Toronto School Board eyes "Afro-centric" school

August1991 · May 3, 2008

What does this have to do with black schools August?

Canada is not Iceland. It is not an island. We cannot isolate ourselves from the world around us. In this modern world, where Canadians travel freely abroad, we cannot forbid foreigners to come here. Argus and MikeDavid are wrong for a practical reason: we must share a planet with foreigners. IOW, we must live intimately with other people in this world.

The question is how?

It seems to me that Canada has managed this question reasonably well and the Canadian answer is: let local people decide. If there is a definition of Canada, it is that Canada protects minorities. Canada is a civil society - by that, I mean parmi d'autres the majority respects the minority.

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Returning to the subject of this thread, I think that in a civilized society, if young blacks want a school in Toronto adapted for their needs, then they should have it at the expense of my taxes.

Argus · May 11, 2008

Aside from deciding a grade for your words, I think that it's preferable to have a world with fewer wars, and fewer drive-by shootings.
The WASPs in Canada (eg. Argus) could isolate themselves like Icelanders and pretend that the World is not their problem. Or, they could accept that travel is now cheap and Canadians travel around the world just like foreigners come here.

As long as they stay out of Quebec, right, August? Dirty foreign bastards!

You're always all for this the-world-is-our-home nonsense whenever it comes up with regard to Canada outside Quebec, but at the same time you'd be at the barricades if a bunch of non-French people wanted to come to your province and started overrunning it with their own culture and values.

If the government decided to increase immigration to Quebec to the same levels as in Ontario August and his friends would be burning buildings and blocking roads - so much for his "we-are-the world" refrain.

Argus · May 11, 2008

Canada is not Iceland. It is not an island. We cannot isolate ourselves from the world around us. In this modern world, where Canadians travel freely abroad, we cannot forbid foreigners to come here.

So then, August, are you in favour of a drastic increase in immigration to Quebec from non-French immigrants? Say, 100,000 a year or so?

Argus · May 11, 2008

Returning to the subject of this thread, I think that in a civilized society, if young blacks want a school in Toronto adapted for their needs, then they should have it at the expense of my taxes.

What if young Whites want such a school? Is that okay, too?

CANADIEN · May 14, 2008

So then, August, are you in favour of a drastic increase in immigration to Quebec from non-French immigrants? Say, 100,000 a year or so?

Interesting, isn't Argus? 100 000 non-French speaking immigrants to Quebec would be fine and dandy, but there are too many cars with license Quebec license plates parked by Canadian residents in Ottawa lots.

CANADIEN · May 14, 2008

The school system has a responsibility to create an environment where children can realize their full potential.

It is evident that the Toronto school system has failed most Black kids. I am not sure that Afro-centric schools is the solution.

PS: Argus. What is the problem with white kids that would justify white-only schools?

M.Dancer · May 14, 2008

The school system has a responsibility to create an environment where children can realize their full potential.
It is evident that the Toronto school system has failed most Black kids. I am not sure that Afro-centric schools is the solution.

PS: Argus. What is the problem with white kids that would justify white-only schools?

I am more inclined to think thqt black parents are the ones who are failing black kids...but technically, the schools only fail poor students. Whether miraculously black parents who have kids in this new school will make the kids crack the books instead of doing everything and anything but study remains to be seen.

Argus · May 14, 2008

The school system has a responsibility to create an environment where children can realize their full potential.
It is evident that the Toronto school system has failed most Black kids. I am not sure that Afro-centric schools is the solution.

PS: Argus. What is the problem with white kids that would justify white-only schools?

One could make the sociological case that white kids would perform better in schools where they didn't have to worry about the violence of black street and drug gangs, or the poor study habits of black students. One could also suggest that White students feel intimidated by the higher scores and single minded attention to studies of Asian students, and give up for being unable to match it. Oh yes, one could make all sorts of sociological arguments favouring white only schools.

Certainly ones which would be as good as those made for Black only schools.

Argus · May 14, 2008

I am more inclined to think thqt black parents are the ones who are failing black kids...but technically, the schools only fail poor students. Whether miraculously black parents who have kids in this new school will make the kids crack the books instead of doing everything and anything but study remains to be seen.

Black culture has failed Black kids. Even Blacks say so. A focus on flash and machismo, a disregard for the value of education, a lack of respect for those who try to get ahead through education, glorification of Black heros, most of whom are scumbags and crooks, all combine to make young black males in particular, miserable students - when they show up.

jbg · May 14, 2008

One could make the sociological case that white kids would perform better in schools where they didn't have to worry about the violence of black street and drug gangs, or the poor study habits of black students.

Does Jewish violence hurt white school performance?

Oleg Bach · May 14, 2008

Does Jewish violence hurt white school performance?

Hey if the anglo elite get to have Upper Canada College..then blacks should be allowed to have their version of it. Why not let blacks prepare for prewarmed seats of power? Good for the goose good for the gander! BUT what the heck does Afro-centric or eccentric mean any way? Seems that this maybe a blind and stupified bit of political correctness that makes no sense..for instance- CNN back last year was reporting on the rioting in France by blacks...the dullard reporter refered to the blacks as "Afro-Americans" - what the hell? They were never in America and they came directly form African nations...talk about silly. NOW "Does Jewish violence hurt white school performance?" - Are we talking about international violence or school yard stuff? This statement is definitely a straw man diversion..Jews have nothing to do with blacks..unless they are playing in a blues or jazz band together.. :blink:

The sad fact is in Toronto is that the liberals through half baked policy - and liberal feminist eccentric man hating and father hating - ran off the black fathers 20 years ago...(you could not get a welfare cheque if dad was in the home) so he was driven off and now we pay) Not a smart idea...maybe the damage caused by social experimentation and the hate that conservatives have for blacks - has caused to much damage and that damage is not reparable...In the mean time let the blacks have what they want....BUT the more intelligent blacks don't want a silly Afro-eccentric degree..they want a real degree of value - a white man's degree...cos that is where the status and money is!

g_bambino · May 29, 2008

Hey if the anglo elite get to have Upper Canada College..then blacks should be allowed to have their version of it.

I hope you're being sarcastic. If not, UCC was the wrong choice to use for your argument; it isn't a bastion for the anglo elite now, if it ever really has been.

Edited May 29, 2008 by g_bambino

M.Dancer · May 29, 2008

I hope you're being sarcastic. If not, UCC was the wrong choice to use for your argument; it isn't a bastion for the anglo elite now, if it ever really has been.

I live in spitting distance from UCC and Bishop Strachan.....both schools are pretty diverse ethically....the common denominator is parents willing to pay the big bucks for a high quality school experiance.

My friend works at UCC. He himslef went to a catholic private school known for being very tough academically. He says he is amazed by the workload the kids ...and complete.

g_bambino · May 29, 2008

I live in spitting distance from UCC and Bishop Strachan.....both schools are pretty diverse ethically....the common denominator is parents willing to pay the big bucks for a high quality school experiance.
My friend works at UCC. He himslef went to a catholic private school known for being very tough academically. He says he is amazed by the workload the kids ...and complete.

Actually, I rather thank the school for what I think is a relatively tolerant attitude on my part towards other races and cultures. My groups of friends always included kids from various cultural, racial, and economic backgrounds; one's parents were Hungarian immigrants who lived in an apartment block in Weston, while another was a mixed Euro-Afro kid who lived in a Forest Hill mansion that was imported from the UK brick by brick (secret panels and all!). We didn't really have the ethno-cliques I sometimes see in other schools; and that was twelve years ago now. My personal school experience must be a factor behind my disappointment with this Afro-centric school idea; it's myopic and will deny kids the diverse, and beneficial, experience I had.

Edited May 29, 2008 by g_bambino

veggiedawg · January 13, 2009

I personally don't think it is a good idea. At all. I think to most it immediately feels like an uncomfortable idea.

Mr.Canada · January 18, 2009

Last I heard, as of about a month ago they had a total of 6 students registered for this all black school. Not exactly getting much support outside of the white liberal guilt circle.

jbg · January 23, 2009

Last I heard, as of about a month ago they had a total of 6 students registered for this all black school. Not exactly getting much support outside of the white liberal guilt circle.

Maybe some guilty-feeling white liberals want to send their kids to those schools, or to sublet an apartment at Jane and Finch.

KeyStone · January 24, 2009

The theory is the same as gender segregated schools.....but even in a school for young ladies there will be men teaching...whether they nallow honkies to educate is an unknown to me....the idea though is that there is a systemic racism that oppreses black students..so in theory blacks with blacks taught by blacks will allow them to rise.......
....my feeling is that there will be pressure to promote kids who aren't achieving and when they get into the mainstream post secondary and they are marked like everyone else, the howls of systemic racism will rise again.

This would make the divide between whites and blacks even worse.

Imagine that all your family is black, all your neighbourhood is black, and now all your teachers and classmates are black.

What would that do to your trust of white people. It will pretty much ensure that all your friends are black.

And to be quite frank, there is a dangerous undercurrent in the black culture that is not particularly beneficial, or productive that will likely be nurtured in such an environment.

Gender segregation is somewhat different since it is less likely that a child's family and neigbourhood will consist of people predominantly of one gender.

ironstone · February 16, 2009

I think this is clearly a foolish idea to start with.Is there such a thing as "black" math or science?There should be outrage from all sides here but because this idea seems to have some support among blacks everyone is afraid to touch this one with the proverbial ten foot pole.I wonder what the early pioneers in the civil rights movement would think of this.

August1991 · February 17, 2009

I think this is clearly a foolish idea to start with.Is there such a thing as "black" math or science?There should be outrage from all sides here but because this idea seems to have some support among blacks everyone is afraid to touch this one with the proverbial ten foot pole.I wonder what the early pioneers in the civil rights movement would think of this.

In Canada, we have segregated French schools and English schools, that teach math and science differently.

Each province in Canada teaches math and science according to its own curricula, a right jealously guarded. This is a major feature of Canada's constitution.

Edited February 17, 2009 by August1991

Oleg Bach · February 17, 2009

First there is no African connection to base "Afro-centric" on, other than some far flung genetics and a high number of deverse and seperate African nations that are all different culturally....nation of origin can not be traced...so forget it! - this is liberal racism at it's worst. You come to America you assimulate - that's what made America powerful - you come to Canada - you disappate and that is what will and is making us weak. The liberal mind is not intelligent and prone to hate...they really don't like black people. Smart and gifted blacks and those that are independent logical thinkers do not want - a dumb Afreako second rate education - They want a white mans education - a real one! Ghettoization? Damned right it is.

jbg · February 18, 2009

This would make the divide between whites and blacks even worse.
Imagine that all your family is black, all your neighbourhood is black, and now all your teachers and classmates are black.

What would that do to your trust of white people. It will pretty much ensure that all your friends are black.

And to be quite frank, there is a dangerous undercurrent in the black culture that is not particularly beneficial, or productive that will likely be nurtured in such an environment.

Keystone, at last we agree on something.

BubberMiley · February 19, 2009

Each province in Canada teaches math and science according to its own curricula, a right jealously guarded. This is a major feature of Canada's constitution.

Yes, it's so jealously guarded most provinces pretty much gave it up in 1995.

http://www.wncp.ca/english/subjectarea/mathematics/ccf.aspx

Perhaps you should stick to superficial comparisons.