guyser Posted June 24, 2008 Report Posted June 24, 2008 In the federal public service Francophones can refuse the holiday 'Victoria Day', May 21 and rather celebrate 'St.Jean Baptiste Day', June 24, There is only one Canada, not two. Happy? And I can tell you that a Quebec maple syrup company's employees (primarily Quebecois) voted to get Canada Day off (making it a 4 day weekend) in lieu of St J de B day off. Granted it is not fed employees, but the point stands. And yes, you are correct in that there is one Canada. Two languages and two founding peoples but you are correct. Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 (edited) Tiu know what? For a while I was just ignoring you, but I realize now I was denying myself a good source of comedic entertainment. Like the following I observe you have no problem flaunting your freedoms associated with the country of Canada (...) and we know how much of a dirty word freedom it is to you but have a preference for dictating racially discriminatory minority Quebec type language laws in the province of Ontario. Now, we know that your hatred goes hand in hand with delusion, but let's not be confused here. YOU are the one who would welcome laws banning languages other than your own. YOU are the one who even have issues with the language people choose to speak in their own home. YOU are the one who favour discrimination. And most importantly, the bunch of linguistic zealots you belong to is a minority in Ontario. Most English-speaking Ontarians have better things to do with their time. Edited June 25, 2008 by CANADIEN Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 In the federal public service Francophones can refuse the holiday 'Victoria Day', May 21 and rather celebrate 'St.Jean Baptiste Day', June 24, which was not one day celebration as with Victoria Day, but a four day celebration in Gatineau, Quebec, all primarily supported with federal money. I was simply wishing him a belated happy Victoria Day which in federal type talk is the same holiday as St. Jean Baptiste Day. Power that cart a little faster--o.k. I think it is a national disgrace to allow federally employed Francophones a choice in refusing to celebrate Victoria Day, like all other federally employed Canadians, and instead be allowed to celebrate St. Jean Baptiste Day. There is only one Canada, not two. Happy? Don't worry. I will not call your display of crass ignorance a disgrace. I'll call it an embarrassment (to yourself) and a joke. Federal civil servants get 11 statotory holidays: New Year's Day, Good Friday, Easter Monday, Victoria Day (a provincial statottory holiday in all Provinces as well), Canada Day, Labour Day, Thanksgiving, Remembrance Day, Christmas and the Day following Christmas... Yes, that's ten. The eleventh day is what ever is celabrated as a provincial civic holiday in the province where a given civil servant works (St.-Jean-Baptiste Day in Quebec, the first Monday in August in most other provinces). It is my understanding that ALL civil servants in the Ottawa and Gatineau area can choose between St-Jean_Baptiste Day and the Ontario civic holidays. Francophone civil servants elsewhere in the country get what ever day is a civic holiday in their province. No civil servant gets the option to choose between Victoria Day and any other day of the year (except those in some very specific fiels that require a staff presence every day of the year, border crossings come to mind). Quote
capricorn Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 It is my understanding that ALL civil servants in the Ottawa and Gatineau area can choose between St-Jean_Baptiste Day and the Ontario civic holidays. Francophone civil servants elsewhere in the country get what ever day is a civic holiday in their province. No civil servant gets the option to choose between Victoria Day and any other day of the year (except those in some very specific fiels that require a staff presence every day of the year, border crossings come to mind). That's exactly how it works. Kinda hard for a public servant to go to work when all federal offices are closed. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Leafless Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Posted June 25, 2008 That's exactly how it works. Kinda hard for a public servant to go to work when all federal offices are closed. There is no choosing in Quebec. Quebec federal public servants get both Victoria Day and St.Jean Baptiste Day holidays. Quote
Leafless Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Posted June 25, 2008 Tiu know what? For a while I was just ignoring you, but I realize now I was denying myself a good source of comedic entertainment. Like the following and we know how much of a dirty word freedom it is to you Now that is a condescending statement if I ever heard one. Tell me what the purpose of language sign laws are again? Now, we know that your hatred goes hand in hand with delusion, but let's not be confused here. YOU are the one who would welcome laws banning languages other than your own. Why should I not be in favour of banning foreign languages that interfere with the working language of Ontario? States in the U.S. do it to preserve the English working language and common language of communication. YOU are the one who even have issues with the language people choose to speak in their own home. YOU are the one who favour discrimination. A total lie. I gave a reason why it would help not to. And most importantly, the bunch of linguistic zealots you belong to is a minority in Ontario. Most English-speaking Ontarians have better things to do with their time. You have no proof of that. I can't remember a referendum on that issue. Can you? Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 There is no choosing in Quebec. Quebec federal public servants get both Victoria Day and St.Jean Baptiste Day holidays. And federal civil servants in Alberta, BC, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Nunavut, Ontario, PEI, Saskatchewan and Yukon get both Victoria Day and the first Monday of August. Federal civil servants in Newfoundland and the Northwest Territories get Victoria Day and another. And unlike what you previously claimed, Francophone civil servants DO NOT get to take either Victoria Day or Saint-Jean-Baptiste Day. Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 Now that is a condescending statement if I ever heard one. Condescending is actually the nicest form of response to the m*nure you post. Tell me what the purpose of language sign laws are again? You should know. You're the one clamouring for them, not me. Why should I not be in favour of banning foreign languages that interfere with the working language of Ontario? Leaving a side the two absurd notions contained in this statement --- that French is a foreign language in Canada, and that private conversations in languages other than English interfere with English... Yet another proof that YOU, not I, are clamouring for language laws. You have no proof of that. I don't see many people running to your defense. And I don't see many politicians, commentators, or even ordinary citizens clamouring that we need to ban languages other than English. Proof enough. Quote
guyser Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 There is no choosing in Quebec. Quebec federal public servants get both Victoria Day and St.Jean Baptiste Day holidays. La dee dum dah day....you say that above , but yesterday it was........ In the federal public service Francophones can refuse the holiday 'Victoria Day', May 21 and rather celebrate 'St.Jean Baptiste Day', June 24, I wear flip flops. You speak it. Quote
guyser Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 Why should I not be in favour of banning foreign languages that interfere with the working language of Ontario? States in the U.S. do it to preserve the English working language and common language of communication. Here is why you should not favour banning foreign languages , because they dont interfere with the working language of Ontario. Really simple isnt it? I make money having my secretary speak Mandarin to some of my Chinese clients. CAn they speak English? Sure, but when we (or rather her) are discussing the ramifications of a claim, or payment etc, it eases the client and I make more moolah. Same goes when I get Italian , Russian or Hebrew clients. I can accommodate them all. At the end of the call, Im happy, the client is happy and I accept the cheque with glee. Now if you want to pass up money to satisfy some dumbfounded and misaligned rational reasoning, be my guest. Remeber, the universal language is money. Everyone understands it, pretty much everyone...present company aside, wants it. It aint hard leafless. Not one state in the USA bans languages other than english. It makes for a nice sentiment and it relaxes you, however it is patently false. Man, you would have an MI if your neighbourhood school conducted lessons in Spanish as some districts do in the US. ...or Koreatowns that all signs are in , what else, Korean. Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 Here is why you should not favour banning foreign languages , because they dont interfere with the working language of Ontario. Really simple isnt it? I make money having my secretary speak Mandarin to some of my Chinese clients. CAn they speak English? Sure, but when we (or rather her) are discussing the ramifications of a claim, or payment etc, it eases the client and I make more moolah. Same goes when I get Italian , Russian or Hebrew clients. I can accommodate them all. At the end of the call, Im happy, the client is happy and I accept the cheque with glee. Now if you want to pass up money to satisfy some dumbfounded and misaligned rational reasoning, be my guest. Remeber, the universal language is money. Everyone understands it, pretty much everyone...present company aside, wants it. It aint hard leafless. Not one state in the USA bans languages other than english. It makes for a nice sentiment and it relaxes you, however it is patently false. Man, you would have an MI if your neighbourhood school conducted lessons in Spanish as some districts do in the US. ...or Koreatowns that all signs are in , what else, Korean. Some American states have made English their official languages and have mandated that it be the main, of not the sole language of delivery of public service and the education system... So far, the only jurisdiction in North America that has paased legislation mandating the language of internal communications in private workplaces is.... Quebec. For someone who hates Quebec's language laws, Leafless looks pretty keen on adopting some of their worst features. Quote
guyser Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 Some American states have made English their official languages and have mandated that it be the main, of not the sole language of delivery of public service and the education system Understood, but none have "banned" any other language. And all States offer an alternative language source since they have to reach 60million spanish speaking residents. Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 Understood, but none have "banned" any other language. And all States offer an alternative language source since they have to reach 60million spanish speaking residents. One example: Idaho passed a law in 2007 making English the State's sole official language. State government's communications and services are to be in English only except when required for health services, law enforcement, tourism promotion, and some education related purposes. Of course, the law doesn't ban any language, nor does it say anything about the internal languages of private workplaces. Quote
Leafless Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Posted June 25, 2008 (edited) Condescending is actually the nicest form of response to the m*nure you post.You should know. You're the one clamouring for them, not me. I might be protesting AGAINST legislating a foreign language but other than that, I have no idea what you are talking about. Leaving a side the two absurd notions contained in this statement --- that French is a foreign language in Canada, In Ontario, YES, it is a foreign language as there is no provincial official policy to support the French language throughout the province. and that private conversations in languages other than English interfere with English... Please quote where I said that. I don't see many people running to your defense. And I don't see many people running to your defense, outside of the usual socialist members of this forum. We would see a lot of response if this forum were located in Ottawa, Ontario. And I don't see many politicians, commentators, or even ordinary citizens clamouring that we need to ban languages other than English. Proof enough. Check out Quebec where they have banned English as the language of commerce and placed undemocratic restrictions on its usage. You should know by now language is a restricted topic outside of forums like this one. English speakers in Ontario and other provinces are ignored by the press and their own provincial government relating to language complaints. The reason for this is because language, especially bilingualism, is a federally promoted socialist movement and the press won't voluntarily intervene unless it is a necessary news item like in Russell, Ont. Povincial premiers, politicians will not react especially if they are Liberal friendly and others are afraid to react for fear of federal retribution. Members of the press like teachers are federal pets, unionized, and do not want their little kingdom disturbed that could help destroy unions if socialist agendas are ganged up on. This is especially true if the press exposes and promotes federal linguistic corruption and anti-federal linguistic sentiments. Corrupt politics is the name of the game and majority English speakers if they have the democratic perseverance could quickly rectify the situation caused by a dysfunctional federal government. Edited June 25, 2008 by Leafless Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 I might be protesting AGAINST legislating a foreign language but other than that, I have no idea what you are talking about. You have no idea, we know that. And nice try attempting to deny that you spend your time clamouring for laws restricting the use of English. In Ontario, YES, it is a foreign language as there is no provincial official policy to support the French language throughout the province. Sorry to burst your bubble, but French is a Canadian language, not a foreign one. BTW, ever heard of the French Language Act. You can (and will) rant againt it, but you cannot say it does not exist. Please quote where I said that. Let's see. You are in favour of banning languages other than English. You have a problem with languages other than English being used in guyser's private workplace. You even have a problem with what languages people speak in the privacy of their home. It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it smells like a duck... It's a duck. We would see a lot of response if this forum were located in Ottawa, Ontario. I did not know that the physical location of the server to a forum affected who is capable of accessing it. Check out Quebec where they have banned English as the language of commerce (...) Actually, they have limited it, a lot, too much, but they have not banned it. While YOU are in favour of banning languages other than English. (...) and placed undemocratic restrictions on its usage. Like the one you would like to be placed oon languages other than English. It is because I've check out Quebec's language laws that I think they're a pile of m*nure and I see you propose the same kind of stuff. The reason for this is because language, especially bilingualism, is a federally promoted socialist movement Language is... language Before trying to impose English on others, learn it. Quote
guyser Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 One example: Idaho passed a law in 2007 making English the State's sole official language. State government's communications and services are to be in English only except when required for health services, law enforcement, tourism promotion, and some education related purposes. Of course, the law doesn't ban any language, nor does it say anything about the internal languages of private workplaces. I lived just northwest of Idaho, near Coeur D'alene, and trust me, no one would complain about the sole language issue. The whole town if not the state, should have been renamed Wonder Bread.(1979-1980) Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 25, 2008 Report Posted June 25, 2008 I lived just northwest of Idaho, near Coeur D'alene, and trust me, no one would complain about the sole language issue.The whole town if not the state, should have been renamed Wonder Bread.(1979-1980) Wonder Bread They still paased the law, but the main point is... I am afraid that Leafless will have a hard time finding examples of laws banning languages other than English in the US. Quote
Leafless Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Posted June 25, 2008 (edited) Sorry to burst your bubble, but French is a Canadian language, not a foreign one. BTW, ever heard of the French Language Act. You can (and will) rant againt it, but you cannot say it does not exist. In Ontario French has no status other than being UNDEMOCRATICALLY IMPOSED on the majority English speaking residents of Ontario in cities by way of a bilingual policy as in Ottawa, Ontario and through imposed sign legislation (forcing the French language on commercial signs) relating to private commercial signs in towns or townships of Russell, Ont, The Nation Ont., Casselman Ont. and Clarence /Rockland Ont. How Ontario Premier Dalton Mc.Guinty can allow this legislated sign by-laws in the province of Ontario that is not an 'officially bilingual province demonstrates his contempt for the English language. If Ontarians DO NOT want to preserve English language jobs in Ontario, vote Liberal and Dalton will, I am certain try his hardest to accommodate you. Let's see. You are in favour of banning languages other than English. You have a problem with languages other than English being used in guyser's private workplace. You even have a problem with what languages people speak in the privacy of their home. It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it smells like a duck... It's a duck. You are a being smart ass and this forum is no place to accommodate your immature comments. I did not know that the physical location of the server to a forum affected who is capable of accessing it. It doesn't, but if relatively few people know about it, location does have an impact. Actually, they have limited it, a lot, too much, but they have not banned it. While YOU are in favour of banning languages other than English.Like the one you would like to be placed oon languages other than English. Your understanding of a de facto majority working language shows outright contempt for English speaking residents of Ontario. Are you related to Premier Dalton Mc.Guinty? It is because I've check out Quebec's language laws that I think they're a pile of m*nure and I see you propose the same kind of stuff. I think you are a liar in saying "Quebec's language laws are a pile of m*nure" as you have been supporting that concept all along, namely Nazi type sign legislation, forcing French on the sign. I support Ontario making the English language official mainly to prevent abuse of the working language of Ontario by undemocratic forces trying to cash in by transforming English language jobs into English/ French jobs. Go find another country to spread your horse m*nure or keep it in Quebec. Language is... language Before trying to impose English on others, learn it. How about others learning Ontario's working language. It is only the normal thing to do. Hitler would be proud of you. Edited June 25, 2008 by Leafless Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 26, 2008 Report Posted June 26, 2008 In Ontario French has no status other than being UNDEMOCRATICALLY IMPOSED though the French Language Act, that was voted on by the democratically elected Legislative Assembly If Ontarians DO NOT want to preserve English language jobs in Ontario, vote Liberal and Dalton will, I am certain try his hardest to accommodate you. Yeah right, English-language jobs are disappearing, right. Your understanding of a de facto majority working language shows outright contempt for English speaking residents of Ontario. Are you related to Premier Dalton Mc.Guinty? No. I think you are a liar in saying "Quebec's language laws are a pile of m*nure" as you have been supporting that concept all along, namely Nazi type sign legislation, forcing French on the sign. By agreeing with a UN right panel that that type of by-law does not constitute a violation of human rights, while saying it's not a good idea anyway. You got me right there I support Ontario making the English language official mainly to prevent abuse of the working language of Ontario by undemocratic forces trying to cash in by transforming English language jobs into English/ French jobs. How about others learning Ontario's working language. It is only the normal thing to do. Most actually do. You should learn it too. Hitler would be proud of you. :lol: Quote
Leafless Posted June 26, 2008 Author Report Posted June 26, 2008 though the French Language Act, that was voted on by the democratically elected Legislative Assembly Democratically elected Legislative Assembly. Ha-ha-ha-ha, more legislation just what Ontario needs. Yeah right, English-language jobs are disappearing, right. Isn't that your whole French game plan, bilingual policies, sign laws, make jobs bilingual and hire Francophones who just happen to be bilingual due to the nature of their inferior language. Yes, English only jobs are disappearing in Ontario cities and towns hit by linguistic legislative policies. By agreeing with a UN right panel that that type of by-law does not constitute a violation of human rights, while saying it's not a good idea anyway. You got me right there The U.N. did not write Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And your right, I got you there. Now all you have to do is be a man and admit that imposed sign laws racially discriminate. Most actually do. You should learn it too. :lol: The English language in Canada is propagated by DEMAND, silly fellow. To bad there is NO natural demand for French. Quote
guyser Posted June 26, 2008 Report Posted June 26, 2008 Hitler would be proud of you. Whoops, Godwins Law . Strike three, you're out ! You'll have to wait for another game. Godwins 1 Leafless 0 Quote
CANADIEN Posted June 26, 2008 Report Posted June 26, 2008 Democratically elected Legislative Assembly. Ha-ha-ha-ha, more legislation just what Ontario needs. You're only 20 years behind on that one. You're catching up.Isn't that your whole French game plan (...) How would I know? I am Canadian , (...) and hire Francophones who just happen to be bilingual due to the nature of their inferior language. And you wonder why most people know you are a racist and a joke. Yes, English only jobs are disappearing in Ontario cities and towns hit by linguistic legislative policies. As usual, you don't get it when I mock your nonsense. And your right, I got you there. You REALLY don't get it when I mock your nonsnese. The U.N. did not write Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And you hate the Charter, we know, we know... Now all you have to do is be a man and admit that imposed sign laws racially discriminate. I have made my position clear. You don't get it, others will. Now, be a man and admit that, according to YOUR own definition of imposed sign laws, the type of sign law you want to impose (English only) is racially discriminatory. The English language in Canada is propagated by DEMAND' One more reason for you to learn it. To bad there is NO natural demand for French. :lol: Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 26, 2008 Report Posted June 26, 2008 And your right, I got you there. Arthritic grasp of english I assume? Or are you saying you have him there, on the right? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Remiel Posted June 26, 2008 Report Posted June 26, 2008 It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it smells like a duck... It's a duck. I have to object to this comparison, CANADIEN. Comparing Leafless to a duck is an insult to ducks everywhere. Quote
Leafless Posted June 26, 2008 Author Report Posted June 26, 2008 And you wonder why most people know you are a racist and a joke. To label one a racist is against forum rules. If I was a racist, I would be banned. Your perceived definition of a racist is a joke. But what else can you expect from a obnoxious Francophone who thinks Canada is all about a minority cultural takeover. Galganov also knows all about it. Quote
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