fellowtraveller

Well, that is another topic Wilber, but rightfully it should be the Liberal Party of Canada. If they hadn't stolen the money, there wouldn't have been an Inquiry.

You have misunderstood, your assumption that I see this as desirable is incorrect. My choice would be that Canada remain intact as it is now. But I have come to the realization that retaining the status quo is not mine to choose. Quebec will soon have the opportunity to choose, and if I were to bet - I'd bet they will leave. The purpose of my post was to speculate on what happens after that, and to note that in those circumstances - a Canada composed of Ontario and eight much smaller provinces - that the status quo most emphatically will not be accepatble to any of the provinces excepting of course- Ontario.

Let us not forget the billions of wasted money waiting to be publicized at Industry Canada.

You know, the $50, $100, $200 or $1.14 million that went astray in Adscam? Have any politicians been charged with crimes? Has the RCMP been called in to do a criminal investigation of the MPs that recevied the money? Does the investigation end with Martin promising to pay back a number he somehow plucked out of the ether? Has that money actually been received? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Yep, those delusions of persecution are what keeps drugknobs thinking they are something other than...well....knobs. Stats for drug prosecutions (from statscan in 2004), per 100,000 of population: Canadian average 304.1 Alberta 260.3 British Columbia 634.2 Looks like it's the BC cops who are throwing y'all in jail.

Hate? Love? These are emotions that are not loosely ascribed to strangers. I don't feel that strongly about any politician.

Nonsense. Layton demonstrated his own grasping opportunism by supporting the Liberals and blackmailing them into spending $4.5 billion unbudgeted dollars. Many Canadians remember his support for the corrupt Liberals then, and will remember it on January 23. Want proof? Despite the golden opportunity in front of them, the NDP still cannot get beyond support similar to that enjoyed by the Bloc. Layton may yet end up as the power broker for the Liberals or Conservatives in a minority government, but he still won't get any respect.

Liberal strategists must clap their little hands in glee when they realize how many voters actually think that demonstrated corruption somehow equates to possible corruption. I could vomit when I read such claptrap. Our education sytem has utterly failed when it produces 'logic' like this example.

I disagree with the notion that another NEP will take Alberta out of Canada, the trigger will be Quebec separation. Consider how Canada will look post 2007, without Quebec: Ontario will have 40%+ of the total population. The Maritimes will still be essentially dependent states. If an essential element of Albertas issues with Central Canada is the tyranny of the majority, a post 2007 Canada will be worse, not better. What happens then? Why would Alberta, BC, Sask or the rest look forward to a new Canada that would feature complete domination by Ontario? Our country has some very serious and tough times ahead. We need to be talking about these things now, as priority one on our national agenda. Who knows, if we can overhaul our system of governance enough to keep Quebec- unlikely as that seems now.

Classic Liberal crap, and a preview of what we can expect to see in the next 3 weeks. No facts, no policy from the Liberals, just the same old blah blah blah.. Fearmongering, innuendo and scare tactics - that is what they are reduced to. This type of OP is very encouraging to those who will vote for change and hope and Canada on January 23. It encourages all of us, to see - this is all they have left in their arsenal of lies.

Nope. That doesn't explain what I witnessed. 1)The federal funding is based on the percentage of the popular vote received. The amounts that the Bloc received for the 2004 election in Quebec is quite similar to the money that the Liberals received for the 2004 election in Quebec 2) It is obvious that the Bloc is spending their money on being highly visible on Quebec streets and highways. It is obvious that the Liberals are not doing the same, including in ridings where they have MPs. 3) The Liberals don't spend their money evenly over 308 ridings,like every Party they spend their money where they think they'll win seats. For instance, the Liberals won't spend much in Alberta , what is the point? They won't spend much in eastern Quebec, what would be the point? But they currently hold 21 seats in Quebec. I was in perhaps half of them, and they are not really spending much there either. A possible interpretation of this reality is that they are semi-conceding their seats. Are there other possibilities?

And Rome burns while Nero fiddles...... I can promise you that this is the second best Christmas the separatists will see in their lifetimes. Their little cheeks are rosy with glee for so many reasons: the upcoming slaughter of the Liberals in Quebec, a new and charismatic PQ leader, a weak minority government in Ottawa (Tory or Liberal, doesn't matter to the Bloc), continued lack of focus on the real issue facing our country - governance. The very best one will be next year, just before the Quebec elections. That will see a federal system in even worse disarray, a PQ win on the near horizon, a referendum that the PQ wil win , and separation from Canada. Life will get much tougher after that, but ....mission accomplished. And there is nobody, nobody at all, to speak for Canada. Let's address that, shall we?

The Tories are funding the Bloc? Your tinfoil hat is too tight mate. Link, source, facts or STFU. None of which explains the reality that Quebec is plastered in Bloc signage and only Bloc signage. The Libs and Bloc have similar federal funding in Quebec. The Bloc are spending a bunch on signage and are far more visible, the Liberals are not spenfding and are not visible. Have the Liberals given up in Quebec?.

Newsflash: Tommy Douglas is still dead. Fire and brimstone evangelism died with him. Your 'higher road' is endorsed by the same number of Canadians who endorse separation. The NDP=the Bloc in popularity.

Mmmmmm.... Nope, not really. Last election, the Bloc got 49% and the Libs got 35% in Quebec- and both parties got proportionate federal funding. But the sign distribution I observed didn't come close to matching that reality. The Quebec ridings had virtually no Liberal signs, virtually no signs other than Bloc. Even in Montreal ridings with Liberal MPs, it seemed that there were many more Bloc signs than any other Party. One interpretation of this is that the Bloc are in a fullcourt press in every riding, and that the Liberals have largely surrendered.

In my opinion, Paul Martin is gone, gone, gone no matter what happens in this election. He is too old, too tired and carries far too much baggage, baggage that continues to grow. Six months, maximum, left for Paul Martin. Frank McKenna is the obvious and likely successor. Quebec is lost to the Liberals for the foreseeable future, so they may as well have an Anglo non-Quebecois that can appeal to the ROC. I still like Brian Tobin as a dark horse. Whoever gets the job is going to inherit an unholy and massive headache in a Quebec that is waving goodbye to Canada, and this time they mean it........

Just back from a couple of weeks in Quebec - in Montreal and Quebec City, and noticed the following about election signage: -there are many more Bloc posters than any other party, in all ridings I was in but particularly in Quebec. They also dominated the billboards, they were the only Party I saw with billboard advertising - many of the non-Bloc signs in Montreal was vandalized or defaced. Even the signs high on poles had been slashed, swatikas added(for the Tory signs), or otherwise damaged. - none of the Liberal signs have the word 'Liberal' on them, or nothing that is visible for passerbys or cars. The Liberal campaign posters have 'les Liberaux de Paul Martin" in tiny letters in the left hand bottom corner. Not possible to read this tiny message from any distance greater than 12 inches away. I think the Bloc will crush the Liberals.

Which means Miller is urging people to vote Liberal. This poor child isn't in the ground yet, and Miller has gone political with her memory. If I were part of her family, I'd spit in his face at the earliest opportunity. Absolutely pathetic.

If Quebec leaves, the question will be: does the rest of Canada carry on as before? I think the answer from the West will be a resounding 'no'. Why would nany of the remaining 8 provinces join a federation that would be even more totally dominated by Ontario? Perhaps this will be an opportunity for us to be forced to think and act more prudently on our future than we have in the past. Perhaps we could create the kind of nation that would be of interest to a republic like Quebec- and wouldn't that be the ultimate irony?

You'd have to be mildly retarded or gullible to an unforgivable degree to believe that Martin had no knowledge of Adscam. I am neither. He could give himself some instant credibility by answering M. Duceppes question of which ridings and which MPs received the money from Adscam. Martin has not done this, and you expect me to believe he will somehow be accountable, and any government he leads will be accountable? Please...... As a citizen I see a lot of my money stolen, and no politicians going to jail for this crime. It is not waste, mismanagement, bad accounting or any of that. It was money stolen from me and directed by Liberal politicians. So far, all Martin has done is make kissy noises and talk. No action, No accountablity. Oh yes, he did decide that somehow the Liberal Party of Canada somehow owed me $1.4 million. And the vast bulk of the money is still gone. And you want citizens to vote for this? Please......

An absolutely astonishing justification for voting Liberal..... On the one hand, we have a government that is demonstrably corrupt and exhausted. On the other, we have an Opposition with no record of either. None at all. Tarred with the same speculative brush. I guess this passes for coherent thought in some of the better crackhouses. BTW, the OP doesn't tell you to vote Tory, nor do his subsequent posts.

The crisis of separation is not fabricated, it is gathering momentum. I agree that the 'American intervention' is fabricated, or rather just a reprise of the strawmen the Liberals seem obliged to create, then do battle with..

Which of your two contradictory statements are you now claiming to be correct? Reserves are not a provincial responsibility, and have nothing to do with Manitobas wellbeing or lack thereof. Frankly, your comments smack of racism.

There are many sources, here is one of them: graph halfway down, note the huge amount, disproportionate to the size of Manitobas economy About 20% of Manitobas annual operating budget is derived from other provinces largesse, despite your claims of prosperity and good government.