FTA Lawyer Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Is there some part of the board software that prevents the starting of a Marc Emery thread? And simultaneously promotes empassioned pleas to address moot issues? As for the topic, Aside from the question of who was responsible for producing this training material, I saw with my own eyes the US Navy JAG Corp. Lt. Commander appear on a Canadian national news broadcast and state that there is no doubt Khadr has been abused and his rights in international law violated. Forget the f--king pamphlet...I'll run with Lt. Commander Kuebler as my reason to suspect torture by the US. Anyone able to explain to me why I shouldn't? FTA Quote
margrace Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 On a vote this morning on CTV, 65% of the people believe Canada should have the US on a Torture Watch list. Quote
Topaz Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Bush has broken more laws as president then any other in history. Bush has said "America" does not torture. A play on words, when you outsource the person to a country that does. Guilty as charged. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) Bush has broken more laws as president then any other in history. Bush has said "America" does not torture. A play on words, when you outsource the person to a country that does. Guilty as charged. If you're referring to Arar being deported to Syria, Canada shares guilt in what happened. Seriously, I can understand why people get upset over things the U.S. has done. It's justified. What I can't understand is not looking in one's own backyard. As for Omar Khadr, I do believe he's been mistreated, abused, and tortured at the hands of the U.S. and I do believe torture goes on at Gitmo. Edited January 18, 2008 by American Woman Quote
noahbody Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Bush has broken more laws as president then any other in history. Bush has said "America" does not torture. A play on words, when you outsource the person to a country that does. Guilty as charged. I'm not one to defend Bush, but it's likely the fault that he was raised by child abusers. You likely were too. By child abuse, I mean he was likely spanked as a child on occassion, like most of us. Child abuse sounds terrible though, doesn't it? And so does torture. It's an emotionally charged word. It's hard to condone torture or child abuse and this is why we gave Arar $12 million. Any idea of what physical 'torture' he survived and how long of a period he says he was physically 'tortured'? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 ...By child abuse, I mean he was likely spanked as a child on occassion, like most of us. Child abuse sounds terrible though, doesn't it? And so does torture. It's an emotionally charged word. It's hard to condone torture or child abuse and this is why we gave Arar $12 million.... Are you kidding? Spanking? Torture and "child abuse" may sound terrible, but it happens a lot....from abortions to the Canadian Regiment in Somalia. Send Khadr back to Afghnaistan to clear land mines. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 Are you kidding? Spanking? Torture and "child abuse" may sound terrible, but it happens a lot. Doesn't make it less terrible though, does it? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
noahbody Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 Are you kidding? Spanking? Torture and "child abuse" may sound terrible, but it happens a lot....from abortions to the Canadian Regiment in Somalia. Send Khadr back to Afghnaistan to clear land mines. Think you missed my point. I don't consider spanking child abuse at all. However those who are against it have categorized it as child abuse in order to create guilt. The same goes for torture. Whenever there is any degree of mistreatment, people (lawyers, media) cry torture for the same reason. Arar was certainly mistreated, but saying he was tortured is a stretch. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 Think you missed my point. I don't consider spanking child abuse at all. However those who are against it have categorized it as child abuse in order to create guilt. The same goes for torture. Whenever there is any degree of mistreatment, people (lawyers, media) cry torture for the same reason. Arar was certainly mistreated, but saying he was tortured is a stretch. OK...my bad...and I certainly agree, since smoking at home or in cars has now been declared child abuse! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 OK...my bad...and I certainly agree, since smoking at home or in cars has now been declared child abuse! I guess if you have no problem forcing children to inhale carcinogens, torture is no big deal. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 I guess if you have no problem forcing children to inhale carcinogens, torture is no big deal. Hmmmm...why do you "force children" to breath the carcinogens from your vehicle exhaust particulates? No big deal? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 I'm not one to defend Bush, but it's likely the fault that he was raised by child abusers. You likely were too. By child abuse, I mean he was likely spanked as a child on occassion, like most of us. Child abuse sounds terrible though, doesn't it? And so does torture. It's an emotionally charged word. It's hard to condone torture or child abuse and this is why we gave Arar $12 million. Any idea of what physical 'torture' he survived and how long of a period he says he was physically 'tortured'? Child abuse and torture sound terrible because they are terrible. It's why it shouldn't be condoned. Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 Hmmmm...why do you "force children" to breath the carcinogens from your vehicle exhaust particulates? No big deal? I never do that. It would kill them to force them to breathe vehicle exhaust in an enclosed area like inside a car. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 I never do that. It would kill them to force them to breathe vehicle exhaust in an enclosed area like inside a car. It doesn't have to be in an enclosed area. Diesel engines in particular (pun intended) discharge carcinogens into the atmosphere. Even school buses...oh the humanity (sobbing). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 Where is Canada's new detention / torture facility? I seem to recall embarrassing press about the older facility being used for security certificate detainees and "torture" victims, so a new one was built. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 Bush has broken more laws as president then any other in history. Bush has said "America" does not torture. A play on words, when you outsource the person to a country that does. Guilty as charged. Torture has many definitions - like porn. And like porn, I know it when I see it. Making someone sleep with the light on is not torture, nor is removing their clothes to embarrass them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 What more will it take for action by our government to attempt to stop its citizens (even ones accused of very bad things, who have very bad parents) from being subjected to such injustice?A Lt. Commander in the US NAVY JAG Corp saying that Khadr has been abused and his rights under international law violated does it for me... FTA Yes, if only they would just put a bullet in his head like they should, humanely. Then we could all be rid of him. Alternatively, I would accept releasing him so long as he lives at your house. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) del Edited January 21, 2008 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 Yes, if only they would just put a bullet in his head like they should, humanely. Then we could all be rid of him. Justice like that is all very well and fine. Until it is you on the recieving end. Alternatively, I would accept releasing him so long as he lives at your house. He shouldnt be released. He should be tried in court , evidence presented and a verdict rendered. No more no less. Quote
kengs333 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Where is Canada's new detention / torture facility? I seem to recall embarrassing press about the older facility being used for security certificate detainees and "torture" victims, so a new one was built. Nice try to deflect the attention, but the truth of the matter is that the United States does and has for some time resorted to the use of torture and violated people's human rights; you shouldn't be trying to justify, rationalize, downplay, etc. this fact, regardless of where you stand politically. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) Nice try to deflect the attention, but the truth of the matter is that the United States does and has for some time resorted to the use of torture and violated people's human rights; you shouldn't be trying to justify, rationalize, downplay, etc. this fact, regardless of where you stand politically. Who's deflecting....far from denying US "torture" protocols, I am sure there are other practices that are far worse....you know...outright homicide! So why isn't Canada on its own list given the history of security certificate abuses and torture described by Amnesty International? Where is that new facility? Here it is: "Guantanamo North" is a brand-new facility on the grounds of Millhaven Penitentiary in Bath, near Kingston, Ont., and it is designed to house suspects being held under Canada's new security certificates ." - CBC ...'Gitmo has much better weather! Edited January 21, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Fain Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Wasn't Kadhr the nutjob who threw a grenade at our afgan alliance? Quote
Argus Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Justice like that is all very well and fine. Until it is you on the recieving end. He shouldnt be released. He should be tried in court , evidence presented and a verdict rendered. No more no less. Nice mindless sentiment. But he has broken no law in Canada. Killing people elsewhere is not against the law here. Hating the western world, and Jews in particular, is not against the law here. If he comes here he will be released. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
noahbody Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Child abuse and torture sound terrible because they are terrible. It's why it shouldn't be condoned. Torture is an all-encompassing word used to describe any level of mistreatment, even mild mistreatment. As you've just shown, when people hear the term terrible they think the worst. Are you aware what Arar went though or only that it has been described as torture? Quote
jdobbin Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Posted January 21, 2008 Torture is an all-encompassing word used to describe any level of mistreatment, even mild mistreatment. As you've just shown, when people hear the term terrible they think the worst. Are you aware what Arar went though or only that it has been described as torture? Torture has been defined as "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person." Are you suggesting that Arar's imprisonment and what happened to him was not torture? Quote
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