Barack Hussein Obama

[Leafless]

Okay, why do you (mistakenly since they arent) dislike minorities who are just itching (they arent) to take over our country (and they arent)

Why...why ...why?

We would all love an answer.

I do not dislike minorities but am simply stating a fact based on the actions of Quebec and based on the fact if foreign minorities are politically dormant like you say, why are they so politically active under the stripes of their foreign culture, like the Muslims are in Toronto for instance?

Why should we have other foreign cultures proudly displaying their stripes when Canadian culture is decaying by the roadside due to lack of support and the fact other cultures are overwhelming taking for granted what Canada is all about culturally.

[GostHacked]

I do not dislike minorities but am simply stating a fact based on the actions of Quebec and based on the fact if foreign minorities are politically dormant like you say, why are they so politically active under the stripes of their foreign culture, like the Muslims are in Toronto for instance?

Why should we have other foreign cultures proudly displaying their stripes when Canadian culture is decaying by the roadside due to lack of support and the fact other cultures are overwhelming taking for granted what Canada is all about culturally.

Oh FFS Leafless. Quebec has shown their political agenda for decades. Or have you been asleep, or too focused on Obama to even think or look into it.

I know wikipedia.org is not a fave site among many of you, however, it can shed some light on Obama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama

Born in Honalulu (U.S.)

Harvard graduate

Long time lawyer.

Seems like his religion is listed as CHRISTIAN.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300135,00.html

Baptized in Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ, Obama has been an active member for two decades, regularly attending services with his family under Wright's spiritual mentorship.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ml?hpid=topnews

Despite his denials, rumors and e-mails circulating on the Internet continue to allege that Obama (D-Ill.) is a Muslim, a "Muslim plant" in a conspiracy against America, and that, if elected president, he would take the oath of office using a Koran, rather than a Bible, as did Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), the only Muslim in Congress, when he was sworn in earlier this year.

So this thread can die now. Good job Leafless. Glad you know how to research stuff.

[Leafless]

Leafless

No one knows for certain. So anything you suposedly have on Obama is all not for certain. How about we focus on things that are certain, instead of making guesses and wild accusations. You are only hurting yourself and making yourself look like Chicken Little.

I am not making wild guesses and have posted why I feel that way, and again, WHY I FEEL THAT WAY, that I would not consider Obama a serious contender for the position of president of the U.S. in the same manner why I would never again consider a French Quebecer as PM of Canada, as it is my choice and base my choice on evidence I consider reasonable.

It is my choice and it is my right with reasons I consider valid.

He is black... and well, looks black to me. There is only one point I think you might be able to get Obama on is the citizenship. If he poses citizenship in any other country other than the US, he should not be allowed to run for president. I think this is the reason Ahnuld The Guvenatah, cannot run for President. If as a child, Obama was naturalized as a US citizen, then I am still not sure. This is the only technicality I can see that might have an issue, and I agree with you on that one.

My issue with that one is he is a Black African (his father supposedly a Moroccan-an Arab)associated if he is for certain also a citizen of Kenya, could present a conflict of interest concerning favouring a culture that Americans are currently fighting and dying for fighting terrorism.

Obama in my estimation just should not be running for president, period. There are to many unknowns.

But he is black, and seems to be proud to be black. Just like he might be proud to be human, or an American.

Being proud to be Black as a group in the U.S. is an anti-White statement and harbouring such a bias is nothing to be proud of and is what Blacks often accuse Whites of being, racist.

I am proud to be white, and I am proud of my german background. What does that make me??

A potential racist.

You might twist things if I run for President and call me a Nazi, for my Grandfather had fought for Nazi Germany back in WWII. So how do you view me after knowing all that?? Once a Nazi always a Nazi?

You could very well be viewed that and for the sake of your party if I were you I simply would not run for president.

Even by your logic since he was, my dad is automatically a Nazi, and I am one too?? How does this make sense to you or anyone?

Politically speaking and you admit that, it only generates an unwanted risk and one does not have to associate or support that person.

Once a Muslim always a Muslim? I will call this utter tripe.

Not possibly if you know your countryman are dying for the cause of fighting terrorism which in turn is partly responsible for a downturn in your own economy.

I will call it now as I have called it. If the next President is a Dem it will be Hillary, if it is a Rep, it will be McCain.

I agree.

[Leafless]

So this thread can die now. Good job Leafless. Glad you know how to research stuff.

To bad you believe in cosmetics and refuse to investigate what is beneath the surface especially pertaining to the position of president and still retain the name 'HUSSEIN'.

Talk about a derogatory insult towards the men and women battling terrorism in Iraq and who have died for their country.

Edited February 7, 2008 by Leafless

[Leafless]

Someone is actually obliged to pay him minimum wage! Oh the injustice of leftist policies. I'm sure Trudeau is somehow to blame for such coddling.

Anyone who agrees with words of a sniveling socialist moron like Bubber, is one himself.

[GostHacked]

Leafless

My issue with that one is he is a Black African (his father supposedly a Moroccan-an Arab)associated if he is for certain also a citizen of Kenya, could present a conflict of interest concerning favouring a culture that Americans are currently fighting and dying for fighting terrorism.

Wait what?? I thought you were bitching because his father was from Kenya. WTF does Morocca have to do with this? Grasping at straws now aren't you.

If Obama's father was an actual Kenyan citizen, which for everything I have looked at indicated he was a citizen of Kenya. So this is how you transfer this stupidity to Barak? Eventhough Barak is a natural (not naturalized) 100% born a citizen of the United States, and claims to be a Christian, you are still not satisfied with it. Based on all your opinions that are based on conjecture and rumours. You do not have a very informed opinion and this will hurt you in the long run.

QUOTE(GostHacked @ Feb 6 2008, 02:53 PM)

I am proud to be white, and I am proud of my german background. What does that make me??

......

A potential racist.

Wow dude, just frackin wow. So because my Opa fought for Nazi Germany in WWII, I should not run for office?? You realize this does not make any sense. Your logic is pretty flawed. And this is why you are dangerous when you speak. You do more harm by making ASSUMTIONS (You know assume?? We may have to revisit that Benny Hill skit of, when you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME.)

Unlike you I am not afraid of the Muslims. I am not even really worried about Christians, or Catholics, or hell, even Jews. But since my Opa fought for Nazi Germany, I am sure you can make up some tripe about me being an anti-semit or some other form of bullshit.

To bad you believe in cosmetics and refuse to investigate what is beneath the surface especially pertaining to the position of president and still retain the name 'HUSSEIN'.

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Hussein

The boy's name Hussein \hu(s)-sein\ is pronounced hoo-SAYN. It is of Arabic origin, and its meaning is "good; small handsome one". The name of a prominent person in Shiite Islam and a royal name in Jordan.

My first name is Christopher. go look into that.

The boy's name Christopher \ch-risto-pher, chr(is)-topher\ is pronounced KRIS-toh-fer. It is of Greek origin, and its meaning is "bearing Christ inside". From Khristophoros

Do your worst Leafless, because that is the best you will ever do.

What about those who are named Peter? David? or any other name in the Bible? Any stigmatism you can attach to those names? Or are they just good wholesome Christain names that have no double meaning at all?

Edit le.

Talk about a derogatory insult towards the men and women battling terrorism in Iraq and who have died for their country.

Good thing I never supported the war in Iraq. The insult is keeping them there and dying for a war/cause that has proven the origional 'evidence' as completely false and highly politicaly driven. So, to me, it is more of an insult to keep them there, and have more of those brave men and women dying for a lost cause.

Edited February 7, 2008 by GostHacked

[Leafless]

Leafless

Wow dude, just frackin wow. So because my Opa fought for Nazi Germany in WWII, I should not run for office?? You realize this does not make any sense. Your logic is pretty flawed. And this is why you are dangerous when you speak. You do more harm by making ASSUMTIONS (You know assume??

If your father fought for Nazi Germay in WW11, yes, it would lessen lessen your chances by a large degree of becoming president, especially in the U.S. where they are, (an unknown word to you), PATRIOTIC.

Unlike you I am not afraid of the Muslims.

I am not afraid of them either.

I simply think many of them do not support our ideologies, but love our freedom.

I don't trust them as a group.

Good thing I never supported the war in Iraq. The insult is keeping them there and dying for a war/cause that has proven the origional 'evidence' as completely false and highly politicaly driven. So, to me, it is more of an insult to keep them there, and have more of those brave men and women dying for a lost cause.

Do you not have a brain in your head that the invasion was necessary.

Are you aware the world was brought to almost a standstill relating to the airline industry after 9/11.

Look what they are doing to the Brits.

The Muslims have them petrified as to not to know what to do about that situation in that country.

France is even in worse shape.

[GostHacked]

Leafless, maybe you suffer from reading incomprehension.

If your father fought for Nazi Germay in WW11, yes, it would lessen lessen your chances by a large degree of becoming president, especially in the U.S. where they are, (an unknown word to you), PATRIOTIC.

I talked about my Grandfather, (Opa in german) not my father, who was born here in Canada, as I was. So again this will have a huge factor if I decide to run for some office?? And this makes me unpatriotic? Are you sure I have no clue as to what patriotic means? But patriotism in the US is different in its display compared to Canadian patriotism. As you have stated before what your nickname stands for. Leafless, that does not like Canada, cannot put trust in the flag, this is unpatriotic at it's finest, not to mention hypocracy. So again you seem to shoot yourself in the foot here.

I will also tell you that my Opa is going crazy. 80+ years, couple heart attacksm suffering from major dimentia now. He has always been a crab for the most part, something I am aware of and do not hold those qualities in my own person. Maybe it is cause he never really dealt with his trauma during the war.

And since you do not trust them Muslims as a group, you are afraid of what they can accomplish. So you are scared and afraid and acting exactly like how the powers that be want you to be.

And again, I never supported the war in Iraq.

WMDS !!!! wait none? ummm

CHEM/BIO!!!! ... wait, cannot find any? ummmm

THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS !!!!!!!!!! <------ killing me softly with laughter.

[Leafless]

Leafless, maybe you suffer from reading incomprehension.

I talked about my Grandfather, (Opa in german) not my father, who was born here in Canada, as I was. So again this will have a huge factor if I decide to run for some office??

That was a typo, I meant grandfather.

And, yes if you admitted that as part of your personal history, I fully believe the cards would be stacked against you.

And this makes me unpatriotic?

Makes you a risky choice as not only being unpatriotic but as being anti-American. I don't think many Americans would run for president admitting that his grandfather fought for Nazi Germany.

Are you sure I have no clue as to what patriotic means? But patriotism in the US is different in its display compared to Canadian patriotism.

My patriotism is the same as the U.S. here in Canada. You are off base with the other socialist here in Canada.

As you have stated before what your nickname stands for. Leafless, that does not like Canada, cannot put trust in the flag, this is unpatriotic at it's finest, not to mention hypocracy. So again you seem to shoot yourself in the foot here.

The loyalities I have left with the country are my own, and not an invention of the Liberals.

And since you do not trust them Muslims as a group, you are afraid of what they can accomplish. So you are scared and afraid and acting exactly like how the powers that be want you to be.

And again, I never supported the war in Iraq.

WMDS !!!! wait none? ummm

CHEM/BIO!!!! ... wait, cannot find any? ummmm

THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS !!!!!!!!!! <------ killing me softly with laughter.

Your crazy.

[GostHacked]

Alright Leafless.

Tell us something in your family background that might make others think of you as unpatriotic and therefor unfit to hold office.

What if I told you that my Opa had died when I was young, or even before I was born. Would you still consider me unfit to hold office because of that? Why would you hold that against me? Am I all of a sudden going to 180 on you and ,.,,,, wait ,.. Bush ....

Ahhnh yes.... Prescot Bush (George Bush's Grandfather) owned a bank that dealt directly with Nazi Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

But looky looky ,,,, who has been the Pres of the US for the last 8 years? OH and he was not the only Bush in office. ..... your logic is flawed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush...ion_controversy

On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of German banking operations in New York City. Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing Bush's property under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

Eventhough Prescott was not a Nazi himslef, he was dealing with them in regards to money and financing. SO with my Opa actually being a part of Nazi Germany, would help me get into office.

Even if it was not true, and just a freakin rumour, looks like it did not stop him from getting elected.

[Leafless]

Alright Leafless.

Tell us something in your family background that might make others think of you as unpatriotic and therefor unfit to hold office.

GostHacked!

Maybe you would be best to take an emotional 'time out'.

Your questions do not even make sense.

Perhaps you would be better off opening your own thread in 'ethics and morals'.

[GostHacked]

GostHacked!

Maybe you would be best to take an emotional 'time out'.

Your questions do not even make sense.

Perhaps you would be better off opening your own thread in 'ethics and morals'.

Well, you are really questioning Barak Obama's ethics and morals and even his loyalties. His ethics as a black man, his morals as a Muslim, and his loyalties to the US?

[Leafless]

Well, you are really questioning Barak Obama's ethics and morals and even his loyalties. His ethics as a black man, his morals as a Muslim, and his loyalties to the US?

I have that right.

He is running for president of the U.S. I am not.

And that is the major difference.

U.S. interest are Canada's interest to a large degree and besides he has little political experience.

[GostHacked]

I have that right.

He is running for president of the U.S. I am not.

And that is the major difference.

U.S. interest are Canada's interest to a large degree and besides he has little political experience.

I am not saying you do not have the right, I am just pointing out that your views are wrong and dangerous (which is my right).

And well, his limited time in the political arena to me (and here I will agree with you) is that, he is new to the game and that will play a factor in Barak's chances at the white house.

[Leafless]

I am not saying you do not have the right, I am just pointing out that your views are wrong and dangerous (which is my right).

No it is not your right, I am not running for president of the U.S.

You are unpatriotic in not recognizing that you are inadvertanly or knowingly trying to suppress free speech by ways of launching a personal attack to try to intimidate and ridicule a fellow member of this forum.

Take a hike GostHacked!

[GostHacked]

No it is not your right, I am not running for president of the U.S.

I am not running for president either, but that did not stop you from speculating that I may be a racist and unpatriotic based on a somewhat hypothetical situation.

You are unpatriotic in not recognizing that you are inadvertanly or knowingly trying to suppress free speech by ways of launching a personal attack to try to intimidate and ridicule a fellow member of this forum.

Not oppressing at all. I am stating my view which is only accountable to me. I won't stop you from saying what you want, I will however point out what I see wrong with your views, as you have let me know what you think of my views.

This is true freedom my friend. Enjoy it.

Take a hike GostHacked!

Calling me crazy, one might see and take that as a personal attack. But for you I won't. For I am learning something in this thread. If you want, you should just report me to the mods. Also, I don't take hikes, athritis has really kicked into one of my legs that I broke as a kid causeing me a great amount of pain these days.

So, let's drop the fist-to-cuffs, pull up a chair and continue this discussion on Obama the Alleged Muslim.

[Leafless]

I am not running for president either, but that did not stop you from speculating that I may be a racist and unpatriotic based on a somewhat hypothetical situation.

The situation is not hypothical, you think it is your right to censor free speech.

Not oppressing at all. I am stating my view which is only accountable to me.

Well you have stated your twisted views, whereas you are unable to comprehend that there is a difference between my criticism towards someone running for the president of the U.S. being a concerned Canadian citizen.

According to you I don't have that right.

This is an outright attempt, by you, to censor free speech especially with your dictatorial statement in post #89 where you said: "Your views are wrong and dangerous".

Who exactly do you think you are?

If you think my views are wrong and dangerous----report me!

I won't stop you from saying what you want, I will however point out what I see wrong with your views, as you have let me know what you think of my views.

This is where your logic is twisted.

My views are directed at Obama.

Your views are directed personally at me and also telling me that I must respond to your views.

I will say it again, go a take a hike and bother someone else.

[GostHacked]

I am in no way censoring you here, I am telling you that the way I see it, your logic within this thread is flawed and potentialy dangerous. The hypothetical scenario was me running for President of the US. With the actual facts of my Opa having fought in WWII for Nazi Germany and how that others may see that as a possible problem in regards to my loyalties to the United States first and foremost as President. I am a Canadian, so this at this stage will not happen. I don't mean to insult you but at least have some forward though in how all this would play out.

Obama seems to be faced with a scenario of his father being a Muslim, and therefore Obama is automaticaly a muslim and could be a problem in regards to his loyalties to the United States first and foremost. To tell you the truth, I think all of the candidates will tell you anything to get elected. Most of them are lying through their teeth. But I digress. But as it turns out, Obama is a baptized Christian and a natural citizen of the US, born in Hawaii. It happens to be a black Christian church he attends, cause I guess mostly blacks go there. I hang out with mostly white people. Well cause most of my friends are white. Birds of a feather flock together??

You bring up the question of his citizenship. What if (now that's if this case exists) he gives up the dual citizenship and only touts the US citizenship? Would you feel more comfortable with that? What if he tells you he is a devout christian and not a muslim, which I think he has stated this.

Here is a question.

Why put on a ruse of being a Christian when underneath he might be Muslim and by your rhetoric Leafless, he is more of a danger to the US as President than Osama Bin Laden is as a terrorist? Putting on the ruse for political gain would be considered very bad and, I think those hardcore islamic fundamentalists, not to mention citizens of his own country. would want to put a target on Obama. "HAHA jokes on you, I am actually a Muslim HAHAH .........*gunshot*" The end result is dangerous, the US would have a freakin heart attack that one more President gets assassinated. Pulled the fast one. Do you really think that anyone in the US would tolerate a President who is a devoute muslim? I really do not think so. The chrisitans and the catholics dominate that specrtum with it seems the Mormons backing them up.

I'd personaly like to see religion dropped from the political arena and see what kind of leg these idiots have to stand on.

But like Bush_cheney2004 always says, we are just Canucks that don't have a voice in squat in the views of the eyes of the US.

[Leafless]

I am in no way censoring you here, I am telling you that the way I see it, your logic within this thread is flawed and potentialy dangerous. The hypothetical scenario was me running for President of the US. With the actual facts of my Opa having fought in WWII for Nazi Germany and how that others may see that as a possible problem in regards to my loyalties to the United States first and foremost as President. I am a Canadian, so this at this stage will not happen. I don't mean to insult you but at least have some forward though in how all this would play out.

I already told you, I highly suspect the cards would be stacked against if you admitted that your grandfather fought in World War II for Nazi Germany and you were running for president of the U.S.

But lets get real nobody really cares about you or your grandfather in a hypothetical situation as you described.

It is obvious from my perspective you are trying to extract a racist hit so you can turn around and claim I am racist against Blacks.

Grow up, as I have posted all info. as to why I think Obama could create a conflict of interest scenario for himself, including his religious Black racial agenda with his religious affiliation with Trinity church.

I am discontinuing this debate with you as you have your own cultural agenda and is obvious you are NOT debating in good faith.

Edited February 9, 2008 by Leafless

[guyser]

It is obvious from my perspective you are trying to extract a racist hit so you can turn around and claim I am racist against Blacks.

Well, I am not going to call you racist against blacks. Others might though.

But I can tell you, with certainty, that you are heavily biased against minorities, muslims,& blacks. Your own words throughtout MLW prove this.

No one needs to turn this around on you. It is there for all to see. You openly dismiss Obama since you feel he is A ) a muslim , and B ) black. But you are also all over the map on this. First you think he is a muslim worshipper and you doubt his sincerity in being Christian, then when most here say he attends a christian church,you are off on a tangent about it being militant church out to harm the USA.

You pontificate that he harbours a secret agenda with his religion, when he has been nothing but forthright about it. He seems to be able to talk about it, but not you. You like to couch it in terms of agenda, and security risk and so on. Sharia Law...as if that has anything to do with Obama and the pres election. If you think it does, then you are woefully underestimating the US electorate.

All this wishy washy posting of yours seems to be thinly vieled bias against the man for two things, being black, and being born to a muslim father. Unless you are about to embark on a diatribe against Mitt Romney for his uber religious beliefs then the bias continues.In fact, you do it again...

Grow up, as I have posted all info. as to why I think Obama could create a conflict of interest scenario for himself, including his religious Black racial agenda with his religious affiliation with Trinity church.

So now he is a member of Trinity church, or is he still a devotee (albeit hidden) of the muslim church.

I guess no current or former white Presidential hopeful has ever tried to get white vote in white enclaves in America. When Clinton/Gore/McCain/Romney/Reagan/Carter/Bush2/Perot/McGovern were politicking in Vermont or New Hampshire , they werent doing the same?

I am discontinuing this debate with you as you have your own cultural agenda and is obvious you are NOT debating in good faith.

Here is good faith for you.

Dont like....or believe (faith?)

French.

Minorities should not be allowed to run.

Blacks.

Muslims.

Gays.

Ah what the heck, if it aint White, you dont like it. What would YOU call that?

[Leafless]

Well, I am not going to call you racist against blacks. Others might though.

I don't think so.

Any one who does will be banned.

It is against forum rules.

But I can tell you, with certainty, that you are heavily biased against minorities, muslims,& blacks. Your own words throughtout MLW prove this.

I initiate my threads on genuine media articles, unlike you who hardly ever, if never, initiates a thread of your own but rather make it a habit to continually attack others, mainly on the bases of culture, being the great defender of your perceived poor defenceless minorties who in your mind are incapable and can't speak for themselves.

You are the one that is preoccupied with culture and intolerant of others especially those who are White and Christian.

No one needs to turn this around on you. It is there for all to see. You openly dismiss Obama since you feel he is A ) a muslim , and B ) black. But you are also all over the map on this. First you think he is a muslim worshipper and you doubt his sincerity in being Christian, then when most here say he attends a christian church,you are off on a tangent about it being militant church out to harm the USA.

You pontificate that he harbours a secret agenda with his religion, when he has been nothing but forthright about it. He seems to be able to talk about it, but not you. You like to couch it in terms of agenda, and security risk and so on. Sharia Law...as if that has anything to do with Obama and the pres election.

Yep, it's all there for everyone to see and how you distort what was actually posted.

You are a genuine troll and an evil person.

If you think it does, then you are woefully underestimating the US electorate.

The U.S electorate are desperate, confused and torn between a costly 'war on terror' and a decline in the U.S. economy which basically is due to a greedy corporate America and the global economy.

All I would like to know is what is all this 'great change' Obama continually boasts about especially when he supported funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the tune of $124.2 Billion dollars, 4/26/07-Vote 147: HR1591

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congres...0167/key-votes/

All this wishy washy posting of yours seems to be thinly vieled bias against the man for two things, being black, and being born to a muslim father. Unless you are about to embark on a diatribe against Mitt Romney for his uber religious beliefs then the bias continues.In fact, you do it again...

So now he is a member of Trinity church, or is he still a devotee (albeit hidden) of the muslim church.

Distorting the facts again won't help your twisted intolerant views.

It's all there for anyone who wants to see how biased and how much of a troubled troll you really are.

I guess no current or former white Presidential hopeful has ever tried to get white vote in white enclaves in America. When Clinton/Gore/McCain/Romney/Reagan/Carter/Bush2/Perot/McGovern were politicking in Vermont or New Hampshire , they werent doing the same?

Haven't got a clue what your talking about.

Here is good faith for you.

Dont like....or believe (faith?)

French.

Minorities should not be allowed to run.

Blacks.

Muslims.

Gays.

What does posting in good faith have to do with cultures who voluntarily segregate themselves into separate cultural groups with the blessings of the federal government rather than simply refer to everyone as Canadians.

This is VERY DIVISIVE, the willfull segregation of Canadians into cultural groups.

Ah what the heck, if it aint White, you dont like it. What would YOU call that?

That is your line, NOT MINE!

Now run along a be a good girl.

[GostHacked]

Leafless

I am discontinuing this debate with you as you have your own cultural agenda and is obvious you are NOT debating in good faith.

But then

What does posting in good faith have to do with cultures who voluntarily segregate themselves into separate cultural groups with the blessings of the federal government rather than simply refer to everyone as Canadians.

Glad you are consistant.

Any one who does will be banned.

It is against forum rules.

Is calling me a potential racist against forums rules??

I initiate my threads on genuine media articles

Eventhought this was not directed at me, I did however post some articles from news sources that clearly denounce the Muslim angle..

he U.S electorate are desperate, confused and torn between a costly 'war on terror' and a decline in the U.S. economy which basically is due to a greedy corporate America and the global economy.

All I would like to know is what is all this 'great change' Obama continually boasts about especially when he supported funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the tune of $124.2 Billion dollars, 4/26/07-Vote 147: HR1591

I agree with you here about corporate american greed. But before in this thread you complained that I was insulting those brave men and women overseas fighting for us because I do not support the war. Obama supported the war and you are complaining about it? I don't get it leafless.

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Now from your first post in this thread, His choice to tout the black line is his to choose. I'd rather see the term Black being used more often than African-American. Trust me, talk to some black folk, they really do not like Africa-American, or the term coloured. But calling them black, they have no problem with it. I boarded in a black man's house for some time, he was from the St. Lucia in the Carribean. I did not call him a Caribean-Canadian, ... I called him black.

I am a half mix of German and English(UK) but for whatever reason, I choose to tout the german anestry for the fact my german grandparents had a lot more exposure and influence on my life because they lived so close to my house. I would see them 4times as much as my english grandparents. But again I digress.

So this is probably why Obama chose to be black, when in fact he is a mix race man. White and Black. So if he goes either way, some are going to spot that and point it out that he is forgetting the other half. Yes it is political, tell me one politician who is not doing this for political gain?

And reading some of the comments on those articles you have posted, like from

http://myrtus.typepad.com/myrtus/2008/01/c...e-of-relig.html are bang on. The artlce is a opinionated piece on the Muslim religion as a whole and does not take into account other things in Baraks life.

Once possibly born to a Muslim father who has only limited influence on his life (like the article says his father left when he was two years old, not enough time to make a big difference in regards to shaping Obamas religion. And again the Madrassa thing has been clearly debunked by more news sources than the number of news sources that are still claiming his Muslimship.

Now about your concern about minorty groups and how they screw the rest of the country. You know that Canada has always had a long history of french and english. And during the early years of this nation it was a fairly mixed back. Many Europeans came to Canada. But it was at the start dominated by french and english. Upper and Lower Canada at that time. Not to mention that it was a French man who essentially named this country. But I digress again.

Let me take a break and come back to this, I need to think some more on this.

[GostHacked]

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/401/index.html watch the video on Dirty Politics

[Topaz]

When I first Obama talk he was Oprah show months before he decided to run for president. I found him very intelligent person and very caring about his country and the way its was going. Voters in the US were sick of Clinton and voted in Bush, because he was the only other choice. He has no experience in government except being governor of Tx and leaving in debt. Surprised ? no. He likes spending other people's money. I hate to see Clinton back in the W.H. because I don't trust them and their connection to the Bush family. I hate to see Obama win if it means someone would take him out because he's black Muslim and so that leaves perhaps McCain, which seems to be a red Tory and the Republicans don't like that. WHO ever gets in will have a very tough time with the war and with the debt and that's were people have to makeup their minds who can do the best thing there. Not the colour or religion of the person, who actually has a common-sense way of governing the country.

[BubberMiley]

Any one who does will be banned.

It is against forum rules.

I believe the rules prohibit name-calling (i.e., you are a racist). But there is no rule against identifying particular philosophies, such as the philosophy that individuals of a certain race should be prohibited from taking part in the democratic process, as racist philosophies. And that is a racist philosophy in its purest form.

BTW, what are the forum rules about threatening to kick someone in the head, as you did earlier this week? I notice the thread got removed, likely because such threats are illegal. Why are you still here?

Edited February 10, 2008 by BubberMiley