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FTA Lawyer Not sure how to respond to this. Comparing Nazi Germany to Palestine is pretty bad. To me it looks like Israel is systematicly taking over Palestinian land. Builing fences and walls around them for containment. Inhumane. Look I understand the Jews plight after WWII. My grandfather fought for the Germans in WWII and came over to Canada in the late 1940's He told me of horrible stuff commited by both sides of the war. So after WWII the Jews were given a nice peice of land in the Middle East. That 'country' has been growing ever since. I don't think any other county's land grab equals that of Israel since it was created. IN other words this is a form of sanctioned genocide. Nocrap Someone is looking at the bigger picture here. Thank you.

Who?? That is what I am attempting to find out. Cannot be just one person, but a small group of people. Keep those questions comming Micheal. It is at least making me think of other things. I have an open mind.

Motive for 9/11 ? Pretext for war. Something along the lines of the Northwoods Documents from the CIA.. Two months later the Patriot Act (how long had that been in the works?) was signed into law. On October 7, 2001 not even one month after 9/11 the US and Co went to war with Afghanistan. How long does it take to prepare for a war? If you went to war only a month after 9/11, you would have to have been preparing for the possibility of war. I would say they started working on the war plan for about, and I am no expert, but 6 months to a year? ArmyGuy.. if you are even reading this thread, how long before the Afghanistan war, would it take to prepare for that war? When would the first deployments happen? I would say the build up was happening months before the actual invasion of Afghanistan. I will say 9/11 was used as a pretext for war and to get domestic support for the war in Afghanistan and eventually Iraq. Otherwise alot of people would have not supported it.

I decided to throw this topic in here for the reason it affects the US and Canada. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/28/rad...g.ap/index.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4852410.stm http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?he...cf-c3c4b7e53e06 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=100...glGQO0&refer=us Were the Mexican and Canadian governments were aware of this in the first place. The US managed to get, albeit small amounts, of radioactive material (cesium-137) into Canada AND Mexico to bring it back across to the US. They say that would have been enough to make two dirty bombs. This would prove that we need to tighten our own security at the US border. Questions How was it brought across our border? When was it brought across? Where was it brought across? How long had it been here? The Bloomberg site states that the radioactive amount that was smuggled was the same as what is in smoke detectors. They contain an isotope called Americium-241, which is made in nuclear reactors, and is a decay product of plutonium-241. Well, at least I learned something about fire alarms This operation was carried out on December 14 2005.

This is one thing I can agree with you on JerryS. The US has no exit strategy. They are now there full time. Difference - amount of casualties and deaths Similarity - war on idealism Differences - one war was on communism / this one on terrorism. (all for the security of the US) Similarity - policy of regime change for a democratic society. Similarity - Hollywood making movies about Vietnam then, and Iraq now. Difference - they failed with Vietnam, it is STILL a communist country / Iraq results still pending.

OK fine, play it that way. That is something I EXPECT from the right. An elected government. Weather you like it or not, the Palestinians voted Hamas in. Now you have to deal with it. Diplomaticly. Seems like Israel will push the Palestinians to the sea before that happens. I mean with all that support from the US. And considering the sizes of both countries at the start of the century to what they are now dot dot dot. . . idealist 'Remember, a man with a full belly and secure domicile is much less likely to strap explosives to himself and blow him up at some soon to be forgoten checkpoint then a starving man' I very much like this statement.

Hammas is officialy IN, and aid is officially OUT. So now what? I thought we were commited to peace. Even a democraticly elected Palestinian Government should be recognized right? Question, who recognizes Palestine's right to exist? So I say, to be fair, we cut aid to Isreal (if we do send them aid) Only to be fair. This is for sure showing some bias on the Canadian Government. The only other country to cut aid to Palestine is Israel. I am guessing they do not recognize their right to exist. And Israel has stated they will define their borders with or without Palestine's help. I think this was a hastey reaction to the situation and overall does not help anything. Wondering how you all think/feel of this situation. F*ck buddy. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Another fabulous post Monty. Thanks for your opinion.

We also know that the US supplied arms to Iran AND Iraq during Reagan's Administration.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories Hammas is officialy IN, and aid is officially OUT. So now what? I thought we were commited to peace. Even a democraticly elected Palestinian Government should be recognized right? Question, who recognizes Palestine's right to exist? So I say, to be fair, we cut aid to Isreal (if we do send them aid) Only to be fair. This is for sure showing some bias on the Canadian Government. The only other country to cut aid to Palestine is Israel. I am guessing they do not recognize their right to exist. And Israel has stated they will define their borders with or without Palestine's help. I think this was a hastey reaction to the situation and overall does not help anything. Wondering how you all think/feel of this situation.

No, but much of the rationalization that's used to support arguments that those are cover-ups are identical to the ones used for 9-11. For example, 'it's always good to ask questions'. Another - official sources can't be trusted. Even closer to the point - finding strange anomalies and unexplained facts and concluding that there must be a conspiracy at work. And - yes - the Popular Mechanics article is a good read, if only to show that many seemingly unexplainable things can be explained. You can bet that the ones that aren't will be fuel for the conspiracy engines. Exactly. But c'mon MH, let's face it. The evidence of the lochness monster is far more compelling than the "cement powder, 110-stories-of-exposives" BS we're being subjected to here... I really do enjoy reading this stuff for entertainment value,though. They go round and round in circles without proving anything. The more you reply the more you are subjecting yourself to it. I am not holding your mouse hand and making you click to reply. I was not trying to turn this thread into a farce, which by now it clearly seems that way. So maybe just move along to another thread. Or hit that ignore button to stop subjecting yourself to this agonizing pain you seem to be in.

No, but much of the rationalization that's used to support arguments that those are cover-ups are identical to the ones used for 9-11. For example, 'it's always good to ask questions'. Another - official sources can't be trusted. Even closer to the point - finding strange anomalies and unexplained facts and concluding that there must be a conspiracy at work. And - yes - the Popular Mechanics article is a good read, if only to show that many seemingly unexplainable things can be explained. You can bet that the ones that aren't will be fuel for the conspiracy engines. Exactly. But c'mon MH, let's face it. The evidence of the lochness monster is far more compelling than the "cement powder, 110-stories-of-exposives" BS we're being subjected to here... I really do enjoy reading this stuff for entertainment value,though. They go round and round in circles without proving anything. Find out who was in charge of security for WTC yet?

We are not talking about UFO's or the Lochness.

It does not explain alot at all BD. Generalizations ect. No specifics. Thats where reading the official FEMA/NIST documents are needed. JerrySinfeld. Again, I ask, and you must investigate, (which I know the answer) who was in charge of security for the WTC complex up till the day before of 9/11.

No TV camera crews were on site filming anything when the first plane hit. The only people that caught the first plane hitting was the french brothers doing the documentary. Actually they did. He did, saying 'if you had ever seen one of those controlled demolitions' There are some news clips in the 9/11 Revisited that shows it, also In Plane Site shows it. He did comment. JerrySienfeld. Who was in charge of security leading up to 9/11 ? Enough eye witnesses and firefighters said they heard explosions. (maybe bombs, maybe something esle) You don't need to place them where the planes will eventually hit. But you would rig it for the whole building, no matter where the plane would hit. and the planes were recorded to be flying 450 to 550 MPH, 800 is past Mach 1. They can be set in timers, or remote detonation. Something Controlled Demolition devised. And they can be set in blocks, like they usually are to go off at a certain time.

Tire fires burn for years. This is another example of looking for a conspiracy bottom-up, by looking at the anomalies and strange things that are unexplained. I tell you that with any such event it's easy to find little oddities and slip-ups. From the top down: Who within the US would have the motive and the means to carry out such a plan ? What would be involved in executing it ? If you look at those questions objectively, you would see that the risks would far outweigh the benefits, even if you assume that some individuals would be so inhuman as to kill thousands for personal gain. This was not a tire fire There would have to be a source for that fire to burn and smolder for so long. First I am looking at how the buildings come down, then I can move on to the whys. One step at a time. Major natural gas line erupted? Damaged from the buildings falling and breaking some lines? But that section would be shut off pretty quick. Saftey measures are in place for that kind of thing.

Riverwind So then why those hot spots at the 'Ground Zero' ? 10 days after the fire under was still burning, even two months after it was still burning. What can cause something to smolder like that for 2 months. Stuff was on fire as it fell? That fireball that smashed through the elevator shafts to the lobby took out the garage underneath? It was a hot fire under there too. What would have been needed to make a fire THAT hot for THAT long after the buildings collapsed. I am reading the FEMA report myself, but I am no math expert! Only way is to recreate the buildings, crash a plane into them and fine out. But that will never happen.

It may be weak if anyone else but the property manager said it. Comming from him, makes a huge difference. Now arguments can be said that he was talking about 6 or 5, but those were taken down some time after 9/11. However the way he is describing things he is definatly talking about 7. So they 'pull' it and watch it fall. Riverwind I am wondering about the power downs and evacuations of some floors leading up to 9/11. Did they start after or before Silverstein took over the property? Remember he was given a 99 year lease on all WTC property two months before 9/11. According to some of those videos, they shut down a block of floors at a time then did their work from there.

So I would guess they are using the cameras for more domestic spying than anything. Seems to me the government does not trust it's own citizens. But then again this is all for fighting international terrorism. I love waiving to the cameras at the US Embassy here in downtown Ottawa. Even smoking a joint in the park behind the Embassy. Take mah picture!! More cameras means more security right?

There is a PBS aired documentary out with him saying that. I am going to use 9/11 revisited for my purpose. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=19...visited&pl=true At 7:50, you can see CNN correspondant Bill Hemmer wth Mayor Julliani 10 days after the collape. At 15:40 is where Silverstein says it all.

I consider myself a socialist. Domestic Policy I would like to make Hydro, water and health care a government department again overseed by a public council. Taxes may go a bit higher, but your basic necessities are coverd by the government. Government Reform Sessions is ALWAYS in. Holidays would quickly go bye byes. No more 3 more weeks till parliment opens. It should always be open and always be working. The rest of the country does this, so the government should follow suit. I would be cutting ALOT of jobs in government, well the useless ones. I don't know what they are yet. If not cutting jobs, seriously reducing government workers pay. Other points : I would like to make closer ties to EU and more. Economicly and politicaly. Set up a system to prevent price gouging. More spending on bringing our Military up to date. Curb the high rising cost of post secondary education. Set standards for the whole country. An education in Ontario should be just as good as an education in Manitoba, PEI.. and yes even in Quebec. I would make a law stating that ceceeding from the Commonwealth is an act of treason and will be dealt with in a not so very nice way. I would like some reform in Quebec personaly. Get rid of 'affermative action' meaning minorities would no longer get special treatment. Hire the person with the better qualifications.

I wonder if Bush is having second thoughts about this 'democracy' business ;-) He really needed another 'Karzai : The Oil Czar'. to help in Iraq. I guess new elections are in order then?

Well it seems like the US does not want Jafaari as an Iraqi PM, eventhough he was democtaticly elected. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4855210.stm Why is that?? OK he was choosen by the democraticly elected ruling party. But that is besides the point, I recall how upset the WhiteHouse was when Jafaari was elected. They wanted Allawi as PM. But I guess you can't have it your way all the time.

It does matter how other buildings come down. Or DON'T come down. If the FEMA report stands true that 25% of the front face was gouged out, would it not make sense that the building would tip towards 5 and 6? Why was 5 and 6 still standing? You can clearly see big gapping holes right through the roof of 5 and 6, they are not small . Part of 5 and 6 were destroyed when 1,2 fell. In my view, the massive pile a shit that came down, should have crushed 5 and 6. But were left standing, 7 got hit, and crumbled straight down. And no I am not satisfied. I have many more questions to find answers for, 1,2 blew up, only way I can describe it. 7 came straight down. 5 and 6 needed to be 'pulled' later on. I have been watching some physicists explanations on it, and have found consistancies between them. Important ones.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/28/...in1444696.shtml Every 15 minutes? That seems not long enough, unless they all take a pic one after another. From the article it is a camera for every 30 residents there, and 200,000 dollars was spent to install these bad boys. Looks like they are installing the basic camera there. http://www.independis.ca/products/models They should be using the M10M-Basic from that chart. The only one without a microphone. How comfortable are you with having cameras everywhere?

I try to read their website, but it is very very hard on the eyes. And I do not have cable TV.