anyway, which of course was the point I was making. Everything isn't an attack MB. Relax a little. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Michael Bluth Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Really? You totally miss the fact that Chretien isn't in politics anymore. How is this relevant to the optics of Bernier anyway, which of course was the point I was making. Of course, you ignored the proven point that this guy likes getting his picture taken with politicians. Active or retired. Other than the picture there is no proven connection between Bernier and this guy. Everything isn't an attack MB. Relax a little. I'll start taking moderation advice from you when you become a mod. Until then .... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Oleg Bach Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Of course, you ignored the proven point that this guy likes getting his picture taken with politicians. Active or retired. Other than the picture there is no proven connection between Bernier and this guy. I'll start taking moderation advice from you when you become a mod. Until then .... Malroney walked away free after admitting he made a "mistake" - I suppose she can plead "mistake" also. Quote
Topaz Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Is the reason that Bernier isn't going with her now because Harper found out about her past live and the connection to organized crime and told Bernier to break it off without drawing attention of the press??? You kinda have to wonder how they met in the first place how would someone with her past come across a politician....do they go to the same bar?? Quote
Shakeyhands Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Of course, you ignored the proven point that this guy likes getting his picture taken with politicians. Active or retired. Other than the picture there is no proven connection between Bernier and this guy. I'll start taking moderation advice from you when you become a mod. Until then .... I don't see why you are pretending to miss the point. I assume you must be pretending. Anyone can pose and get a picture with anyone, it doesn't matter that he is pictured with, its the OPTICS and the PERCEPTION that are at the issue here, along with all the other issue surounding Bernier... well come on.... I'd also call in to question this little gem: According to a Conservative party candidate, Chamas was invited to deliver a short speech to a Jan. 15 Conservative fundraiser in the north-end Montreal riding of Papineau, an event attended by 200 supporters and several prominent Tories, including Bernier. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/424061 As far as my moderation advice goes, take it for what it's worth, it doesn't matter to me if you like it or not. I've tried to reach out to you and be civil. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
capricorn Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Is the reason that Bernier isn't going with her now because Harper found out about her past live and the connection to organized crime and told Bernier to break it off without drawing attention of the press??? Regardless of why or when Bernier stopped dating Couillard, it would have drawn the attention of the press. Whenever a Conservative MP burps or farts we're bound to hear about it. You kinda have to wonder how they met in the first place how would someone with her past come across a politician....do they go to the same bar?? I haven't seen anything in the press about how they met but you can be sure it will be reported somewhere. topaz from your "bar" comment, it seems you think he may have picked her up somewhere sleazy. After all, she is a beautiful woman and has an impressive set of boobs. How could he resist, right? Check out this photo you'll see what I mean. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/422822 Beautiful women with big boobs can be found anywhere, not just in bars. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Oleg Bach Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Regardless of why or when Bernier stopped dating Couillard, it would have drawn the attention of the press. Whenever a Conservative MP burps or farts we're bound to hear about it.I haven't seen anything in the press about how they met but you can be sure it will be reported somewhere. topaz from your "bar" comment, it seems you think he may have picked her up somewhere sleazy. After all, she is a beautiful woman and has an impressive set of boobs. How could he resist, right? Check out this photo you'll see what I mean. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/422822 Beautiful women with big boobs can be found anywhere, not just in bars. If all it takes is an "impressive set of boobs" to sway a man in public office..they let him be swayed..just don't let the dink near the cash. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Posted May 10, 2008 On the contrary, Harper has a reputation for taking the heat for people. As opposed to Chretien and modern day Liberals, Harper is like Trudeau: he defends colleagues and uses his reputation to protect them. You think? Seems to me that Bernier has been a bit of a thorn in the PMO's side if not Harper's. The recent defence sounds like that given to O'Connor before he was moved. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Posted May 10, 2008 (edited) Really? You totally miss the fact that Chretien isn't in politics anymore. How is this relevant to the optics of Bernier anyway, which of course was the point I was making. It also might be relevant if it could be shown that the guy was doing illegal stuff back when Crosbie and Chretien were in power. I would like to know if Chamas has donated money to Bernier and the Tory party or lobbied the government. Edited May 10, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
gc1765 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 You're tieing Bernier to a former girlfriend's connections to third parties. A bit of a stretch.You probably would lambast anyone who tied Obama to the Reverend Wright. Does that mean you think Obama was unfairly criticized for being "connected" to Reverend Wright? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted May 11, 2008 Report Posted May 11, 2008 Regardless of why or when Bernier stopped dating Couillard, it would have drawn the attention of the press. Whenever a Conservative MP burps or farts we're bound to hear about it. The opposition has been flogging this one for a while. It only got play on a slow news day. It's been a passing story. It also might be relevant if it could be shown that the guy was doing illegal stuff back when Crosbie and Chretien were in power.I would like to know if Chamas has donated money to Bernier and the Tory party or lobbied the government. Really goes to show how desperate the opposition is to dig up dirt on the Conservatives. Bernier is a bad guy because he got his picture taken with the guy, but we'll give Chretien a pass because it hasn't been shown 'the guy was doing illegal stuff' when Jean was in power... Wow, what an utterly convincing argument. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted May 11, 2008 Author Report Posted May 11, 2008 Regardless of why or when Bernier stopped dating Couillard, it would have drawn the attention of the press. Whenever a Conservative MP burps or farts we're bound to hear about it. Most Tory MPs have been able to have personal lives that don't seem to touch so closely to Quebec's biker wars. Quote
capricorn Posted May 11, 2008 Report Posted May 11, 2008 (edited) Well here's something interesting from the 2006 leader's debate from the live blogging of the debate on CBC's website. What’s this? “I was threatened by the Hells Angels during the last campaign,” Gilles Duceppe has just said. Where did that come from? A quick search of Google comes up with no hits. Is Google failing me, or did Duceppe decide to keep such a threat secret until now? If so, why blurt it out in the middle of a national leaders' debate? A sympathy ploy? Surely not... Ah, a further search reveals stories about threats from the 2000 election campaign. The Hells Angels biker gang was not specifically named, though Duceppe's call for a crackdown on bikers was mentioned in the same breath. —CR9:02 p.m. EST http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/analysiscomm...blog060110.html Duceppe may have a big ax to grind with biker gangs. He apparently knew of Couillard's past before it hit the press. I'd be curious to know who is doing his investigative work. Maybe Duceppe has a mole within the bikers' entourage that reports information to him. Hmmm..... edit: that would be the French leaders' debate linked above. Edited May 11, 2008 by capricorn Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
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