Harper suing the Liberals

[Topaz]

Will Harper really do it or is he just pounding his chest? If he really believes that what the Liberals are saying are lies than why hasn't he included Dona Cadman, daughter and son-inlaw and the author of the book in the law suit? Why is he letting Dona run as a Conservative IF all that has been said are lies? I bet Harper is really wanting an election right about now to clear away all the scandals going on in HIS government!

[eyeball]

If Harper wanted to appear serious about stopping scandals in Canada he could have implemented Gomery's recommendations.

Gomery blasts Tory response to sponsorship recommendations

As it stands now the only thing that will ever convince me our governments and politicians are serious about stamping out corruption will be the day they chip and wire themselves to the Internet.

[JaysFan]

If Harper wanted to appear serious about stopping scandals in Canada he could have implemented Gomery's recommendations.

Gomery blasts Tory response to sponsorship recommendations

As it stands now the only thing that will ever convince me our governments and politicians are serious about stamping out corruption will be the day they chip and wire themselves to the Internet.

Of course Harper has no intention of implementing Justice Gomery's recommendations. They would severly cut into his fascist ideology of governing.

As to the lawsuit, see my new signature

I'm sure it'd make great headlines for him to file a lawsuit against every and any Canadian that dares to call him for what he is.

Edited March 14, 2008 by JaysFan

[capricorn]

Of course Harper has no intention of implementing Justice Gomery's recommendations. They would severly cut into his fascist ideology of governing.

Are you saying the Liberals support fascists? After all, they keep propping up the Conservatives by abstaining on votes or voting with the government.

As to the lawsuit, see my new signature

Yeah, cute. You could have made it a little big bigger. I had to use a magnifying glass to read "Going to sue me too Steve? You waste of skin". How juvenile. But that's what I'd expect from a Jays fan.

I'm sure it'd make great headlines for him to file a lawsuit against every and any Canadian that dares to call him for what he is.

No need to sue any Canadians. He's getting plenty of headlines as is with the libel suit against the Liberal Party. When Harper says he'll do something, he does it. No dithering, no double talk.

[margrace]

Yes and we had better get saving for the crown, they can be costly, and we will pay.

[Keepitsimple]

The most offending comments have since been removed from the Liberal Website - they originally appeared under "Harper must come clean about allegations of Conservative Bribery, Liberals Say". The offending section contained statements like:

"Harper knew about the Bribery and Condoned it. He knew it was immoral. He knew it was unethical. He knew it was illegal. It was a violation of Section 119 of the Criminal Code"

Is it really any wonder that Harper sued the Liberals? You simply cannot let attacks like these go unanswered. This was material that was put in the Public Domain and you can clearly tell by some of the more rabid posts on this topic that people have been affected by these unproven, distasteful allegations - they are simply way over the top.

[guyser]

When Harper says he'll do something, he does it. No dithering, no double talk.

Like the gun registry?Not using polls to govern?No income trust moves?

Are you saying the Liberals support fascists? After all, they keep propping up the Conservatives by abstaining on votes or voting with the government.

Ok that is funny. Good one.

[jdobbin]

When Harper says he'll do something, he does it. No dithering, no double talk.

He said he was going to sue Dion, Ignatieff and Goodale. Ditherer.

[capricorn]

Like the gun registry?

You're referring to eliminating it altogether? He wouldn't dare do that and cause massive cardiac arrest among the leftists.

Not using polls to govern?

Bureaucrats also had a tendency to abuse the use of polls. I'm all for reducing this wasteful spending.

No income trust moves?

Don't know enough about this matter to comment. All I know is there are two schools of thought, i.e. one that it was a good move and the other that it was a bad move. I'll remain non-committal.

[capricorn]

He said he was going to sue Dion, Ignatieff and Goodale. Ditherer.

Obviously, he amended his libel suit in accordance with the advice given him by his lawyers. IMO, the reason he omitted these Liberals from the lawsuit is that he could not prove that any one of these three specifically authorized what was reproduced on the Liberal website. It's quite possible he limited the lawsuit to the Liberal Party and unnamed sources of members of the Party who operate the website.

Edited March 14, 2008 by capricorn

[JaysFan]

You're referring to eliminating it altogether? He wouldn't dare do that and cause massive cardiac arrest among the leftists.

Bureaucrats also had a tendency to abuse the use of polls. I'm all for reducing this wasteful spending.

Don't know enough about this matter to comment. All I know is there are two schools of thought, i.e. one that it was a good move and the other that it was a bad move. I'll remain non-committal.

So you're a ditherer then?

In reference to your question about the Liberals propping the Conservatives up, that can be answered very easily.

Dion makes the history of France look strong by comparison.

The Liberals need new leadership.

[Cameron]

Stop referring to the CPC as fascists. Show respect to all parties. We went through this awhile back in Jean Chretien

[capricorn]

The Liberals need new leadership.

I totally agree. And you know wha? If a new leader materializes and they get off their a** and develop meaningful policies they may just regain my vote.

[JaysFan]

The most offending comments have since been removed from the Liberal Website - they originally appeared under "Harper must come clean about allegations of Conservative Bribery, Liberals Say". The offending section contained statements like:

Is it really any wonder that Harper sued the Liberals? You simply cannot let attacks like these go unanswered. This was material that was put in the Public Domain and you can clearly tell by some of the more rabid posts on this topic that people have been affected by these unproven, distasteful allegations - they are simply way over the top.

Who's to say it was distasteful or way over the top?

The only one's claiming that to be are the loyal fans of Harper.

If Harper said the world was flat, they'd agree with him.

[jdobbin]

Obviously, he amended his libel suit in accordance with the advice given him by his lawyers. IMO, the reason he omitted these Liberals from the lawsuit is that he could not prove that any one of these three specifically authorized what was reproduced on the Liberal website. It's quite possible he limited the lawsuit to the Liberal Party and unnamed sources of members of the Party who operate the website.

So on other words, he says something and doesn't do it.

[capricorn]

So on other words, he says something and doesn't do it.

Not in "other" words, in "your" words. There's a vast difference.

[BubberMiley]

Anyone who invests in income trusts can tell you Harper's word is always good.

[jdobbin]

Not in "other" words, in "your" words. There's a vast difference.

I think I can remember how good his word is on income trusts.

[Wild Bill]

Who's to say it was distasteful or way over the top?

The only one's claiming that to be are the loyal fans of Harper.

If Harper said the world was flat, they'd agree with him.

Well, one thing's for sure. If you were the judge you'd have to step down for being too involved!

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in court. Libel is a criminal matter, not a political one. It's one thing to cheer for your own team. It's quite another to commit an illegal act in support of them.

I heard that Dion did essentially the same thing a while ago, went to court and lost. If true, you'd think he'd learn. I hardly think that with the Liberals being so broke they could afford to pay off a libel suit.

What if the court convened during the campaign? Would the Liberal lawyers try to have a secret court if the proceedings were going against them, making them look bad as we came down to the polls?

This could be a lot of fun!

[JaysFan]

Well, one thing's for sure. If you were the judge you'd have to step down for being too involved!

No, not me.

I'd be a hanging judge. I'd hang Harper for wasting our tax dollars with his frivilous lawsuit.

[Alta4ever]

Wow............Much ado about nothing.

Why is something that can not be proved by the ones making the accusations, such a big deal. Lets revisit the recent floor crossings, and what happened. Lets work backwards from the current to the past. Emerson, crossed right after the last election, became a member of Cabinet, no inquiry. Belinda crossed at the at the same vote in question received a Cabinet post, no inquiry. Scott Brison again crosses the floor to a cabinet post, no inquiry.

Now lets look at this there is no first hand information of a monetary inducement, just third hand speculation on what may or may not have happened. There was nothing accepted by Cadman, we have Cadman on Mike Duffy and on a separate occasion were he said nothing was offered.

As for the very first post of the thread the Cadmans, and the author never said or implied that the Right Hon. Stephen Harper knew about any such offer. They never used the word bribe. These all were added by the liberal party. That is libel and slander, that is why they are being sued.

Now I will invite you all down off your high horses to act like rational human beings. There has been nothing but irrational emotional rhetoric on this subject.

[capricorn]

I'd be a hanging judge. I'd hang Harper for wasting our tax dollars with his frivilous lawsuit.

I'm not so sure Harper would use taxpayers' money. I would think the Conservative party has enough in the bank to pay for this action. And if Harper was to win outright from a judgment, chances are the Liberals would have to pay Harper's costs. If it was an out of court settlement, I really can't say.

Where are our lawyer posters when we need them?

[Alta4ever]

No, not me.

I'd be a hanging judge. I'd hang Harper for wasting our tax dollars with his frivilous lawsuit.

There is nothing frivilous about this, this has a damaging effect on The Right Hon. Stephen Harper.

It is with merit.

I suggest you tone down the rhetoric and look at the know facts.

If you like the man that is fine, but that does not give you the right to slander him.

[jdobbin]

There was nothing accepted by Cadman, we have Cadman on Mike Duffy and on a separate occasion were he said nothing was offered.

And then we have Cadman later say on radio just before he died that there was a financial offer. We have his wife say there was an insurance policy. We have high daughter say so as well. We have the son-in-law say there was a financial offer. We then have a transcript of Harper in regards to the issue.

Now, we have Tories running away from the discussion in committee. Embarrassing.

[Alta4ever]

And then we have Cadman later say on radio just before he died that there was a financial offer. We have his wife say there was an insurance policy. We have high daughter say so as well. We have the son-in-law say there was a financial offer. We then have a transcript of Harper in regards to the issue.

Now, we have Tories running away from the discussion in committee. Embarrassing.

No what is embarrassing is how people won't drop something when there is no first hand info. An insurance policy, hmmm I have held both Life and P&C insurance licenses, never came across a company that would insure a terminal cancer patient. That doesn't exist. Who’s to say if Chuck was delusional, when he spoke about an insurance policy, a nice side effect of the drugs. I have first hand knowledge of that as I say it first hand in the months leading up to my mothers death. (caused by a cancer tumour)

Please post the transcript, it says nothing about a life insurance policy, it only talks about an offer.

Please tell me with your mind reading ability what Harper meant when he said offer.

The problem is there is no way to tell what is truthful and what isn't. There is no proof, and this bickering serves no purpose.

The burden of proof is on the accuser, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

Time to stop the wildly emotional accustions.