Amsterdam: Religion of peace strikes again

[sharkman]

Guyser(I don't understand your first sentence) , what about all of the Muslims who are not students, and want footbaths in airports, malls, and other public places. Again, it is the Left who is willing to accomodate one Religion only, and it is not the footbath issue, but making all kinds of concessions for the Muslim religion in general.

But as for your liability issues with universities for not providing footbaths, consider common sense. If a student is miss-using a bathroom sink and hurts himself, that is not the school's fault, no matter what some leftwing judge may find.

[guyser]

what about all of the Muslims who are not students, and want footbaths in airports, malls, and other public places. Again, it is the Left who is willing to accomodate one Religion only, and it is not the footbath issue, but making all kinds of concessions for the Muslim religion in general.

I have not seen nor read about an issue like that. As for me, no, they are not entitled to have them installed in airports malls et al, unless an accommodation for all is made. I highly doubt the latter so I stay with the former.

But as for your liability issues with universities for not providing footbaths, consider common sense. If a student is miss-using a bathroom sink and hurts himself, that is not the school's fault, no matter what some leftwing judge may find.

You contradict yourself. If a judge , and really stop with the pathetic left wing bs, finds the school liable, then the school has to pay because they were deemed at fault . Therefor the school is at fault . And rightly so. They would know of, or ought to know of, the injuries that could come about by not correcting the access to the footbaths. They could have banned all foot bathing and posted guards to prevent it. That would not incurr liability.

[DogOnPorch]

Since when did we want to be like them?

I suppose ever since we threw the doors open to immigration from 3rd World countries. Somebody must have thought it was a cool idea.

But, honestly...t'wasn't me. Canada may be a great nation...but it wasn't immigration (even by/of my family way back) that made it great. It was the hard work and shared common goals that made it that way. Today's immigrant may work hard (or not), but I fear that we no longer hold common goals as to where Canada is going over the next 50-100 years.

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[Wilber]

I suppose ever since we threw the doors open to immigration from 3rd World countries. Somebody must have thought it was a cool idea.

I meant regarding intolerance for other religions.

I fear that we no longer hold common goals as to where Canada is going over the next 50-100 years.

I share that fear but I really don't see much of a connection between that and washing your feet before you enter a place of worship.

[guyser]

But, honestly...t'wasn't me. Canada may be a great nation...but it wasn't immigration (even by/of my family way back) that made it great. It was the hard work and shared common goals that made it that way. Today's immigrant may work hard (or not), but I fear that we no longer hold common goals as to where Canada is going over the next 50-100 years.

But are they mutually exclusive?

It was the hard work and shared common goals you are right, but the immigrant was part of that too. I dont think one can say it wasnt them , while they came and built a lot of this country.

[Guest American Woman]

The picture is bigger than footbaths. It is about accomodating a religion in many different ways in government facilities, when they won't make certain accomodations for other religions. And this is done with good intentions, to not be racist towards a group of people whose kind committed mass murder on 9/11. But the left has bent so far over in response to this (not even flying the American Flag at some major universities to avoid offending foreign students!!) that no other interpretation is possible than calling it reverse racism.

So what other ways are government facilities accomodating Muslims?

As for Muslims "kind" committing mass murder on 9-11, it's no more "their kind" than violent acts by extremist Christians and Jews is "their kind."

And what major universities are not flying the American flag so as not to avoid offending foreign students?-- do you have a link for a source that? I've never heard of such a policy.

As for the footbath issue, surely their God understands that they live among infidels who do not believe in Him and therefore they can wash their feet at home, or in a gym facility at the schools in question.

I didn't ask for YOUR take on what Muslims should believe. They believe according to their beliefs just like Christians and Jews. I asked a simple, straightforward question. I'll ask it again.

Would you rather they keep using the sinks, creating a safety hazard, than have the foot baths installed?

Edited October 31, 2007 by American Woman

[jefferiah]

You contradict yourself. If a judge , and really stop with the pathetic left wing bs, finds the school liable, then the school has to pay because they were deemed at fault . Therefor the school is at fault . And rightly so. They would know of, or ought to know of, the injuries that could come about by not correcting the access to the footbaths.

Lol. Guyser!!!!

Yes the school is at fault because people were misusing the sinks. By that logic muslims could sue me if they bathed their feet before prayer in my house and had an accident.

[jefferiah]

Would you rather they keep using the sinks, creating a safety hazard, than have the foot baths installed?

They don't have to use the sinks. End of story. The safety hazard is not created by the sinks themselves but by people misusing them.

[Guest American Woman]

They don't have to use the sinks. End of story. The safety hazard is not created by the sinks themselves but by people misusing them.

You're saying they don't have to use them doesn't solve the problem. They are Muslims, they pray, they need to wash their feet to do that according to their religion, so they will. That's the reality. So again the question:

Would you rather they keep using the sinks, creating a safety hazard, than have the foot baths installed?

[guyser]

Lol. Guyser!!!!

Yes the school is at fault because people were misusing the sinks. By that logic muslims could sue me if they bathed their feet before prayer in my house and had an accident.

I am glad you agree. Thanks for the support. I appreciate it.

(Probably not what you expected but re-read what you wrote and you might see it.)

[sharkman]

Would you rather they keep using the sinks, creating a safety hazard, than have the foot baths installed?

I would have thought my answer would be quite obvious, but anyway, they should keep using the sinks. If they want to misuse the facilities, that is their problem. Again, they now live in an infidel country and that's the way the ball bounces.

[jefferiah]

I am glad you agree. Thanks for the support. I appreciate it.

(Probably not what you expected but re-read what you wrote and you might see it.)

So, you are of the opinion that unless we all install footbaths in our homes we are liable for any accidents Muslims may have in our washrooms regarding using sinks as footbaths.

I think you just gave us enough reason to go back to referring to your logic as "pathetic left-wing bs".

Edited October 31, 2007 by jefferiah

[jefferiah]

Would you rather they keep using the sinks, creating a safety hazard, than have the foot baths installed?

No, they should not use the sinks. And they can pray at school if they want. They will be fine without dipping their feet in sinks.

[jefferiah]

You're saying they don't have to use them doesn't solve the problem.

No but expelling someone who refuses to get his feet out of a public sink would. Put up a big sign---

No Feet in The Sinks!!

It is not the University's fault that Islam says they need to wash their feet. It is not their responsibility to provide for them. As for prayer in school I have no problem with that. If you want to pray or read the Koran or the Bible or whatnot. That's fine. But schools should not be spending money for this nonsense.

[jbg]

On the footbath in university issue, the Left's cry of separation of church and state is silent for some strange reason. Whenever Christian groups want a prayer room or some other thing the Left's rabid response is quite predictable, so their hypocritical pass on Muslim issues reveals an agenda. The right must not allow this agenda to hold sway.

Sharkman, I could not have said it better.

Thanks.

[jbg]

If the Muslims wanted a prayer room, I'd object.

Would you rather they keep using the sinks, creating a safety hazard, than have the foot baths installed?

I'd rather they "pray" (actually ululate for death) off school hours.

[jbg]

I suppose the acid test would be how well Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism et al are accommodated in a majority Muslim country's universities/airports/hospitals etc.

Are they accommodated?

So much so that they're "losing their head" in the enthusiasm over the Muslims' accomodations.

[jbg]

But the right could not muddy those waters enough. It was the Muslims who went to the UofM and asked to pay for a footbath. The Univ on its own accord told the students the Univ would pay for it.

People cannot build as they like on someone else's property. There are insurance and liability issues.

If someone had gotten a staph infection in a Muslim footbath, were the victims just going to sue Allah?

[guyser]

So, you are of the opinion that unless we all install footbaths in our homes we are liable for any accidents Muslims may have in our washrooms regarding using sinks as footbaths.

I think you just gave us enough reason to go back to referring to your logic as "pathetic left-wing bs".

No I am not of that opinion. Why would you assume that?

Actually my background in business allows me some certainty in my conclusions, but not what you have posted.

It is neither left wing nor bs. But there you go, muddy the waters.

[guyser]

People cannot build as they like on someone else's property. There are insurance and liability issues.

If someone had gotten a staph infection in a Muslim footbath, were the victims just going to sue Allah?

jbg, they did not ask to "build it" they asked to pay for one installed. They had the money ready IIRC.

And you , of all people, know damn well who they would sue for a staph infection. I am very surprised you are taking the low road on this.

If a christmas tree fell on me at a mall, would I be able to sue God ? Ridiculous, both scenarios.

It is not that I am for all these lawsuits nor happy who wins, but, and I should be able to count on a lawyer to agree at least in part, dealing with these issues day in and day out I see the reality.

Here are the basic facts.

Kid A slips at Uof M washroom used in part by Muslims for a footbath.

Water is all over the floor, and normally is day in and day out. That is a recognizable hazard to the school. (they have paid risk assessors on staff who look for these things)

They ignore the problem and Kid A who slipped now presents a lawsuit.

The court will , in all likelihood, find the school negligent. Perhaps not all , perhaps a portion of the 100% blame.

So , future loss of earnings may play here, the kid being potentially injured for years to come or kept back from earning his income in the coming years.

Judgment to the plaintiff, and my experience suggests at least $100,000. If the judge says the UofM that they have 80% fault, then $80,000 it is they have to fork over, along with lawyers fees etc. So in effect it cost them $150,000.

$25,000 for a footbath seems smart now doesnt it?

[Guest American Woman]

I'd rather they "pray" (actually ululate for death) off school hours.

Again, that's not going to happen. They are going to pray when they want to pray, as is their right.

So your only option is to have the foot baths installed or the hazard of water on the floor. I can't imagine why anyone would choose the hazard, which is, I'm sure, why you refuse to answer the question.

Edited October 31, 2007 by American Woman

[ScottSA]

Again, that's not going to happen. They are going to pray when they want to pray, as is their right.

So your only option is to have the foot baths installed or the hazard of water on the floor. I can't imagine why anyone would choose the hazard, which is, I'm sure, why you refuse to answer the question.

Lawsuits against Muslims who can't mop up after themselves is a great option too.

[Guest American Woman]

Lawsuits against Muslims who can't mop up after themselves is a great option too.

Yes, of course. Because we all clean up after ourselves after using a public restroom; we all clean the sinks and the toilets. And no one litters. And the world is a perfectly clean place.

Think what you will, but people aren't required to clean up after themselves in a public restrooms, so when they don't, the hazard remains. So that's the bottom line. You can talk all around the reality, but in the end, it's the reality that we're left with; and it's the reality that the university is left with should an injury occur.

So it's either foot baths or the hazard. That's the reality.

[ScottSA]

Yes, of course. Because we all clean up after ourselves after using a public restroom; we all clean the sinks and the toilets. And no one litters. And the world is a perfectly clean place.

Think what you will, but people aren't required to clean up after themselves in a public restrooms, so when they don't, the hazard remains. So that's the bottom line. You can talk all around the reality, but in the end, it's the reality that we're left with; and it's the reality that the university is left with should an injury occur.

So it's either foot baths or the hazard. That's the reality.

Hey, guess what? They outlawed spitting in public places around 1900, and pretty much made it an aberration today. Maybe its about time we outlawed washing stinky bits in public bathrooms. What do you think? I mean, if I suddenly created a cult that felt a pious need to crap in the sinks of public washrooms prior to prayer, I'll bet you'd be all about banning it the first minute you found a lump while washing your hands.

[Black Dog]

jbg:

Because only the Muslim riots have the effect of intimidating Western, democratically elected governments. Thus the footbaths, the prohibiition against anti-Muslim demonstrations, etc.

Today the footbaths, tomorrow the world, eh?

Also, I'm not aware of any formal government policy re: anti-Muslim demonstrations: perhaps you can cite one?

It's also not the first time jbg has given Muslims and soccer hooligans the double standard treatment.

ScottSA:

They outlawed spitting in public places around 1900, and pretty much made it an aberration today.

Don't get out much, do ya sunshine?