Russell by-law spat sparks bilingual study

[Leafless]

As a Franco-Ontarian and member of the 4.3% population which you categorize as globally racist, I take offense to this. Perhaps you should preview your posts before hitting "add reply".

BTW- It is the 4.3% French population of Ontario, that have disdain for the English speaking Ontarians and is proven in Russell, Rockland and Ottawa.

This sort of racist discrimination by 4.3% of the population must be curtailed and Mc.Guinty has a direct obligation to the majority culture of Ontario to stop racial discrimination to prevent social unrest.

Learn to read before you post.

[Leafless]

No surprise there . Your comparisons are inappropriate as we have nothing even closely resembling nazism in this country.

For on, Russell held a vote to make this change. Thus, democracy in action.

Are the disenters dead? Nope, thus no nazism.

Go ahead though, keep making my case for me.

I agree 100%. When it rears its ugly head be sure to alert me will you please? Because so far I havent seen it.

Oww....those words hurt so bad.

If you had any idea what you are talking about you wouldnt say that. But as one who had a geriatric grasp....oh sorry, athritic grasp on most issues, I understand your feeble attempts to slag my industry.

Again, no idea what you are talking about. We speak, Italian, Russian, French, Hebrew,Guyanese and Trinidadian (but you wont get that-others will) Finnish,Japanese and Chinese (Mandarin).

Slap your noodle there buttercup, we are a service industry. As such, if we attract people using our language abilities, it means more money for my company. Care to thumb your way through our resumes that arrive weekly? They are all written in English, and I can change the font to super large for those eyes of yours. Let me know.

Actually, you are make dumb statements all the time, including making English the official language. It would not change this office one bit, but it would make this province worse off.

Lets see, English and French founding nation. So one of two is 50%. Hmm.....math seems to work for me. Oh I see what you did, you changed it to founding population. How cute you are....silly boy.

Naw, lets just leave it alone and have more Russell's. It will drive you nuts and provide more fodder for amusement.

Say what happened to your thesaurus? You are using normal words now.

LOL!

MORE NOISE FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY and no way worth responding to.

[Leafless]

He does review his posts... all good stand-up comics do. That being said,for one would think that looking in his mirror eveery morning would give him an idea of what a racist looks like.

Prove your allegations?

[guyser]

LOL!

MORE NOISE FROM THE PEANUT GALLERY and no way worth responding to.

4th button down on your left, "caps lock".....

[Leafless]

You haven't seen racism? You just responded to it

Interesting though, to see someone say that Quebec's language laws are racist, then try to do with English in Ontario the same that is being done with French in Quebec.

Language in Canada falls under the jurisdiction of the province.

It is not racist to declare English, the 'de facto' language of the province of Ontario 'official'.

Many U.S. states have made the English language official

The English language is already the 'de facto' language of Canada and of the U.S.

The strange problem with Quebec (and its 'official regional foreign language') is the obvious contempt and animosity it shows towards the 'de facto' English language and its users, by making this obsolete language official, in the province of Quebec.

This contempt and animosity is greatly magnified when portions of the French population tries to propagate this obsolete regional foreign language outside the confines of Quebec.

The discriminatory manner in how this language is propagated is what flows against Charter Rights and Freedoms relating to the rights of English speaking Canadians.

[guyser]

Canadien, you are right, this is comedy gold.....

It is not racist to declare English, the 'de facto' language of the province of Ontario 'official'.

....and then followed by this....

The discriminatory manner in how this language is propagated is what flows against Charter Rights and Freedoms relating to the rights of English speaking Canadians.

So it is discriminatory , hell it is nazism apparently, to have French an official language in Quebec , but when you cross the border it is not that way when declaring English an offical language in Ontario.

Is there a disconnect upstairs? If its wrong for Quebec, how is not wrong for Ontario? Please explain.

[M.Dancer]

Is there a disconnect upstairs? explain.

I believe it was Goethe (don't quote me on this....) who said the limits of his language are the limits of his world. We use our language to shape and conceptualize the world around us.....the better our vocabulary, the better we can describe, the better we can understand....

So it goes without saying (notice the juxtaposition?) that someone whose grasp of language is arthritic at best will have a hard time with simple concepts..yet he struggles to legitimize his ignorance and hate. You have to give him that, some would simply by ignorant and accept their own ignorance.....think what he could accomplish with a passing mark in a grade 10 english for immigrants class under his belt.

[capricorn]

Learn to read before you post.

A display of great interpersonal skills.

[Leafless]

Canadien, you are right, this is comedy gold.....

....and then followed by this....

So it is discriminatory , hell it is nazism apparently, to have French an official language in Quebec , but when you cross the border it is not that way when declaring English an offical language in Ontario.

Is there a disconnect upstairs? If its wrong for Quebec, how is not wrong for Ontario? Please explain.

The only disconnect is in your brain, Dancers included.

If you are totally ignorant to what is happening in Russell Ontario and how English speaking Canadians are being racially discriminated upon, then don't respond to this thread.

Councillors are elected for the reasons stated below:

One of Council's main duties is the enactment of the City's annual budget. Council sets fiscal policies and approves all spending, whether for operations (e.g., salaries) or capital items such as major equipment purchases, street repairs, or other public improvements.

The regulation of land use, including the creation and amendment of zoning laws, is another significant Council responsibility.

While most of the proposed laws which come before Council are referred by the Administration, Council may also initiate legislation itself. Council members will often propose new programs at the suggestion of City residents.

Council members also respond annually to thousands of constituent requests, filling a crucial oversight role in the delivery of basic City services to the public.

In addition to these duties, the Council makes decisions regarding the following:

Dividing City into election districts

Approving City real estate transactions

Issuing municipal bonds

Approving fees and charges, such as taxicab rates

Creating Special Assessment Districts

Adopting Home Rule Messages involving State enabling legislation

Confirming City Department heads and volunteer members of City Boards and Commissions

Conducting an annual independent audit of the City's finances

Investigation of all City departments, with access to all records, compelling testimony, and issuing subpeonas

LANGUAGE or CULTURE is NOT the responsibility of city or town councillors, and in Canada language is under the jurisdiction of the province.

If Premier Dalton Mc.Guinty wants to entertain language policies, let him implement democratic provincial referendums on the issue.

Any other form of implementing minority language policies discriminates against the majority English culture.

We don't need or want city or town COUNCILLORS dictating and implementing racist cultural polices in Ontario or anywhere in Canada.

Edited June 19, 2008 by Leafless

[Leafless]

A display of great interpersonal skills.

Beats yours, moron!

[capricorn]

Beats yours, moron!

Proves my point, in spades.

Edited June 19, 2008 by capricorn

[Leafless]

I believe it was Goethe (don't quote me on this....) who said the limits of his language are the limits of his world. We use our language to shape and conceptualize the world around us.....the better our vocabulary, the better we can describe, the better we can understand....

So it goes without saying (notice the juxtaposition?) that someone whose grasp of language is arthritic at best will have a hard time with simple concepts..yet he struggles to legitimize his ignorance and hate. You have to give him that, some would simply by ignorant and accept their own ignorance.....think what he could accomplish with a passing mark in a grade 10 english for immigrants class under his belt.

Oh yes, its silly Dancer, the self imposed language moderator, in his own mind that is.

Understand this you condescending bastard.

GO TO HELL.

[Leafless]

Proves my point, in spades.

Go to hell, moron.

The only point you prove is related to the shape of your head.

Edited June 19, 2008 by Leafless

[capricorn]

The only point you prove is related to the shape of your head.

What. Now you're claiming to have x-ray vision?

[guyser]

The only disconnect is in your brain, Dancers included.

If you are totally ignorant to what is happening in Russell Ontario and how English speaking Canadians are being racially discriminated upon, then don't respond to this thread.

I will respond when I want thanks.

Anyhow, lets see , English speaking Canucks are not being racially discriminated ( but you know that) in any way. There language was not banned nor any restrictions put on the use of English. but since the other half of the equation is French, sacre bleu , then it must be ! Zoot aleurs!

Councillors are elected for the reasons stated below:

While most of the proposed laws which come before Council are referred by the Administration, Council may also initiate legislation itself.

Umm...you posted the above and of course once again, another contradiction. Since this was a by law, the Council are in fact legally correct to do make the changes.

We don't need or want city or town COUNCILLORS dictating and implementing racist cultural polices in Ontario or anywhere in Canada.

Racist cultural policies? Pure gold jerry, gold.

Dont you get tired of this? Ya know, the being wrong all the time thing?

[Leafless]

Racist cultural policies? Pure gold jerry, gold.

Dont you get tired of this? Ya know, the being wrong all the time thing?

Poor uninformed Guyser.

What do you think a language/culture by law is?

Non racist, when it forces language, other than the working language of Ontario, English, on a sign voted on by mere town councillors.

Re-posted from the Ottawa Citizen:

The opponents of the bylaw that will see bilingual wording on new commercial signs in the largely rural municipality of 14,000, located on Ottawa's southeast doorstep, went from hostile -- with mock Nazi salutes -- to violent when an OPP officer had to intervene when a heated argument threatened to become physical.

The only thing I get tired of is people like you.

Edited June 20, 2008 by Leafless

[CANADIEN]

I will respond when I want thanks.

Anyhow, lets see , English speaking Canucks are not being racially discriminated ( but you know that) in any way. There language was not banned nor any restrictions put on the use of English. but since the other half of the equation is French, sacre bleu , then it must be ! Zoot aleurs!

Umm...you posted the above and of course once again, another contradiction. Since this was a by law, the Council are in fact legally correct to do make the changes.

Racist cultural policies? Pure gold jerry, gold.

Dont you get tired of this? Ya know, the being wrong all the time thing?

Arrgh... you use some French words... you racist

Nothing in Ontario's laws prevents any municipality for passing a by-law regarding commercial signage.

As for the morons who scream "Nazi!" and threathen physical violence over a by-law that, while a bad idea, does not violate their rights one bit, most of them would rejoice if any municipality had a by-law mandating English or prohibiting French.

[Leafless]

Arrgh... you use some French words... you racist

Nothing in Ontario's laws prevents any municipality for passing a by-law regarding commercial signage.

As for the morons who scream "Nazi!" and threathen physical violence over a by-law that, while a bad idea, does not violate their rights one bit, most of them would rejoice if any municipality had a by-law mandating English or prohibiting French.

It is Nazism or another word for it 'National Socialism' which propagates Quebec's nationalistic ideologies utilizing a main component of Nazism 'ethnic nationalism'.

Ethnic nationalism is a form of nationalism wherein the "nation" is defined in terms of ethnicity.

Ethnic nationalism has sustained criticism because of its use by extremists to advocate racist agendas and genocide, such as the case of Nazi Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_nationalism

Currently majority English Canadians are being racially discriminated by:

(1) The Charter of Rights and Freedoms that legislates undemocratic cultural ideologies without Canadian citizens input by way of referendum.

(2) Charter rights are not enforced federally, especially relating to 'Fundamental Freedoms'.

(3) Quebec language laws are condoned by our own federal government that renews Quebecs Notwithstanding Clause every five years, that allows them to continue racially discriminating against English speaking Canadians.

(4) We now have city or town 'Culture Councillors' above their regular duties as mere city or town councillors, who have taken it upon themselves to dictate and implement into law, 'Racist Sign laws' and 'Racist Bilingual Policies'.

How much longer will the majority English population of Ontario continue to tolerate being abused by racist legislation is currently unknown. But more than likely the only way it seems this can be settled, is by way of revolution or having provinces separate from Canada independently or joining the U.S.

Edited June 20, 2008 by Leafless

[guyser]

Arrgh... you use some French words... you racist

Nothing in Ontario's laws prevents any municipality for passing a by-law regarding commercial signage.

As for the morons who scream "Nazi!" and threathen physical violence over a by-law that, while a bad idea, does not violate their rights one bit, most of them would rejoice if any municipality had a by-law mandating English or prohibiting French.

Your last paragraph is the crux.

"Some" just dont get it, mandating English is ok, but not French. I doubt that will ever change . (the "getting it" part)

[Leafless]

As for the morons who scream "Nazi!" and threathen physical violence over a by-law that, while a bad idea, does not violate their rights one bit, most of them would rejoice if any municipality had a by-law mandating English or prohibiting French.

And why should there not be a by-law prohibiting French in a province that is approx. 96%English and is the de-facto language of the province of Ontario and of Canada.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that without any official provincial status attached to French, it is simply just another foreign language.

And for town councillors to force commercial signs to include a foreign language on users of the working language of Ontario and of Canada, is racially discriminating.

[CANADIEN]

Your last paragraph is the crux.

"Some" just dont get it, mandating English is ok, but not French. I doubt that will ever change . (the "getting it" part)

And I for one view it as a good thing (that they don;t get it). I for one need the entertainment.

[CANADIEN]

And why should there not be a by-law prohibiting French in a province that is approx. 96%English and is the de-facto language of the province of Ontario and of Canada.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that without any official provincial status attached to French, it is simply just another foreign language.

And for town councillors to force commercial signs to include a foreign language on users of the working language of Ontario and of Canada, is racially discriminating.

Joyeuse Saint-Jean-Baptiste

[Leafless]

Joyeuse Saint-Jean-Baptiste

I observe you have no problem flaunting your freedoms associated with the country of Canada but have a preference for dictating racially discriminatory minority Quebec type language laws in the province of Ontario.

Happy Victoria Day from the ROC.

Edited June 24, 2008 by Leafless

[guyser]

Happy Victoria Day from the ROC.

Damn, not only dont you get it , but....(in my best teenage girls voice) you are so last month !

Power that cart a little faster there hombre.

[Leafless]

Damn, not only dont you get it , but....(in my best teenage girls voice) you are so last month !

Power that cart a little faster there hombre.

In the federal public service Francophones can refuse the holiday 'Victoria Day', May 21 and rather celebrate 'St.Jean Baptiste Day', June 24, which was not one day celebration as with Victoria Day, but a four day celebration in Gatineau, Quebec, all primarily supported with federal money.

I was simply wishing him a belated happy Victoria Day which in federal type talk is the same holiday as St. Jean Baptiste Day.

Power that cart a little faster--o.k.

I think it is a national disgrace to allow federally employed Francophones a choice in refusing to celebrate Victoria Day, like all other federally employed Canadians, and instead be allowed to celebrate St. Jean Baptiste Day.

There is only one Canada, not two.

Happy?

Edited June 24, 2008 by Leafless