Churches urned and ransacked in India

[kengs333]

Here's a news item that has received scant attention and will likely fade into obscurity, as do all cases of persecution of Christians:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/071226/worl...ligion_unrest_4

[AngusThermopyle]

At first based on the thread title I thought perhaps that many people had decided to give gifts of urns to all the local churches and then take something in exchange.

This is pretty typical actually. It's the kind of behaviour that has been happening for years in countries located in that part of the world.

[Borg]

Here's a news item that has received scant attention and will likely fade into obscurity, as do all cases of persecution of Christians:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/071226/worl...ligion_unrest_4

Nothing new here.

Media will not carry and cover with strength as it would make them look like they actually care.

If the street traffic was in "the other direction", the uproar would be enormous.

Third world countries do not have a live and let live attitude as the canuckleheads do.

Those folks - agree or disagree with them - are not afraid to stand up for what they believe in - canuckleheads always roll over and play dead.

Borg

[Adelle]

Those folks - agree or disagree with them - are not afraid to stand up for what they believe in - canuckleheads always roll over and play dead.

Borg

Ya, lets stand up for what we believe in like them. Being of Irish descent, I can tell you how well that works. Besides, somebody has to be the "adult" and, apparently, these hindu folks ain't it. :angry:

[Borg]

Ya, lets stand up for what we believe in like them. Being of Irish descent, I can tell you how well that works. Besides, somebody has to be the "adult" and, apparently, these hindu folks ain't it. :angry:

Adelle - you are a prat.

Oops - report me for name calling.

You missed the entire point - completely - suspect most will not. Or I missed what you meant - either way .......

Adult? It has not worked for years - the teenagers will run over you.

It has nothing to do with being an adult - it has to do with turf. Stand on it with the majority belief, or get thrown out. At least everywhere but here.

Borg

[M.Dancer]

At first based on the thread title I thought perhaps that many people had decided to give gifts of urns to all the local churches and then take something in exchange.

This is pretty typical actually. It's the kind of behaviour that has been happening for years in countries located in that part of the world.

Reminds me of the old spoken joke....

"What's a Greek Urn?"

"About $3.00 an hour"

[Shakeyhands]

Here's a news item that has received scant attention and will likely fade into obscurity, as do all cases of persecution of Christians:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/071226/worl...ligion_unrest_4

Oh yes... its such an issue. The persecution of Christians is just rampant. Funny how I don't see the distain for the persecution of other religions from you Kengs.

Nontheless, sad story and I wonder what this world is coming to.

[Michael Hardner]

Even if such persecution was rampant, it might not be covered. Mass genocide in Rwanda didn't get enough coverage for people to sit up and take notice, so it's hard to see how a story like this can compete with the rush and colour of the latest Hollywood divorces.

[kengs333]

Oh yes... its such an issue. The persecution of Christians is just rampant. Funny how I don't see the distain for the persecution of other religions from you Kengs.

Nontheless, sad story and I wonder what this world is coming to.

That's pretty sad that you have to be so snide about this. I think the persecution of Christians in the century has resulted in more deaths that any persecution of any other group. I hate playing the numbers game, but unfortunately with people like you I think it's the only way to drive this reality home. As for my supposed lack of interest in the "persecution of other religions" well, as a Christian, it's clear where I stand on this matter, but that still doesn't mean that I am not concerned and disheartened by the sufferings and death inflicted upon people throughout the world.

[Michael Hardner]

Kengs,

Christians are more persecuted than other religions -> how about a link to some evidence please ?

[Lazarus]

From what I've read, the Hindu's and Christians in that area have going at each other hammer and tongs for decades, with each side blaming the other.

On a related note:

Priests brawl at Bethlehem birthplace of Jesus

Seven people were injured on Thursday when Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests came to blows in a dispute over how to clean the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.

Following the Christmas celebrations, Greek Orthodox priests set up ladders to clean the walls and ceilings of their part of the church, which is built over the site where Jesus Christ is believed to have been born.

But the ladders encroached on space controlled by Armenian priests, according to photographers who said angry words ensued and blows quickly followed.

For a quarter of an hour bearded and robed priests laid into each other with fists, brooms and iron rods while the photographers who had come to take pictures of the annual cleaning ceremony recorded the whole event.

A dozen unarmed Palestinian policemen were sent to try to separate the priests, but two of them were also injured in the unholy melee.

"As usual the cleaning of the church afer Christmas is a cause of problems," Bethlehem Mayor Victor Batarseh told AFP, adding that he has offered to help ease tensions.

"For the two years that I have been here everything went more or less calmly," he said. "It's all finished now."

The Church of the Nativity, like the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem's Old City, is shared by various branches of Christianity, each of which controls and jealously guards a part of the holy site.

The Church of the Nativity is built on the site where Christians believe Jesus was born in a stable more than 2,000 years ago after Mary and Joseph were turned away by an inn.

[guyser]

On a related note:Priests brawl at Bethlehem birthplace of Jesus

Lets hope that all christians the world over denounce this , otherwise...we have a real problem on our hands.

Hell, some of theses brawlers might immigrate to Canada. The horror.

[kengs333]

Kengs,

Christians are more persecuted than other religions -> how about a link to some evidence please ?

http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php

[Shakeyhands]

http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php

And that link provides what? Your assertion that Christians are persecuted more than any other religion leaves me wondering if you understand the meaning of the word.

Edited December 29, 2007 by Shakeyhands

[charter.rights]

That's pretty sad that you have to be so snide about this. I think the persecution of Christians in the century has resulted in more deaths that any persecution of any other group. I hate playing the numbers game, but unfortunately with people like you I think it's the only way to drive this reality home. As for my supposed lack of interest in the "persecution of other religions" well, as a Christian, it's clear where I stand on this matter, but that still doesn't mean that I am not concerned and disheartened by the sufferings and death inflicted upon people throughout the world.

Ok. I'll bite. Let's play the "numbers game". First you have to post the numbers to back up your statement and then we'll how accurate they are.

Providing a link to a biased organization looking to extort money from us isn't a good starting point. Let's start with world wide statistics with comparisons with other religions - especially Judaism historically. Sources please.

Edited December 29, 2007 by charter.rights

[charter.rights]

One thing I don't get.

When a Mulsim father kills his daughter it is all over the news as if his religion made him do it. And yet when a guy in BC kills dozens of women they don't mention he was a quite possible a Christian and the story was hardly newsworthy at all.

There are more Christians in Canada killing people, molesting children and abusing woman than any other religion, yet it never makes the news. How come?

[kengs333]

And that link provides what? Your assertion that Christians are persecuted more than any other religion leaves me wondering if you understand the meaning of the word.

Hmmm... this is getting nowhere fast. You ask for examples of how Christians/Christianity is being persecuted, and when it's provided you claim I don't "understand the meaning of the word." If you don't want to have an intelligent discussion about the issue, then don't even bother responding.

[Drea]

I read Keng's propaganda link...

the articles read like... 1 Christian killed...7 Christians killed, some hurt... etc. BUT not near on the scale of worldwide persecution of Christians. Not even close to the number of Muslims killed by Bushco. (YOUR lameheaded Jesus/God told him to invade Iraq and kill Muslims remember?)

Kengs when 2 or 3 people are killed it is not a "persecution". When an entire sects are wiped out then come back and tell us about it. Your whining about "Christians being prosecuted" is really lame in light of the facts of who really is dying and who really is doing the killing.

for ther record, yes Muslims are killing one another...they are not over in Jesusland bombing churches now are they? The idiot sticks (fundy Muslims) just keep killing one another off.

[kengs333]

I read Keng's propaganda link...

the articles read like... 1 Christian killed...7 Christians killed, some hurt... etc. BUT not near on the scale of worldwide persecution of Christians. Not even close to the number of Muslims killed by Bushco. (YOUR lameheaded Jesus/God told him to invade Iraq and kill Muslims remember?)

Kengs when 2 or 3 people are killed it is not a "persecution". When an entire sects are wiped out then come back and tell us about it. Your whining about "Christians being prosecuted" is really lame in light of the facts of who really is dying and who really is doing the killing.

for ther record, yes Muslims are killing one another...they are not over in Jesusland bombing churches now are they? The idiot sticks (fundy Muslims) just keep killing one another off.

Not what I would call an uncharacteristic response. It's funny that you would downplay the persecution of Christians in a post that includes the snide remark "lameheaded Jesus/God".

According to people like you, being Christian means being denied the right to think freely and develop an intellect, yet time and again you have shown that your atheistic worldview has provided you with a middling IQ at best.

[Drea]

Not what I would call an uncharacteristic response. It's funny that you would downplay the persecution of Christians in a post that includes the snide remark "lameheaded Jesus/God".

According to people like you, being Christian means being denied the right to think freely and develop an intellect, yet time and again you have shown that your atheistic worldview has provided you with a middling IQ at best.

Awww sweety pie... you are trying soooo hard, yet getting nowhere.

Mensa say's my IQ is 136. What's yours hon?

A coworker (no longer with us, gone home to raise her chillun) -- I tried to have a conversation with her regarding the age of the earth and she said that the devil put dinosuar bones in the ground to "trick" us.

Your Jesus/god is lameheaded. Not only that, but any notion of a "saviour" is a made up fairytale to tell adults -- exactly E-X-A-C-T-L-Y like the notion of Santa Claus.

Santa -- If you are good then Santa will give you a reward!

Jesus/god -- If you are good then Jesus/god will give you a reward!

Edited December 29, 2007 by Drea

[Michael Hardner]

Kengs,

I wouldn't want to 'downplay' persecution, however you yourself seem to be downplaying it when you post this:

"I think the persecution of Christians in the century has resulted in more deaths that any persecution of any other group."

...then follow it up with a page that shows a few handfuls of Christians are being persecuted.

My advice: don't pull statements like that out of the air.

Next.

[Shakeyhands]

Hmmm... this is getting nowhere fast. You ask for examples of how Christians/Christianity is being persecuted, and when it's provided you claim I don't "understand the meaning of the word." If you don't want to have an intelligent discussion about the issue, then don't even bother responding.

You provide a link that cites examples of the assaults against odd Christian here and there. It is not systemic and not worthy of being called persecution. Perhaps if this was around 400 AD

[kimmy]

Oh yes... its such an issue. The persecution of Christians is just rampant.

Are you so uninformed as to actually believe this is a trivial issue?

You provide a link that cites examples of the assaults against odd Christian here and there. It is not systemic and not worthy of being called persecution. Perhaps if this was around 400 AD

Did you fail to notice that his page only lists incidents from the past 3 or 4 days?

What, in your mind, constitutes "persecution"? What qualifies as "systemic"? Why is "systemic" an important distinction at all?

Mobs of Hindus gathered to attack Christian churches, repeatedly. Is that not persecution in your mind? If bands of Christians gathered in Scarborough to burn down some mosques, would that be persecution in your mind? Would you be posting "Oh yes, its such an issue. " if that happened?

When Muslim militias in Nigeria go on machete-swinging rampages against Christian communities in support of their demands for Sharia law, is that persecution? Is it less significant because it's not "systematic"?

When Muslim militias were committing atrocities and genocide against they Catholics of East Timor, was that persecution? When the occupying Indonesian armed forces allowed these atrocities to occur under their very noses, did that make it sufficiently systematic for you to consider it serious?

People who have been reading here for a while know how I feel about organized religions of all stripes. However, it really rankles me to see the hypocrisy here.

It reminds me of back in 2005 when Florida was decimated by hurricanes, and people were writing "God must be sending them a message about the election HO HO HO" Hilarious. Yet I do not recall any such comedy, from either those comedians, or from Christians, when Muslim Indonesia was struck by the devastating tsunami just a few months later.

I think that some people should spend a moment to think about what kind of human beings they really are.

-k

[kimmy]

When a Mulsim father kills his daughter it is all over the news as if his religion made him do it. And yet when a guy in BC kills dozens of women they don't mention he was a quite possible a Christian and the story was hardly newsworthy at all.

There's not one credible reason to think Pickton's crimes had anything to do with religion. The suggestion that it might is sheer unfounded speculation on your part, completely unsupported by anything other than the fact that he has a European last name. It's as unfair and inflamatory as, for instance, suggesting that Gamil Gharbi , aka Marc Lepine, massacred 14 female students in Montreal because his father was a Muslim.

On the other hand, religion is an unavoidable element of the story of the father who choked his daughter to death for not wearing hijab. The father's religion is a central element to the story. You can't cover the news item credibly without recognizing that fact.

(is this really that difficult for people to grasp?)

There are more Christians in Canada killing people, molesting children and abusing woman than any other religion, yet it never makes the news. How come?

Such items are continually in the news, when it's relevant to the story. The church's role in residential schools or priest sex abuse scandals has been front and center in these news stories. You'd be foolish to claim it "never makes the news".

(of course, if you're referring to crime in general in this country and speculating that most of it is committed by Christians, then you're being foolish again.)

Mensa say's my IQ is 136. What's yours hon?

I think it's a commonly held truism in internet circles that people who brag about their IQ test scores are generally people who shouldn't be bragging.

-k

[sharkman]

Telling responses in this thread. Churches from one religion get ransacked by another religion. It's wrong, but many of you can't seem to peer around your bias to say so.