HOW MUCH SHOULD IMMIGRANTS ASSIMILATE TO CANADIAN CULTURE

[iForgot]

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[xul]

If anyone asked me how much should I like to be assimilate to Canada Culture, I would ask:

In this forum, whose behaviour is the representative of "Canadian Culture" ?

[Guest American Woman]

If anyone asked me how much should I like to be assimilate to Canada Culture, I would ask:

In this forum, whose behaviour is the representative of "Canadian Culture" ?

Mine?

Seems to me the obvious answer is they have to obey Canadian laws. Beyond that, what does it matter?

[scribblet]

We shouldn't be providing taxpayer money to promote the differences or to keep them apart.

[xul]

Mine?

Seems to me the obvious answer is they have to obey Canadian laws. Beyond that, what does it matter?

If there was a culture absolutely "up" than others in the world, why would we care to be assimilate by it? If there is a culture that some part of it is better than ours, why do we refuse to assimilate this part of it? Which culture around world is a "pure blood" culture without mixed with other culture in some historic period?

I just doubt there exists a uniform criteria of "Canada Culture" like a law to present to immigrants for assimilation. In other words, just assume there were not any immigrants in Canada, but if Canada government try to write a uniform criteria of Canada culture to enforce all Canadian to obey it, I guess this country would go into civil war.

Edited February 12, 2008 by xul

[Guest American Woman]

We shouldn't be providing taxpayer money to promote the differences or to keep them apart.

In what ways is tax money being use to promote differences and keep them apart?

[iForgot]

Immigrants form ethnic ghettos and want us to accomadate them.... thats what I mean is the problem. In my opinion they should drop their cultural baggage at the doors and become a Canadian. What they do behind closed doors though is their business..

[Guest American Woman]

Immigrants form ethnic ghettos and want us to accomadate them.... thats what I mean is the problem. In my opinion they should drop their cultural baggage at the doors and become a Canadian. What they do behind closed doors though is their business..

Accomadate them how? That's what I'm asking. What "cultural baggage" are you referring to?

[Topaz]

I'll tell you mine and then you guys can tell me were I'm wrong. First, you obey ALL Canadian laws. When you come here , you either have to have a job to support yourself OR you have someone to sponsor you, meaning paying for your way until you find a job. Once you become a Canandian citizen you have all the advantages as anyone. You should be able to speak English or French or how else are you going to communicate with other people? Religion is your own unless of course you are creating a problem that will go against Canadian laws, such as hate, racism, etc. Now the only problems I see is when religion becomes before or aftere Canandian law. For example, the RMCP and the headpiece that some group wear, or when voting, do or don't women of certain group show their faces?

[August1991]

We shouldn't be providing taxpayer money to promote the differences or to keep them apart.

Maybe we shouldn't be spending taxpayer money on "culture" at all.

The federal government spent $3.5 billion on culture in 2003/04, up 2.2% from the year before. The provinces and territories spent $2.2 billion, up 4.3%, while municipal allocations amounted to just over $2.0 billion, up 7.1%.

Statcan

There is something unnerving that so much of what passes for culture in Canada turns out to be a government subsidized endeavour. I might feel more comfortable with provincial or municipal subidies than federal subsidies. I guess the $3.5 billion federal subsidy includes the $1 billion to the CBC.

[daniel]

Option #1 and #4 are actually the same.

Why would anybody in his right mind even entertain such a poll?

[cybercoma]

According to the second and third options say immigrants should speak english, does that mean french speaking Canadians should assimilate?

The question of "who's culture is Canadian culture" is a relevant one that needs answering.

Edited February 11, 2008 by cybercoma

[Leafless]

According to the second and third options say immigrants should speak english, does that mean french speaking Canadians should assimilate?

And this is why the country is culturally dysfunctional as is its government.

[xul]

I'll tell you mine and then you guys can tell me were I'm wrong. First,

I'm not sure I'm the representative of "your guys", but it seems I'm the only guy fit for these under the post here. So, I like to discuss the issue with you.

you obey ALL Canadian laws.

This is absolutely correct. If a Canadian visits some Arabian country, I guess he also need to obey Islamic laws, such as hood his wife and daughters. Only a diplomat could "out law" while living in a foreign country.

When you come here , you either have to have a job to support yourself OR you have someone to sponsor you, meaning paying for your way until you find a job. Once you become a Canandian citizen you have all the advantages as anyone. You should be able to speak English or French or how else are you going to communicate with other people?

Mostly but not absolutely right.

Immigrants allowed to immigrate Canada include several categories. Most immigrant case belong to skill workers. Applying this category applicant must educated, reach a certain English/French level and have many years working experience, and there is a age limits to limit a person who is too young or too old to apply. CIC calculates all factors by a score system. Only the one who could get a certain score beyond CIC criteria would allow to immigrate Canada. Immigrants also are asked to have enough money in bank to support their first half year living in Canada. Now the money requested is about $10,000 a family, according how many people the family has.

Some immigrants come as investors. This category does not request English/French and Education but assets. Usually the investors are asked to invest a certain amount of asset (usually several hundreds thousand to several million dollars, according the Canada local governments) in a certain region.

Some immigrants come sponsored by their parent or children who are immigrants or Canadian lived in Canada. Usually the sponsor was asked to have enough income to support the person who was sponsored.

Some "immigrants" accurately are refugees. Some of them are real refugees who need help. Some of them just are illegal immigrants who were covered as refugees by their refugees lawers. These lawyers makes up a lot of vivid storys for their clients such as they are forced to take part in Communist Party (impossible, in China, being a Communist is the first step to be a corrupt government offical and a lot of pleasant want but can not join CPChina because, use the actor's line in the movie Star War, "their skill do not fit for the use of darkside." )

So, speaking English/French is not absolutely necessary to every immigrant. If there is a rich guy who have enough money to support his family, Canada government do not ask him to speak English or French because he does not need work or as a investor, he can hire a manager who can speak his lauguage to take care of his business.

In my opinion, Canada immigration policy has some problem.

1. The criteria of money request for skill workers seems to be decided in 1970s, it is not fit today's Canadian living cost. These money only can support a family 2 or 3 month in Canada city and I doubt even a pure blood British specialist could find a job in Canada in such short time. This is one cause there are a lot of skill works doing unskilled job.

2. The family members(spouse and children) do not request English/French. This is why there are a lot of immigrants could not speak official language well.

3. To investors, if his assets is not high enough to hire a manager to care his business, he will have problem to run his business while he could not speak English or French well.

4. To those madeup refugees, I almost could have no willing to say anything to Canadian. This guys, if they are Chinese, some of them are corrupt communist government officals and most of Chinese believe Canada judge refugee them for this guys brought billions dollars of money to Canada. Some of them are poor peasant but they are not poor enough to be a real refugee, or have enough education to fit skill works. So they pay illegal immigrant traffickers and Canada refugee lawyers about several tens thousand dollars to buy a refugee identity.

Religion is your own unless of course you are creating a problem that will go against Canadian laws, such as hate, racism, etc. Now the only problems I see is when religion becomes before or aftere Canandian law. For example, the RMCP and the headpiece that some group wear, or when voting, do or don't women of certain group show their faces?

I'm an engineer and I believe in science. I guess anyone here may see which kind of people strolled about the verge of hate, racism, fundamentalism if he or she treat everyone fair and equal. The only words I can say to this guys is cling on the ways of hatred, racism and fundamentalism is not good to others, to nation, especially to themselves. They could not use these trashes to change any bit of world but only can make them indulge in a daydream far apart from reality.

Edited February 11, 2008 by xul

[scribblet]

In what ways is tax money being use to promote differences and keep them apart?

Canada has an official Multicult. policy, the gov't provides funding towards this, e.g. heritage languages, support to multicultural councils, and ethnic programs. IMO only serves to be divisive and accentuates the differences thus fragmenting society and besides, why should taxpayers pay people to be different.

What we should be doing is stressing what we are as a cohesive Canadian unit instead of funding ghettoization (if that's a word).