Conservative attack ads

[Fortunata]

I can just imagine the type of attack ad you would come up. Ads about a slovenly and low-class Harper would not sit well with Canadians no matter their political beliefs. But here, it's OK to denigrate the Prime Minister. Keep it up as it provides an outlet and you can vent your frustrations.

I think the Conservatives ad about Dion is mild given his poor personal attributes as party leader that could have been underlined.

No, you couldn't imagine what kind of ad I would come up with because I don't believe in attack ads at all, no matter who does them. They are low class and they play to the stupidest among us. But that's Steve's whole idea isn't it?

Steve shows no class, in either the ads nor in QP. He is slovenly no matter what you say - and that is something that he could do something about. Maybe instead of sitting around plotting his attack ads he could go to the gym. Ya think?

[Guest coot]

On your second point, you're right you don't have to like it. My questyion: do we care?

Why would you have read it if you didn't?

[Michael Bluth]

No, you couldn't imagine what kind of ad I would come up with because I don't believe in attack ads at all, no matter who does them. They are low class and they play to the stupidest among us.

You just believe in posting personal attacks on message boards.

Both on Steve and those who don't share your views, i.e. 'the stupidest among us' in your words.

Is there a reason for your feelings of superiority?

[cpidgeon]

Lets face it, Dion is a joke as a leader and everyone sees it..Maybe the liberals should get a leader that isn't from quebec

[Moxie]

by playing a soundbite out of context over and over again? Its weak and it reflects poorly on the CPC.

I found them funnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, if you put a Green Hat on Dion he'd look like the Grinch who stole Christmas. So what are his plans, platform and ideas? Nope he's been dithering for months, the Liberals will not be the Official Opposition (Allah willing) after the next election.

You just believe in posting personal attacks on message boards.

Both on Steve and those who don't share your views, i.e. 'the stupidest among us' in your words.

Is there a reason for your feelings of superiority?

I can answer that, I can answer that! They have a god given opps wrong analogy, they have the non-god given right to rule. Everyone knows we shall have soldiers on every street and facism will rule Canada under the Cons rule. Oh and that god fella well he'll be preached to us from every Con MP. LOL, Henny Penny anyone?

[capricorn]

He is slovenly no matter what you say - and that is something that he could do something about. Maybe instead of sitting around plotting his attack ads he could go to the gym. Ya think?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe by your comment you allude that the PM is fat and needs to work out. I think you are using the wrong adjective to describe the PM as you regard him.

slovenly

Function:

adjective

Date:

circa 1568

1 a: untidy especially in personal appearance b: lazily slipshod <slovenly in thought>2: characteristic of a sloven <slovenly habits>

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/slovenly

The PM is neither untidy nor lazy. But I can understand why you do not see this.

[Michael Bluth]

The PM is neither untidy nor lazy. But I can understand why you do not see this.

It's hard to see when you are blinded by hatred and full of spite.

[Wilber]

I've always considered myself a conservative but I find these adds objectionable. Not the high road at all. Harper would do well to remember the add that made fun of Chretien's facial paralysis. They were a disaster for the PC's. The nastier he makes them, the more he risks garnering Dion sympathy he didn't have in the past. I think a lot of people believe Dion to be a nice guy even if they aren't sure of his ability to run the country.

[capricorn]

I think a lot of people believe Dion to be a nice guy even if they aren't sure of his ability to run the country.

I think Dion is a nice guy. I am also convinced he cannot manage the country or be effective as leader of the opposition. The ad was designed to show he doesn't have the qualities of a leader. I don't know anyone who votes for a person or a party out of sympathy.

[Michael Bluth]

I think Dion is a nice guy. I am also convinced he cannot manage the country or be effective as leader of the opposition. The ad was designed to show he doesn't have the qualities of a leader. I don't know anyone who votes for a person or a party out of sympathy.

That is the exact reason for running those ads. Hammering home the point that Steph is not a leader.

The previous analogy to the Chretien facial analysis is weak. Those ads were dumb because Chretien had a built in response.

How can Dion counter these ads? He did muse about possibly raising the GST.

[Wilber]

I think Dion is a nice guy. I am also convinced he cannot manage the country or be effective as leader of the opposition. The ad was designed to show he doesn't have the qualities of a leader. I don't know anyone who votes for a person or a party out of sympathy.

I don't either and I don't have a problem with the Conservatives pointing that out but I think they are doing it in away that has the potential to alienate people. Just my opinion. I find them quite distasteful as I do most attack adds. I have a tough time relating to those who resort to them. I wonder how many others feel the same way.

[capricorn]

I don't either and I don't have a problem with the Conservatives pointing that out but I think they are doing it in away that has the potential to alienate people.

Yes, some people find the ads over the top. But at election time in the voting booth, distaste over ads goes out the window and voters weigh their options.

Ads are a marketing tool and voters decide whether to buy into it or not.

You can bet that if the Liberals had the bucks, they'd give as good as they're getting.

[Michael Bluth]

You can bet that if the Liberals had the bucks, they'd give as good as they're getting.

Good point.

I still don't understand what it is about the 'way' they are doing these ads that could alienate people.

The Conservatives ads are definitely cheezy. But they were in the election as well.

Dion has made billions in spending promises. The poverty plan is the most recent example.

How will they pay for it? John McCallum, Marlene Jennings and Steph all talked about the possibility of raising the GST.

The ads are truthful.

They are aimed at swing voters.

Those voters who are committed to the Conservatives definitely like them. Those who would never vote Conservative don't like them.

What will the effect be on the swing voters? From the Ipsos poll released today the Conservatives are in solid majority territory so they must be doing something right.

[capricorn]

From the Ipsos poll released today the Conservatives are in solid majority territory so they must be doing something right.

This upswing for the Conservatives can be explained in part by the positive result of the economic update. The next poll will show if these numbers hold or increase then the ads are resonating with Canadians.

As for the high numbers for Conservatives in Quebec, I feel Quebecers are tiring from the bickering going on in their provincial politics and are looking for political stability at the federal level. The Bloc will suffer greatly as a result. Sort of poetic justice?

[margrace]

That is the exact reason for running those ads. Hammering home the point that Steph is not a leader.

The previous analogy to the Chretien facial analysis is weak. Those ads were dumb because Chretien had a built in response.

How can Dion counter these ads? He did muse about possibly raising the GST.

And you think Harper is a leader, well maybe but he sure fits my definition of a Bully

[margrace]

Yes, some people find the ads over the top. But at election time in the voting booth, distaste over ads goes out the window and voters weigh their options.

Ads are a marketing tool and voters decide whether to buy into it or not.

You can bet that if the Liberals had the bucks, they'd give as good as they're getting.

Attack ads are a sample of American BS, but then doen't Harper make no bones about importing American politics into Canada.

[Shakeyhands]

How will they pay for it? John McCallum, Marlene Jennings and Steph all talked about the possibility of raising the GST.

Boy, the Steve thing must really bother you. I think its great you are refering to Dion as Steph! Good for you!

Good way to keep yourself from boiling over and trying to keep it light!!

Edited November 10, 2007 by Shakeyhands

[old_bold&cold]

Face it if we were to rate these ads using a scale that was say based on politeness, these ads would be very low in the rating.

If on truthfulness, these ads would rate high.

But I am not so sure they rate so well in the fair play basis but they still would get a passing rating but just barely.

If it was just rated on the basis of good taste, not they would not be very well regarded.

But we do not use good taste much in the political arena, which is sad, as I did see a chance for Harper to rise above this, but he still can do that and he has lots of time to do so. I do not think that anyone sees an election coming before spring at the earliest, maybe even next fall.

Dion just does not have what it takes and he is not commanding enough to get much from his supporters to make him that guy with the power in hand. To most he is the guy with the dead turkey in hand and the kids asking where their pet is.

[Drea]

Dion just does not have what it takes and he is not commanding enough to get much from his supporters to make him that guy with the power in hand.

Dion seems rather weak in the leadership dept and the conservatives are capitalizing on his weakness. And rightly so.

I have always voted Liberal but I am thinking of voting for Jack just because I cannot see Dion as an effective leader.

The Liberals need a new leader. Any chance of that happening before he has to go head to head with Harper? Ignatief would have been a much much better choice. Who the hell were the idiots that tought Dion had leadership capabilities anyway?

How do we small l liberals get him out of there? How do we voice our opinions to the party and tell them they're losing our votes because they chose a weak man to lead the party?

[jbg]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe by your comment you allude that the PM is fat and needs to work out. I think you are using the wrong adjective to describe the PM as you regard him.

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The PM is neither untidy nor lazy. But I can understand why you do not see this.

Everything that that poster writes is a personal putdown of someone. One of it's opening posts on the board was to blast my write to post since I'm a Yank. It has since spread the wealth around.

If I'm with Harper I consider myself in good company.

Edited November 10, 2007 by jbg

[jbg]

So I was half-watching TV last night when on comes a Tory attack ad aimed at Stephane Dion. I think it was a leftover from the batch they did back in January, but does anyone else find it unusual that they'd be running attack ads when there's no election campaign underway? Aren't there rules about this sort of thing?

Yes.....but only during an election and that only covers what they spend.

But I think attacks on Dion fall under the laws governing making fun of cripples.

If a country has/values free speech there should be no restrictions on this kind of speech. As far as "election" goes, it is true that Dion is eating crap sandwiches rather than toppling the government. Clearly, though, in a fragile minority government environment everyone's in election readiness mode, always.

[jbg]

No, you couldn't imagine what kind of ad I would come up with because I don't believe in attack ads at all, no matter who does them.

Oh really now? When are you not in attack mode?

[Michael Bluth]

Dion seems rather weak in the leadership dept and the conservatives are capitalizing on his weakness. And rightly so. I have always voted Liberal but I am thinking of voting for Jack just because I cannot see Dion as an effective leader.

The Liberals need a new leader. Any chance of that happening before he has to go head to head with Harper? Ignatief would have been a much much better choice. Who the hell were the idiots that tought Dion had leadership capabilities anyway?

How do we small l liberals get him out of there? How do we voice our opinions to the party and tell them they're losing our votes because they chose a weak man to lead the party?

Principled stand. I agree. I held my nose and voted PC in 2000 because I did not see Stock Day as an effective leader.

There is almost no chance of Dion getting booted vefore the next election.

The leadership vote was an extention of the Chretien-Martin fued, which was an extension of the Chretien-Turner fued, which was an extension of the Trudeau-Turner fued.

Dion was seen as a 'compromise' between the two camps between Iggy on the Martin side and Rae on the Chretien side. However, he just isn't that appealing as a leader.

You voice your opinions by continuing to give the Liberals support in the high 20s in opinion pollls.

[Black Dog]

It's a minority government which can topple at a moments notice - hence the ads makes perfect sense in the absence of an "actual" election.

But we know that's not going to happen. Nor is it the first time a government has been in such a position.

On your second point, you're right you don't have to like it. My questyion: do we care?

Obviously you do, since you're replying to the topic.

[Fortunata]

Everything that that poster writes is a personal putdown of someone.

A lie.

One of it's opening posts on the board was to blast my write to post since I'm a Yank.

Another lie, is this compulsive or you do it on purpose?

It

IT? What a man. 'Course it's easy on the end of a keyboard, or telephone even calling hospital rooms and children's lines right jbg?